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Title: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: 1vertical on March 13, 2011, 04:28:29 PM
I asked the mods for permission to post this and want you all to keep
away from the political ramifications of this other than maybe our government
is doing covert things right, wrong, or otherwise.

This has not been proven but by the same context it has not been disproven either.
That said, if there is a shred of truth in this, what say you?
Watch the one titled "HAARP and Earthquakes"
http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2011/03/japan-tsunami-caused-by-haarp.html (http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2011/03/japan-tsunami-caused-by-haarp.html)

Then if you want more watch Jesse Ventura on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZOt29NR0FY

I propose the question what if the frequency of resonance and it's intensity is enough to trigger these things?
There is data from HAARP signature "ON" times and cycles that correspond eerily to earthquakes.
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: denny on March 13, 2011, 04:33:52 PM
No offense, but it's gonna take a lot more than what's on those websites to sway me....
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: 1vertical on March 13, 2011, 04:48:12 PM
Denny,
you know about frequency and frequency response I am certain....ever thought about
Ultra Low Frequency and it's affects?  There is a LOT of money getting poured into this
antenna array and the power required to fire it up...just sayin....and then I gotta ask WHY?

Edit: and thanks AHA for letting me post this
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: denny on March 13, 2011, 05:57:30 PM
I agree that it raises questions....whether or not those are plausible questions is still in doubt AFAIAC.  I intend to do some more reading, but it's going to have to be something balanced and not alarmist.
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: bluesman on March 13, 2011, 06:53:00 PM
I propose the question what if the frequency of resonance and it's intensity is enough to trigger these things?
There is data from HAARP signature "ON" times and cycles that correspond eerily to earthquakes.

This is a good question. Unfortunately, this is the first time I've known of this theory regarding "frequency of resonance". I'm skepical, until I can see some substantial proof I'm on the fence with it. This is not to say there's a correlation but I want to see some more data to firm up the theory.
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on March 13, 2011, 07:02:05 PM
Earthquakes are random events.  The rocks under stress give in a random fashion, some times you get a 1 on the richter scale, sometimes you get an 8.9. 

It is always easy to give a conspiracy theory the cause.  This means someone is to blame, which is attractive when pain and suffering is involved.  It is hard for humans to accept that all of this is due to random events under the earth.

Have not watched the links.  Let me get out the tin foil...
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: punatic on March 13, 2011, 07:11:23 PM
If you like this kind of stuff you should check out:
Coast To Coast AM with George Noory (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/)

I've been listening to his show for years.  I don't believe any of it, but it is very entertaining sometimes.  They've been talking about HAARP for years.

Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: tubercle on March 13, 2011, 07:14:38 PM
Hmmmm....

 Tubercle doesn't buy it.

  The earth is a big place.

  Even if that HAARP thing is the cause what about the 1886 Charleston earthquake, Krakatoa, punatic's Pele, etc...

 This has been going on a long time and will continue.

 See also: Pangaea.

Let me get out the tin foil...


 "Let me get out the tinfoil"...Ha. That only works against thought rays.
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on March 13, 2011, 07:27:12 PM
If you like this kind of stuff you should check out:
Coast To Coast AM with George Noory (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/)

I've been listening to his show for years.  I don't believe any of it, but it is very entertaining sometimes.  They've been talking about HAARP for years.

Used to listen now and then on long drives for the entertainment value.  That was way back when Art Bell was the host.
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: corkybstewart on March 13, 2011, 09:33:36 PM
As a geologist I can assure you that forces way bigger than those frequency of resonance things are at play here.  Rocks at the depths of these earthquakes are under millions of psi stress and actually behave plastically.  When it builds up enough pressure the fault will slip a little to relieve the pressure and the ground above will rock and roll.  It's been happening since the crust cooled 4.5 billion years ago and will keep happening long after we(all humans) are gone.
The Indonesian earthquake raised a long stretch of the sea floor by about 25' causing the tsunami.  Imagine the earthquakes that happened while the Rockies were being raised to their current height. But of course there was nobody around to witness it but I know it had to be impressive. What we are seeing today is nothing new, but for some reason people seem to accumulate in fault zones, and so we have these major disasters.
Having said that there are 2 places where I think people are causing earthquakes.  In Switzerland and northern California a method to produce geothermal energy has been tried but recently shut down because of earthquake swarms.  2 wells are drilled and the rocks between them are fractured to let the water flow through.  Water is injected in one well and comes back up the other well in the form of steam.  I haven't read any explanation of why it's happening but both areas began to have earthquakes, in Switzerland there were some fairly strong ones in an area that had really not had earthquakes before so the government shut the plant down and as far as I know the earthquake activity subsided.  The link hasn't been proven but why risk it?
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: tubercle on March 13, 2011, 09:47:53 PM
  Imagine the earthquakes that happened while the Rockies were being raised to their current height. But of course there was nobody around to witness it but I know it had to be impressive.

 As I understand it the Appalachian chain was once bigger than that. I bet that was some more ride.
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: a10t2 on March 13, 2011, 11:12:03 PM
So... there are people who think radio waves cause earthquakes? ::)
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: narvin on March 13, 2011, 11:30:13 PM
Paul is dead.
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: tschmidlin on March 13, 2011, 11:39:46 PM
Even if that HAARP thing is the cause what about the 1886 Charleston earthquake, Krakatoa, punatic's Pele, etc...
It's obviously the aliens ::)
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: tubercle on March 13, 2011, 11:45:57 PM
Even if that HAARP thing is the cause what about the 1886 Charleston earthquake, Krakatoa, punatic's Pele, etc...
It's obviously the aliens ::)

 That's Exactly what I'm thinking. Its an experiment to see how we would react.
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: richardt on March 13, 2011, 11:50:52 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/17/guy-earthquake-swarm-arkansas_n_824497.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/17/guy-earthquake-swarm-arkansas_n_824497.html)
Apparently, Arkansas has also been experiencing earthquake swarms.
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: 1vertical on March 14, 2011, 01:36:00 AM
The link hasn't been proven but why risk it?
That was my entire point....why risk it... a billion watts of energy into the ionosphere
how much is that...like several days out put from one generation power station concentrated
into a beam.  Could there be an equal and opposite reaction?
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: a10t2 on March 14, 2011, 01:48:56 AM
a billion watts of energy into the ionosphere
how much is that...like several days out put from one generation power station concentrated
into a beam.

A watt is a unit of power, not energy, so it isn't several days' output from anything. But yes, a billion watts (one gigawatt) is roughly the power output of a modern generating station.

Setting aside the fact that none of these people have any scientific acumen whatsoever, you know how I know this is BS? If there was a shadowy conspiracy willing to kill thousands of people in order to do whatever it is they're doing, why wouldn't they bump off this handful of people on the internet?
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: The Professor on March 14, 2011, 02:59:43 AM
Paul is dead.



What about Elvis? 
This week I  saw him stealing a can of pork 'n beans in the A&P.
OK...I guess it wasn't him.
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: jaybeerman on March 14, 2011, 03:41:35 AM
Paul is dead.

cranberry sauce damn it  ;)
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: punatic on March 14, 2011, 05:42:44 AM
There is a LOT of money getting poured into this
antenna array and the power required to fire it up...just sayin....and then I gotta ask WHY?


Submarine and subterranean ULF communications.
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: pyrite on March 14, 2011, 06:41:49 AM
Having said that there are 2 places where I think people are causing earthquakes.  In Switzerland and northern California a method to produce geothermal energy has been tried but recently shut down because of earthquake swarms.  2 wells are drilled and the rocks between them are fractured to let the water flow through.  Water is injected in one well and comes back up the other well in the form of steam.  I haven't read any explanation of why it's happening but both areas began to have earthquakes, in Switzerland there were some fairly strong ones in an area that had really not had earthquakes before so the government shut the plant down and as far as I know the earthquake activity subsided.  The link hasn't been proven but why risk it?


Interesting...I can't wait for May 21st to roll around now. :D
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: punatic on March 14, 2011, 10:36:58 AM
Interesting...I can't wait for May 21st to roll around now. :D

Aha!  A fellow Coast to Coast AM fan!
Too funny, eh?
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on March 14, 2011, 12:18:32 PM
There is a LOT of money getting poured into this
antenna array and the power required to fire it up...just sayin....and then I gotta ask WHY?
Submarine and subterranean ULF communications.
Before this, there was an antenna array in the UP of MI that was called ELF.  That was an acronym for something like Extra Low Frewquency.  Not as low of a frequency and not as much power as HAARP, so it had limitations in communications with subs. 
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: nicneufeld on March 14, 2011, 02:36:24 PM
On Bootsy Collins' Facebook page he recently mentioned recording with Sly Stone soon.  Maybe the cause is the Space Bass is getting tuned up?
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: 1vertical on March 14, 2011, 02:51:30 PM
On Bootsy Collins' Facebook page he recently mentioned recording with Sly Stone soon.  Maybe the cause is the Space Bass is getting tuned up?
Thats funny nic  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: Tim McManus on March 14, 2011, 03:19:47 PM
It's arrogant of humans to think they have the ability to control the natural world.  We're still struggling even after thousands of years to consistently make the best beer possible.

Oh, and for all those conspiracy theorists:  Hindsight is 20/20.  Tell us exactly when it's going to happen BEFORE it happens.
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: beersk on March 14, 2011, 03:26:09 PM
It's arrogant of humans to think they have the ability to control the natural world.  We're still struggling even after thousands of years to consistently make the best beer possible.

Oh, and for all those conspiracy theorists:  Hindsight is 20/20.  Tell us exactly when it's going to happen BEFORE it happens.

Arrogant, yes, but not out of the question.  Humans have come up with some pretty powerful and life threatening technology.  Humans can and do affect the natural world.  Remember that scene in second Matrix movie where Agent Smith is talking to Morpheus about humans and likening humans to a virus?  They spread to an area, use up all the available resources, them spread to another area or get the resources from another area and use up those resources.  Not unlike a virus, huh?
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: nicneufeld on March 14, 2011, 04:45:58 PM
Remember that scene in second Matrix movie

Now you're trying to undo years of therapy!!!
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: punatic on March 14, 2011, 04:54:57 PM

Oh, and for all those conspiracy theorists:  Hindsight is 20/20.  Tell us exactly when it's going to happen BEFORE it happens.

Hindsight is looking at historic events.  Being able to tell about an event BEFORE it happens is FOREsight.  (grammar police at your service).

The Matrix films are science fiction. 
But, that's what we're discussing here, right?
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: bluesman on March 14, 2011, 04:59:37 PM
On Bootsy Collins' Facebook page he recently mentioned recording with Sly Stone soon.  Maybe the cause is the Space Bass is getting tuned up?

Ahh yes...the space bass!  ;D

Eeeeeeh, watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful, paralyzing, pointing, pachydermous, percussion pitch.

Bugs Bunny
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: Tim McManus on March 14, 2011, 05:28:48 PM

Oh, and for all those conspiracy theorists:  Hindsight is 20/20.  Tell us exactly when it's going to happen BEFORE it happens.

Hindsight is looking at historic events.  Being able to tell about an event BEFORE it happens is FOREsight.  (grammar police at your service).


I think my grammar worked.  What I intended to say is that conspiracy theorists and climate change (formerly known as global warming) advocates are quick to point to past events as evidence to support their theories.  However, they lack any ability to predict that these events will definitely occur in the future at a certain time under certain circumstances.

It all boils down to a very powerful statement by the SEC:  Past performance does not necessarily predict future returns, but it may give you an indication of volatility.
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: maxieboy on March 14, 2011, 05:30:56 PM
If this guy says it's so, it must be!

(http://www.wlct.org/culture/linconline/images/wrestling_jesse.jpg)
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: beersk on March 14, 2011, 05:54:52 PM

Oh, and for all those conspiracy theorists:  Hindsight is 20/20.  Tell us exactly when it's going to happen BEFORE it happens.

Hindsight is looking at historic events.  Being able to tell about an event BEFORE it happens is FOREsight.  (grammar police at your service).


I think my grammar worked.  What I intended to say is that conspiracy theorists and climate change (formerly known as global warming) advocates are quick to point to past events as evidence to support their theories.  However, they lack any ability to predict that these events will definitely occur in the future at a certain time under certain circumstances.

It all boils down to a very powerful statement by the SEC:  Past performance does not necessarily predict future returns, but it may give you an indication of volatility.
Well, history does tend to repeat itself.
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: 1vertical on March 14, 2011, 06:06:52 PM
I personally equate the global warming advocates with ecological agenda minded folks more
than conspiracy theorists. I see how perhaps there is a grey area but reserve the right to maintain the
thought pattern that consipracy theorists are somehow a different breed.
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: punatic on March 14, 2011, 07:00:53 PM
I personally equate the global warming advocates with ecological agenda minded folks more
than conspiracy theorists. I see how perhaps there is a grey area but reserve the right to maintain the
thought pattern that consipracy theorists are somehow a different breed.

I've been warned by the administrator not to write about this topic,  Meteorology and hydrology are fields I have been trained in and practice in.
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: Tim McManus on March 14, 2011, 08:31:56 PM
I personally equate the global warming advocates with ecological agenda minded folks more
than conspiracy theorists. I see how perhaps there is a grey area but reserve the right to maintain the
thought pattern that consipracy theorists are somehow a different breed.

It might be the scientist in me, but I always fall back on the premise that real science is about observation and prediction.  In most of these discussions you rarely see the words "hypothesis" and "theory".  Everybody has data and statistics, but very few can leverage those things to build a predictable model.

Meteorologists and geologists have very challenging issues with predictability in their respective fields.  The systems they observe are so fantastically dynamic that it's very challenging to collect enough data to build a predictable model.

I guess since this thread had a mention of geology, conspiracy theorists, and humans being able to acutely affect nature that I lumped them all together.  I was trying more to demonstrate that these folks are quick to point fingers but lack any ability to predict.  So when they say a giant hornking magnet created earthquakes that happened in the past, then it should be assumed that they could predict the same result each time.  Unfortunately, that's not usually the case.

Oh, and I didn't know the admins were silencing the meteorologists on the boards!  :)  I guess I won't say anything more.   ;D  It's probably a conspiracy!
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: denny on March 14, 2011, 08:52:11 PM
Oh, and I didn't know the admins were silencing the meteorologists on the boards!  :)

Only if it's leading to a political discussion.
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: chumley on March 14, 2011, 09:00:55 PM
HAARP is too busy with weather modification and poisoning the midwest with chemtrails to bother with inducing earthquakes...
Title: Re: Recent Earthquakes caused by Experimentation?
Post by: elauren on March 19, 2011, 02:18:40 AM
I have also read of this news in one of the search engines and it would be hard to move and make me believe of such accusations.  I mean, yes you could provide evidences that it could be caused by such but i do believe that more powerful forces are at work here and not just some radio waves you captured on video.