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Title: Best material to build potable water hose?
Post by: Pinski on March 31, 2011, 07:15:20 PM
Need to build a potable water hose for the all grain set up in the garage.  What is the best material to use considering safety, health and taste? 
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Post by: hamiltont on March 31, 2011, 07:19:13 PM
I use an RV Hose.  Cheers!!!
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Post by: corkybstewart on March 31, 2011, 07:32:36 PM
PEX is great and not too difficult to use.
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Post by: denny on March 31, 2011, 07:33:14 PM
PEX is great and not too difficult to use.

Expensive compared to an RV hose, though.
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Post by: tumarkin on March 31, 2011, 07:33:52 PM
+1 on the RV hose. Sometimes HD or Lowes have white hoses specifically marked for drinking water.
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Post by: tschmidlin on March 31, 2011, 07:34:06 PM
Yeah, I got a potable water hose at Home Depot.  Not this one, but something similar.

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100175856/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

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Post by: corkybstewart on March 31, 2011, 07:58:45 PM
Yeah, I got a potable water hose at Home Depot.  Not this one, but something similar.

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100175856/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

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I'm probably just stupid but I couldn't find a price on that link.   I had to buy one over here and it was around $12 for a ten foot hose.
Title: Re: Best material to build potable water hose?
Post by: tschmidlin on March 31, 2011, 08:03:33 PM
Yeah, I got a potable water hose at Home Depot.  Not this one, but something similar.

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100175856/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

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I'm probably just stupid but I couldn't find a price on that link.   I had to buy one over here and it was around $12 for a ten foot hose.
That's a 25' hose and it told me it was $13.  I might have a cookie that links me to my local store though, and it said it's not for sale online.
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Post by: blatz on March 31, 2011, 08:16:53 PM
you could also just buy a barbed hose attachment and clamp some siphon tubing on it, if you wanted to be super-ghetto - I think a barbed hose threaded attachment is ~$4 and then a worm clamp plus however many feet of 1/2" siphon tubing you need - maybe 5'?  <$7 total.
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Post by: Pinski on March 31, 2011, 08:19:41 PM
Nice! Thirteen bucks is worth not having to build it up. Thanks for the links!
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Post by: phillamb168 on April 04, 2011, 01:22:02 PM
Having just used a garden hose myself to top off the HLT, are there downsides other than potential infection in using hose water?

I mean, when I was a kid, we drank from the hose all the time, and I ended up alrightBAHDUCKSEVERYWHEREPURPLESHINYTHINGS
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Post by: Hokerer on April 04, 2011, 02:28:27 PM
Having just used a garden hose myself to top off the HLT, are there downsides other than potential infection in using hose water?

I mean, when I was a kid, we drank from the hose all the time, and I ended up alrightBAHDUCKSEVERYWHEREPURPLESHINYTHINGS

We did the same thing as kids and, maybe you don't remember it, but the water coming out definitely had a strong "hosey" taste.  That taste could end up being nasty in beer.
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Post by: tschmidlin on April 04, 2011, 04:14:44 PM
My first all-grain batch I filled the HLT with a garden hose, because I was boiling it to get rid of the chlorine anyway.  The mash tun was filled with brita filtered water from the tap.  The batch tasted like garden hose, it ended up down the drain.  My second batch I had a food grade hose.
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Post by: phillamb168 on April 05, 2011, 08:04:41 AM
My first all-grain batch I filled the HLT with a garden hose, because I was boiling it to get rid of the chlorine anyway.  The mash tun was filled with brita filtered water from the tap.  The batch tasted like garden hose, it ended up down the drain.  My second batch I had a food grade hose.

Hopefully since I only added a couple liters it should be ok. We'll see... Either way I'll drink it, nothing can be worse than my last batch of "apricot" IPA with too much artificial flavoring. Blech.

Can food-grade hose stay outside? I.e., can I use it for my garden hose?
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Post by: tschmidlin on April 05, 2011, 08:18:54 AM
As far as I know, yes, you can use a food grade hose for a garden hose.  It might be more susceptible to UV light than a regular garden hose though, that might be my biggest concern.  There is a 25' food-grade hose for sale at Home Depot in the US for ~$13, that's worth keeping separate as far as I'm concerned.  But it's not sold online and I don't know what I would cost in France.

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100175856/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
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Post by: rlshep on April 05, 2011, 12:32:36 PM
-1 on the RV hose. Mine gave me a weird chemical off-flavor that took forever to find because I broke the rule of only changing one thing at a time.
Title: Re: Best material to build potable water hose?
Post by: Pinski on April 05, 2011, 05:17:54 PM
OK, let's be more specific.  When you say RV hose, was said hose medical/food grade vinyl?  I'm assuming there are various grades of "RV hose" but I'm concerned about this issue as well. Tempted to find 3/4 or 5/8" silicone hose build my own dammit.
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Post by: tschmidlin on April 05, 2011, 07:16:14 PM
When I got mine, I got it by the foot from HD and added the hose fittings at each end.  It doesn't look like the RV hose, it's clear with reinforcement running through it.
Title: Re: Best material to build potable water hose?
Post by: Will's Swill on April 06, 2011, 01:11:01 AM
I bought this one from Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Camco-22743-TastePURE-Drinking-Water/dp/B0006JLSNI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1302051905&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Camco-22743-TastePURE-Drinking-Water/dp/B0006JLSNI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1302051905&sr=8-1)

I love it, no off flavors even in Pils.  I would buy longer though, you can never go wrong with a longer hose.

Now let me ask, does anyone have a source for lead-free, food-grade garden hose fittings (valves, tees, etc.)?  I'm succumbing to media brainwashing and starting not to trust my faithful brass fittings...
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Post by: weazletoe on April 06, 2011, 02:09:09 AM
If you are looking for something like, hard plumb it and leave it, CPVC is great. Dirt cheap, and you could train a monkey to put it in for you.
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Post by: bluesman on April 06, 2011, 02:14:47 AM
Yea...nothing like the aroma of a good garden hose coming from your beer. Yucchh  ;)

White potable water hose should do the trick. I have a couple reels of them in my RV and plan to start using one with my new water filter.
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Post by: Pinski on April 06, 2011, 05:26:15 PM
From looking into this more around the net I've seen some systems where guys are using the "white HD or Lowes" RV & Boat medical grade potable water hose ($12.00) and slapping a Whirlpool House filter on it.  I like this idea.  Think what I'll do is this; when I get to the brewery I'll hook up the RV & Boat hose that I bought (still in the packaging) and fill a nice frosty glass full and take a taste.  If it tastes fine, no worries; proceed as planned.  If it's just a little bit funky, I'll invest in the filter.
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Post by: tschmidlin on April 06, 2011, 05:27:18 PM
Run a little water on to the ground first just to make sure it is cleaned out. :)
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Post by: Kirk on April 07, 2011, 02:30:32 PM
I've always used a regular hose, never had a problem, just run some water through it first, no smell, tastes good.  You guys are making me paranoid. :)
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Post by: jeffy on April 07, 2011, 02:53:15 PM
I've always used a regular hose, never had a problem, just run some water through it first, no smell, tastes good.  You guys are making me paranoid. :)
Me, too.  No smell from my hose.  I've been using it for years.  It isn't the skinner vinyl looking type, though.
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Post by: Beer Monger on April 07, 2011, 02:56:36 PM
I've always used a regular hose, never had a problem, just run some water through it first, no smell, tastes good.  You guys are making me paranoid. :)

Same here, but this thread has me wanting to go buy an RV hose!  lol
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Post by: maxieboy on April 07, 2011, 03:04:05 PM
I've always used a regular hose, never had a problem, just run some water through it first, no smell, tastes good.  You guys are making me paranoid. :)

+1 As a matter of fact, I just bought then returned a "RV" hose because it smelled way too vinyly... The directions said to flush before using, the same thing I do with my current hose!
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Post by: Beer Monger on April 07, 2011, 03:13:50 PM
I've always used a regular hose, never had a problem, just run some water through it first, no smell, tastes good.  You guys are making me paranoid. :)

+1 As a matter of fact, I just bought then returned a "RV" hose because it smelled way too vinyly... The directions said to flush before using, the same thing I do with my current hose!

Now I'm torn.  Do I switch or not?  I haven't noticed any 'hose' type flavor or aroma in any of my beers. 
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Post by: Will's Swill on April 09, 2011, 04:49:25 PM
I thought garden hoses leached lead, too?  Isn't that why you see the special vegetable and pet outdoor hoses?  Or perhaps that's just marketing FUD?
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Post by: Beer Monger on April 10, 2011, 02:09:55 PM
I'm thinking of picking up THIS (http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-202210362/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053) hose.

It's lead free & has a bacteria/mold inhibitor. 

Good choice?  Thoughts? 
Title: Re: Best material to build potable water hose?
Post by: Will's Swill on April 10, 2011, 03:57:00 PM
Could be a good one, but I wonder if it will impart any taste?

And I'll try my question again, anyone know where to get lead-free hose fittings?
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Post by: Beer Monger on April 10, 2011, 04:11:05 PM
Could be a good one, but I wonder if it will impart any taste?

And I'll try my question again, anyone know where to get lead-free hose fittings?
What makes you think it would impart any off tastes?  It's lead free and has a bacterial/mold inhibitor. 

Not sure about your hose fittings question - though I see many hoses listed as having stainless steel fittings (but those fittings are already attached to the hose being sold). 
Title: Re: Best material to build potable water hose?
Post by: tschmidlin on April 11, 2011, 05:36:00 AM
Could be a good one, but I wonder if it will impart any taste?

And I'll try my question again, anyone know where to get lead-free hose fittings?
What makes you think it would impart any off tastes?  It's lead free and has a bacterial/mold inhibitor. 

Not sure about your hose fittings question - though I see many hoses listed as having stainless steel fittings (but those fittings are already attached to the hose being sold). 
"Drinking Water Safe - use to fill pools, bird baths and water for your animals."

It doesn't say you'll want to drink out of it.  I don't worry about mold or bacteria in my fill hose as long as the water tastes good coming out, it all gets boiled anyway.
Title: Re: Best material to build potable water hose?
Post by: Beer Monger on April 11, 2011, 01:24:30 PM
Could be a good one, but I wonder if it will impart any taste?

And I'll try my question again, anyone know where to get lead-free hose fittings?
What makes you think it would impart any off tastes?  It's lead free and has a bacterial/mold inhibitor. 

Not sure about your hose fittings question - though I see many hoses listed as having stainless steel fittings (but those fittings are already attached to the hose being sold). 
"Drinking Water Safe - use to fill pools, bird baths and water for your animals."

It doesn't say you'll want to drink out of it.  I don't worry about mold or bacteria in my fill hose as long as the water tastes good coming out, it all gets boiled anyway.

So... are you saying you think that hose will do, or would you suggerst something different?  I need 25 feet at minimum, considering where my water spigot is in relation to my garage (where I brew). 
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Post by: bluesman on April 11, 2011, 01:39:10 PM
The bottom line is "does the water taste good" coming out of the hose. Do a blind tasting with some tap water, filtered water and hose water. The taste difference should stand out IMO.
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Post by: Beer Monger on April 11, 2011, 01:40:42 PM
The bottom line is "does the water taste good" coming out of the hose. Do a blind tasting with some tap water, filtered water and hose water. The taste difference should stand out IMO.
That can be difficult w/o buying the hose first - and then if it tastes bad... you've arleady bought it. 

As you can tell, I haven't reached the point yet of messing with my water chemistry.  I brew with what comes out of my tap. 
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Post by: bluesman on April 11, 2011, 01:43:36 PM
The bottom line is "does the water taste good" coming out of the hose. Do a blind tasting with some tap water, filtered water and hose water. The taste difference should stand out IMO.
That can be difficult w/o buying the hose first - and then if it tastes bad... you've arleady bought it. 

As you can tell, I haven't reached the point yet of messing with my water chemistry.  I brew with what comes out of my tap. 

Perhaps that's the chance you must take in order to answer the question. No risk...no reward.   ;)  :)
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Post by: Beer Monger on April 11, 2011, 01:45:24 PM
The bottom line is "does the water taste good" coming out of the hose. Do a blind tasting with some tap water, filtered water and hose water. The taste difference should stand out IMO.
That can be difficult w/o buying the hose first - and then if it tastes bad... you've arleady bought it. 

As you can tell, I haven't reached the point yet of messing with my water chemistry.  I brew with what comes out of my tap. 

Perhaps that's the chance you must take in order to answer the question. No risk...no reward.   ;)  :)

Well, I'm gonna find a better solution than spending $50 on a hose I might not be able to use.

What hoses do you all use?  Perhaps post some links of what hose you bought/use and how well it works for you(?)
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Post by: denny on April 11, 2011, 03:37:37 PM
What hoses do you all use?  Perhaps post some links of what hose you bought/use and how well it works for you(?)

I use a generic RV hose....3 of them, in effect. 
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Post by: tschmidlin on April 11, 2011, 05:07:59 PM
My issue with it is that it is a garden hose.  It is "drinking water safe", but safe doesn't mean it tastes good.  Get something that is labeled "odorless and tasteless", you'll be happier I think.  I was anyway.  I cant find the one that I got at HD on their website, it is clear with reinforcements running through it.  I need to go anyway, I'll see if they still have it.  You can get something like this if you can find fittings for the smaller diameter.

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100186093/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
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Post by: Beer Monger on April 11, 2011, 05:12:24 PM
My issue with it is that it is a garden hose.  It is "drinking water safe", but safe doesn't mean it tastes good.  Get something that is labeled "odorless and tasteless", you'll be happier I think.  I was anyway.  I cant find the one that I got at HD on their website, it is clear with reinforcements running through it.  I need to go anyway, I'll see if they still have it.  You can get something like this if you can find fittings for the smaller diameter.

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100186093/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

OK.  Thanks Tom.  I guess I need to keep looking (or go see what they have at Home Depot).  I guess Polyethylene is what I need - since it's rated as odorless & tasteless. 
Title: Re: Best material to build potable water hose?
Post by: Pinski on April 11, 2011, 05:38:26 PM
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100175856/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053 (http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100175856/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053)
This is the one I picked up at Home Depot for $13.00.  I'll give it a taste this weekend and report back.  If this doesn't work out I'll build my own.
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Post by: Beer Monger on April 11, 2011, 05:59:13 PM
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100175856/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053 (http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100175856/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053)
This is the one I picked up at Home Depot for $13.00.  I'll give it a taste this weekend and report back.  If this doesn't work out I'll build my own.

Thanks.  I'll be interested to read what you think...
Title: Re: Best material to build potable water hose?
Post by: Pinski on April 25, 2011, 04:17:52 AM
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100175856/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053 (http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100175856/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053)
This is the one I picked up at Home Depot for $13.00.  I'll give it a taste this weekend and report back.  If this doesn't work out I'll build my own.

Thanks.  I'll be interested to read what you think...

I finally had a chance to test out this hose for off flavors this weekend. I flushed with hot water then cold, poured a tall glass and thought it tasted fine. Assistant agrees so it shall remain in the inventory.
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Post by: realbeerguy on April 25, 2011, 02:29:38 PM
From looking into this more around the net I've seen some systems where guys are using the "white HD or Lowes" RV & Boat medical grade potable water hose ($12.00) and slapping a Whirlpool House filter on it.  I like this idea.  Think what I'll do is this; when I get to the brewery I'll hook up the RV & Boat hose that I bought (still in the packaging) and fill a nice frosty glass full and take a taste.  If it tastes fine, no worries; proceed as planned.  If it's just a little bit funky, I'll invest in the filter.

I've had this dedicated brewing set up for over 6 years.  Replace filter once a year.
Title: Re: Best material to build potable water hose?
Post by: Beer Monger on April 25, 2011, 02:50:06 PM
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100175856/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053 (http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100175856/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053)
This is the one I picked up at Home Depot for $13.00.  I'll give it a taste this weekend and report back.  If this doesn't work out I'll build my own.

Thanks.  I'll be interested to read what you think...

I finally had a chance to test out this hose for off flavors this weekend. I flushed with hot water then cold, poured a tall glass and thought it tasted fine. Assistant agrees so it shall remain in the inventory.

OK.  Thanks for the report.  I'll have to get 2, since I need 50', but at least they're cheap. 
Title: Re: Best material to build potable water hose?
Post by: Pinski on April 25, 2011, 10:55:33 PM
Yeah, and the other thing I noticed about this hose was that it was really easy to "work" with. I picked up a $10, 50' made of another material for the discharge line and what a pain in the keister this thing was to coil.  I'll be picking up another one of the RV/boat potable 25' for $12. 
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Post by: tubercle on April 26, 2011, 12:03:17 AM
I just now caught this thread.

 Tubercle uses a 20 year old hose pipe with no smell or taste. It must be all flushed out by now.

 And "hose pipe" is not a typo. In S.C. the term "garden hose" is used as a Yankee detector. Just like folks that cook on a "barbeque" instead of a grill.

 Lesson in southern dialect over.