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Title: AHA Pub Discounts - What a letdown (For WA).
Post by: Beer Monger on April 01, 2011, 07:27:09 PM
If you can believe it, with the sole exception of the chain brewery-restaurant Gordon Biersch, there is not a single brewery/brewpub in WA State that participates in the AHA Pub Discount program! 

That really sucks - especially in a state with so many great breweries and so many homebrewers. 

I wonder if the AHA has put any effort into educating WA breweries/brewpubs about the program(?)  Would they be interested in paying a part-time person to perform this 'sales' type of task?  I'm willing.......  It's just so sad to me that there are NONE in WA!  :( 
Title: Re: AHA Pub Discounts - What a letdown (For WA).
Post by: tumarkin on April 01, 2011, 07:30:47 PM
I believe there's some state law in WA that prohibits discounts of this type. I'm sure Tom or someone will give the specifics.
Title: Re: AHA Pub Discounts - What a letdown (For WA).
Post by: Beer Monger on April 01, 2011, 07:43:54 PM
I believe there's some state law in WA that prohibits discounts of this type. I'm sure Tom or someone will give the specifics.

Discounts are OK.  It's free that isn't.  For example, a pub I go to a lot by my work has a punch card.  Buy 9 beers and the 10th one is .50 cents (Can't be free but can be discounted). 

Also, as I said, Gordon Biersch does it here in WA......
Title: Re: AHA Pub Discounts - What a letdown (For WA).
Post by: theDarkSide on April 01, 2011, 07:55:13 PM
Same here in NH.  Basically it is the Portmouth Brewery ( good discount - use it a lot ).  Moonlight Meadery just joined in with a discount in their retail shop.

I think with the limited resources, the AHA kind of counts on the members to talk to their local breweries to get them interested in the program.  I believe Kathryn Porter is in charge of this ( or at least she was a couple years ago when I asked her at a rally ).
Title: Re: AHA Pub Discounts - What a letdown (For WA).
Post by: denny on April 01, 2011, 07:58:26 PM
I think with the limited resources, the AHA kind of counts on the members to talk to their local breweries to get them interested in the program.  I believe Kathryn Porter is in charge of this ( or at least she was a couple years ago when I asked her at a rally ).


Right on both counts.  We try to get breweries interested, but it's really the members in the location that convince them to get on board.  And IIRC, it is some legal issue that keeps WA breweries from participating.  I'll try to find out if that's correct.
Title: Re: AHA Pub Discounts - What a letdown (For WA).
Post by: Beer Monger on April 01, 2011, 07:59:46 PM
I think with the limited resources, the AHA kind of counts on the members to talk to their local breweries to get them interested in the program.  I believe Kathryn Porter is in charge of this ( or at least she was a couple years ago when I asked her at a rally ).


Right on both counts.  We try to get breweries interested, but it's really the members in the location that convince them to get on board.  And IIRC, it is some legal issue that keeps WA breweries from participating.  I'll try to find out if that's correct.

Unless I'm missing something in my state laws, I don't think so.  Like I said, Gordon Biersch does participate in the program in WA state, but they are the ONLY ones.  :( 
Title: Re: AHA Pub Discounts - What a letdown (For WA).
Post by: denny on April 01, 2011, 08:00:50 PM
I emailed Kate and asked her to comment when she has a chance.  She'll know.
Title: Re: AHA Pub Discounts - What a letdown (For WA).
Post by: Beer Monger on April 01, 2011, 08:03:45 PM
I emailed Kate and asked her to comment when she has a chance.  She'll know.
Cool. Thanks, Denny.  :) 
Title: Re: AHA Pub Discounts - What a letdown (For WA).
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 01, 2011, 08:12:10 PM
Maybe Kate can give more information on what the law says.
The .pdf says this for WA.
WASHINGTON
Washington state alcohol regulations currently
prohibit the Brewers Association from
promoting Washington businesses that
participate in the Pub Discount Program and
in most cases prohibit Washington breweries
from participating in the program.

http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/attachments/0000/4858/PDPwDiscountsJuly2010.pdf
Title: Re: AHA Pub Discounts - What a letdown (For WA).
Post by: Beer Monger on April 01, 2011, 08:25:16 PM
Maybe Kate can give more information on what the law says.
The .pdf says this for WA.
WASHINGTON
Washington state alcohol regulations currently
prohibit the Brewers Association from
promoting Washington businesses that
participate in the Pub Discount Program and
in most cases prohibit Washington breweries
from participating in the program.

http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/attachments/0000/4858/PDPwDiscountsJuly2010.pdf

Bummer, but thank you for finding the info! 

I'll have to start lobying......  ;)
Title: Re: AHA Pub Discounts - What a letdown (For WA).
Post by: tschmidlin on April 01, 2011, 08:57:59 PM
We've been working with Gary on this issue for a while, as in several years.  Since before we passed SB5060 and got the homebrew law changed.  We might have an angle that can get it worked out for us, but it's been a real challenge. :(
Title: Re: AHA Pub Discounts - What a letdown (For WA).
Post by: KathrynPorter on April 01, 2011, 10:17:12 PM
Hey everyone - there are laws in WA that prevent us from promoting breweries or beer bars that want to participate in the Pub Discount Program.

It is my understanding that the WA Liquor Control Board decided that any WA company with a Retail License can’t offer discounts to one group of people, like AHA members, if that discount isn't available to everyone.

Here’s the explanation we use:
Washington state alcohol regulations currently prohibit the Brewers Association from promoting Washington businesses that participate in the Pub Discount Program and in most cases prohibit Washington breweries from participating in the program.

We have hoped to establish something that would allow breweries without a Retail License to offer discounts and have not been able to get confirmation from the Washing Liquor Control Board to make that a reality.

Further, I'd like to apologize for the listing that claims Gordon Biersch - Seattle is a participant in the program. We've just recently had a database transition and I'm not quite show how that listing happened. It should come down tomorrow when our overnight routine refreshes the list.

Lastly, the pdf highlighted in an earlier post is out of date. Please use the online PDP directory for the most up-to-date list of participants. Changes happen all the time and that's the best place for information. http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/pages/directories/find-a-pub-discount (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/pages/directories/find-a-pub-discount)

Thanks to everyone who chimed in on the topic. Have a great weekend!!

Cheers,
Kate
Title: Re: AHA Pub Discounts - What a letdown (For WA).
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 02, 2011, 12:05:39 AM
Kate thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: AHA Pub Discounts - What a letdown (For WA).
Post by: ccarlson on April 02, 2011, 12:59:00 AM
Support your local pub and pay full prices. They need your help.
Title: Re: AHA Pub Discounts - What a letdown (For WA).
Post by: colinhayes on April 05, 2011, 03:22:10 AM
Move to Chicago!  We get 20% off everything at Goose Island, and 10% off ingredients at the homebrew store.
Title: Re: AHA Pub Discounts - What a letdown (For WA).
Post by: boulderbrewer on April 05, 2011, 04:01:03 AM
The state of Wii is limited but the beer is worth paying full price in most places.
Title: Re: AHA Pub Discounts - What a letdown (For WA).
Post by: theDarkSide on April 05, 2011, 12:11:50 PM
Move to Chicago!  We get 20% off everything at Goose Island,

Hopefully you get to keep that.
Title: Re: AHA Pub Discounts - What a letdown (For WA).
Post by: colinhayes on April 05, 2011, 08:23:53 PM
Hopefully you get to keep that.

The pubs aren't part of the deal.  AFAIK, they've been independent of Fulton St. for a while.
Title: Re: AHA Pub Discounts - What a letdown (For WA).
Post by: Mark G on April 05, 2011, 11:19:25 PM
Move to Chicago!  We get 20% off everything at Goose Island, and 10% off ingredients at the homebrew store.
Which homebrew shop is offering 10% off? edit: Nevermind, I see on the AHA directory that Brew & Grow is offering that. Unfortunately, they're not really near me.
Title: Re: AHA Pub Discounts - What a letdown (For WA).
Post by: colinhayes on April 06, 2011, 07:35:45 PM
Nevermind, I see on the AHA directory that Brew & Grow is offering that. Unfortunately, they're not really near me.

fortunately for me, they're the only one within any reasonable distance.  Surprising that there aren't more in the city.  Brew & Grow is the only one.