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Title: Dumping Beer
Post by: ckpash88 on April 08, 2011, 08:28:14 AM
So mt question is this. Is it against brew code or anger the brew gods to dump homebrew? Should I feel guilty about dumping beer? Under what circumstabces is it alright?
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: phillamb168 on April 08, 2011, 09:41:59 AM
I just dumped about 3 gallons of homebrew because while it was "drinkable" it was certainly not enjoyable. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. If you don't like it, don't force yourself to drink it, because then it goes from being an enjoyable hobby to An Annoying Commitment.
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: tygo on April 08, 2011, 10:25:38 AM
If it's bad then you might want to dump it.  You can always brew up another batch.  On the other hand, sometimes all a beer needs is a little more time.  Don't dump prematurely.

Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: tumarkin on April 08, 2011, 10:39:37 AM
back when I earned my living as a potter, I was told not to worry about breaking something. after all, it's only mud. you might say, hey it's only beer. but....... as said, don't dump prematurely. there are many stories about beer that was 'undrinkable' but given time turned out not just drinkable but fantastic. give it time, you may be pleasantly surprised what happens.
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: majorvices on April 08, 2011, 10:43:59 AM
There's no shame in dumping beer. The shame is in drinking bad beer or trying to pawn it off on someone else. Even beer that is not infected can turn out bad, failed experiments in techniques and ingredients and such. As denny likes to quote "you only have one liver, destroy it wisely."
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: ckpash88 on April 08, 2011, 10:51:42 AM
What I also meant do you have any superstitions? Any humorous view points on hr subjectr

I have had no problem dumping in the past.

you can only polish a turd for so long. eventually you'll realize it's just a nice looking piece of poo
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: oscarvan on April 08, 2011, 11:37:11 AM
You can always put it in a soda bottle and give it to the town bum.....
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: bluesman on April 08, 2011, 12:18:45 PM
I had to dump a whole carboy of soured beer many moons ago and it was painful but I learned a valuable lesson from it. They grow malt, hops and yeast everyday...so it's time to learn from your mistake and brew more beer. The beer gods will be happy.  8)
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: gordonstrong on April 08, 2011, 12:34:02 PM
Just like the leading reason in Texas for murder is "needed killing" [I'm serious; I heard this on the radio once], the leading reason for dumping beer is "needed dumping."  If you're not going to drink it and don't feel that it's good enough to let other people drink, then by all means dump it.  Otherwise, it's just taking up serving space that could be used for good beer.

No shame in dumping beer that needs to be dumped.  Didn't you watch "Brewmasters"?
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: dbeechum on April 08, 2011, 12:50:25 PM
When I dump beer (mostly due to age issues cause I can't drink nearly as much of it as I brew) - I say a little prayer to each of the barley husks that I shredded to make that beer. I thank the rain drops that fell tear like to eventually wind up in my kettle. I thank the hops for surviving downy mildew to become the bite of my brew. I thank the gluttonous little bastard yeast cells who spored, burped and peed in my suds.

And then I spray the keg out with hot water and go about my business.

Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: richardt on April 08, 2011, 12:55:56 PM
When I dump beer (mostly due to age issues cause I can't drink nearly as much of it as I brew) - I say a little prayer to each of the barley husks that I shredded to make that beer. I thank the rain drops that fell tear like to eventually wind up in my kettle. I thank the hops for surviving downy mildew to become the bite of my brew. I thank the gluttonous little bastard yeast cells who spored, burped and peed in my suds.

And then I spray the keg out with hot water and go about my business.



Do you face East when you do this? ;)
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: bluesman on April 08, 2011, 01:44:57 PM
When I dump beer (mostly due to age issues cause I can't drink nearly as much of it as I brew) - I say a little prayer to each of the barley husks that I shredded to make that beer. I thank the rain drops that fell tear like to eventually wind up in my kettle. I thank the hops for surviving downy mildew to become the bite of my brew. I thank the gluttonous little bastard yeast cells who spored, burped and peed in my suds.

And then I spray the keg out with hot water and go about my business.



Do you face East when you do this? ;)

I was going to ask if incense and holy beer was administered to bless the beer during it's last rights before it passes on to be judged by the almighty beer Gods.  ;)
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: phillamb168 on April 08, 2011, 02:01:59 PM
When I dump beer (mostly due to age issues cause I can't drink nearly as much of it as I brew) - I say a little prayer to each of the barley husks that I shredded to make that beer. I thank the rain drops that fell tear like to eventually wind up in my kettle. I thank the hops for surviving downy mildew to become the bite of my brew. I thank the gluttonous little bastard yeast cells who spored, burped and peed in my suds.

And then I spray the keg out with hot water and go about my business.



Do you face East when you do this? ;)

I was going to ask if incense and holy beer was administered to bless the beer during it's last rights before it passes on to be judged by the almighty beer Gods.  ;)

Sorry dude, submission deadline was a few weeks ago. Judging's already over! Try again next year. And don't forget the beer gods don't accept 750ml submissions.
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: beersk on April 08, 2011, 02:30:37 PM
You can always put it in a soda bottle and give it to the town bum.....
I've done something similar to this before.  I had some beer that turned out slightly off, I didn't want to drink it.  It wasn't horrible or anything.  But I have a friend who just gets by with his job, buys cheap ass crappy beer to get drunk.  So I gave him some of mine that I didn't want.  He was very appreciative, thought it was good.  Like Keith said, there's some shame in giving your bad beer away, but it worked out well for everyone in this case.
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: Wheat_Brewer on April 08, 2011, 02:38:12 PM
When I dump beer (mostly due to age issues cause I can't drink nearly as much of it as I brew) - I say a little prayer to each of the barley husks that I shredded to make that beer. I thank the rain drops that fell tear like to eventually wind up in my kettle. I thank the hops for surviving downy mildew to become the bite of my brew. I thank the gluttonous little bastard yeast cells who spored, burped and peed in my suds.

And then I spray the keg out with hot water and go about my business.



Do you face East when you do this? ;)

I believe you face the brew kettle, wack it like a gong with your mash paddle 3 times then end with "relax, don't worry, have a homebrew". 
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: dbeechum on April 08, 2011, 02:54:56 PM
I was going to ask if incense and holy beer was administered...

Actually, the incense is used during the brewing process itself.

Not kidding... I burn a stick of prayer incense every time I start a batch of brew. No particular reason except I have an imperial assload of it and now it's a tradition.
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: denny on April 08, 2011, 03:09:31 PM
So mt question is this. Is it against brew code or anger the brew gods to dump homebrew? Should I feel guilty about dumping beer? Under what circumstabces is it alright?

Of course it's all right to dump it.  I've dumped batches that went off.  I've dumped batches I just didn't like...like a with that I had around for 9 months before deciding that I just didn't enjoy it.  The idea behind brewing is to enjoy what you do and what you make.  If you have to force yourself to drink something, you're negating the reason you brew.
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: majorvices on April 08, 2011, 03:23:30 PM
What I also meant do you have any superstitions? Any humorous view points on hr subjectr

I have had no problem dumping in the past.

you can only polish a turd for so long. eventually you'll realize it's just a nice looking piece of poo

The only requirement is find a creative way to dump
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/41/97290800_59af405df5_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: ckpash88 on April 08, 2011, 03:37:25 PM
That is a awesome way to get rid of it lol.

reminds me of a batch of rootbeer i made last year. I made it with champagne yeast and totally forgot about them until one exploded in the closet so we took all of them and were throwing them against the ground some exploded and sounded like dry ice bombs and the others took off like estes rockets. I have video
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: Hokerer on April 08, 2011, 03:48:30 PM
Gives new meaning to the term "Bottle Rockets" :)
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: uthristy on April 08, 2011, 05:02:37 PM
There's no shame in dumping beer. The shame is in drinking bad beer or trying to pawn it off on someone else. Even beer that is not infected can turn out bad, failed experiments in techniques and ingredients and such. As denny likes to quote "you only have one liver, destroy it wisely."

What he said!

I just had my first dumping in such a longtime I can't recall the last time.

Note to self, a sour saison is hard to make taste good, melting your tongue & teeth with nail polish is not  good beer.
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: chumley on April 08, 2011, 05:43:56 PM
Last month I dumped around 20 gallons of infected beer from 4 kegs.  Most were several years old.  I just couldn't brin myself to dump them....I tasted each one before making the decision.  Now I have lots of clean empty kegs.  :)

A fifth keg, a sour baltic porter from 2006...actually tasted quite good.  So I am calling it "18th century London porter" now, and it is a classic.   ;)

Regarding giving it to bums....many years ago, I bought a couple of flats of Concord grapes from the farmers market, and made a pyment with them.  The resulting beverage tasted like Welch's grape juice spiked with Everclear.  Yuck.

I took a case of it down to a local park that is near the homeless shelter, where bums are often found.  I left a note in the box that read:  "Homemade wine.  I don't like it, but thought someone with a thirst might."  When I drove by the park later that day, the case was gone.
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: euge on April 08, 2011, 06:13:48 PM
There's nothing wrong with dumping. Wise to wait but eventually one has to make a decision. Don't like it? Out like yesterday's bad news.
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: denny on April 08, 2011, 06:24:39 PM
A fifth keg, a sour baltic porter from 2006...actually tasted quite good.  So I am calling it "18th century London porter" now, and it is a classic.   ;)

Now that's pragmatic!
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: jaybeerman on April 08, 2011, 06:56:19 PM
yes, first rule is don't dump a beer before it makes it all the way through fermentation.  second rule, if it's bad go ahead and dump it, as long as you know what went wrong (otherwise drink it until you figure out the issue or issues).  there's always the option to use the "measure twice, cut once" mentality (i.e. do your research, read up first then brew) but then you'd be a "grumpy" (anal) brewer like me.

Honestly I'm feeling left out, perhaps my recipes aren't radical enough to be dumped every now and then.  But hey...I did just burn the hair off my arm trying to flame some foil. Does this count?
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: hamiltont on April 08, 2011, 07:44:23 PM
But hey...I did just burn the hair off my arm trying to flame some foil. Does this count?
Nope, only if the foil was on your head would it count.  ;) Cheers!!!
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: jaybeerman on April 08, 2011, 07:57:14 PM
Nope, only if the foil was on your head would it count.  ;) Cheers!!!
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the kitchen stinks of burnt hair and i still don't belong...damn!  :)
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: Pinski on April 08, 2011, 08:35:30 PM
I once made a spruce beer that had it not been for my gin loving friend Gino, would have been dumped. The only batch I've made that I didn't really enjoy. 
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: Joe Sr. on April 08, 2011, 08:47:18 PM
I made this very same beer.  It was pine sol and had to be dumped.  Even after a second, non-spruce batch for blending.  Simply undrinkable.  Lesson = moderation in spruce or other spices, always.

This was one of the very first batches I made, perhaps the first.

I saved a few bottles for many years and it did not improve.
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: Bret on April 08, 2011, 08:51:12 PM
I once made a spruce beer that had it not been for my gin loving friend Gino, would have been dumped. The only batch I've made that I didn't really enjoy. 
Worst.
Beer.
Ever.

Been there, dumped that!
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: tschmidlin on April 08, 2011, 08:54:26 PM
I once made a spruce beer that had it not been for my gin loving friend Gino, would have been dumped. The only batch I've made that I didn't really enjoy. 
Worst.
Beer.
Ever.

Been there, dumped that!
You're doing it wrong :)  I made a spruce beer that won BOS in a local competition and got a 45 in the first round of the nationals.  The only place that got dumped was down people's throats. ;)

I've made my share of dumpers though, invariably it is something that sits too long and goes bad.  Other than the batch I made with a garden hose, which was dumped really quickly.
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: Bret on April 08, 2011, 09:04:06 PM
No doubt, Tom.  Don't like it enough to try again though.  Maybe I can sample yours sometime.
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: Pinski on April 08, 2011, 09:11:45 PM
No doubt, Tom.  Don't like it enough to try again though.  Maybe I can sample yours sometime.
+1,  same here...the scar is too deep.  ;)
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: tschmidlin on April 08, 2011, 09:14:05 PM
No doubt, Tom.  Don't like it enough to try again though.  Maybe I can sample yours sometime.
+1,  same here...the scar is too deep.  ;)
What did you use for your spruce flavor, and how much?   Have you tried Alaskan's Winter Ale?  If you don't like the flavor of that then there's not much I can say, but it should definitely not taste like pinesol.
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: Joe Sr. on April 08, 2011, 09:19:42 PM
My recollection is it was something called "spruce essence" or something similar.  It was the early 90's.

I had a cold, couldn't smell anything, and said "I can't smell anything!  Put more of that in the pot!"

BIG mistake.  I am not kidding when I say pine sol.  It smelled like pine scented cleaner and no one, not even the desperate, would drink it.

I have no interest in brewing it again, although I'm sure I could do it better.  I knows what I likes and it ain't spruce beer.
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: Pinski on April 08, 2011, 09:27:44 PM
No doubt, Tom.  Don't like it enough to try again though.  Maybe I can sample yours sometime.
+1,  same here...the scar is too deep.  ;)
What did you use for your spruce flavor, and how much?   Have you tried Alaskan's Winter Ale?  If you don't like the flavor of that then there's not much I can say, but it should definitely not taste like pinesol.
Like Joe, I used "spruce essence" and it was the early 90's....maybe I had a cold too? I'm sure I just over did it. 
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: EHall on April 08, 2011, 09:27:52 PM
Tom, I've attempted the spruce beer once, didn't use enough... I'd like to see your 'schedule' and amounts for the spruce if you don't mind, I've got a few different methods I've thought about using, but definately want to attempt this again.

As for dumping... I got an infection in the brewery a couple years ago... ended up dumping 9gal... I almost cried... I played taps in my head...
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: Bret on April 08, 2011, 09:43:59 PM
It tasted like chewing a Christmas tree.  Really don't remember the specifics.  Don't want to.
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: tschmidlin on April 08, 2011, 09:56:01 PM
No wonder, I wouldn't use spruce essence for anything you want to drink :)

The spruce addition is easy enough - a quart of fresh or frozen Sitka spruce tips at 60 minutes.  I went to a talk on spruce beers at the NHC in Vegas, it was awesome.  Pete Devaris is from the Great Northern Brewers, he knows a lot about them.  Some things I remember:

Spruce tips should be fruity and somewhat citrusy, not piney

You want to use only the bright green tips of the tree, and taste them before you use them.  One tree can taste great while one right next to it can be nasty.

Once you find good trees you can go back to them year after year to harvest, and there will be even more tips in their place.

Sitka spruce tastes the best, and the further North it is growing the better it tastes.

Measure by volume, not weight - they are more or less the same size, but the water content varies too much.

If you want, you can boil the tips by themselves and either add that to the pot or use it as mash water.  I found it easy enough to just throw them in the boil.

I'm sure there are other ways of making spruce beers, but I found that following these guidelines from Pete made an excellent, excellent beer - if you like spruce tips.  Oh, I should also mention that the tips that I used for that batch are ones that he mailed me.  Well worth the price, I haven't gone looking for local tips.
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: majorvices on April 08, 2011, 10:39:00 PM
Spruce ... maybe. I've had some decent commercial examples though never had a successful homebrewed version. Peated malt though, that's a dumper. No matter what percentage you use. Nasty stuff.
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: Joe Sr. on April 08, 2011, 10:54:10 PM
Peated Spruce Ale?  Maybe?
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: tschmidlin on April 08, 2011, 11:17:23 PM
Peated Spruce Ale?  Maybe?
No.  No peated anything in a beer.
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: EHall on April 08, 2011, 11:36:59 PM
so when you say 'quart' you talking basically filling up a quart sized bag or jar? loosely fill or pack it in or something inbetween?
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: jaybeerman on April 09, 2011, 02:24:36 AM
Spruce ... maybe. I've had some decent commercial examples though never had a successful homebrewed version. Peated malt though, that's a dumper. No matter what percentage you use. Nasty stuff.

Do you remember bert grant's porter? Did you like it?  I did, but not enough to ever try peated malt in a homebrew.
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: bluesman on April 09, 2011, 03:10:42 AM
Peated Spruce Ale?  Maybe?
No.  No peated anything in a beer.

+1

...but if you do just add about .0001 oz.  :P
Title: Re: Dumping Beer
Post by: tschmidlin on April 09, 2011, 03:38:50 AM
so when you say 'quart' you talking basically filling up a quart sized bag or jar? loosely fill or pack it in or something inbetween?
Something in between I guess :)  You'll more or less have to test it anyway to get the amount right for your taste.

Peated Spruce Ale?  Maybe?
No.  No peated anything in a beer.

+1

...but if you do just add about .0001 oz.  :P
Too much! ;D