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Title: Hop Oil
Post by: quovadisnp on April 08, 2011, 01:25:18 PM
I want to extract the oil from hops and use the oil for some foods. I'm sure whatever method of extraction I find I'll have to experiment with it to get it just the way I want but I was looking for a place to start. The only methods I saw for extracting oils from flowers and vegetables was by soaking it in alcohol for a few days and filtering...etc. Are there any other methods? I was worried that soaking in alcohol might take away from the flavor and aroma. I know distillers use freeze distillation for their brewing. If I was to boil the hops and then follow the concepts of freeze distillation, would this work? Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: b-hoppy on April 08, 2011, 02:45:18 PM
You could try something like this:  http://heartmagic.com/EssentialDistiller.html  .   I think you would have to use a lot of plant material to extract enough essential oil to be able to do something worthwhile with it.  Give it a go.
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: tschmidlin on April 08, 2011, 04:38:00 PM
I wouldn't do the boil/freeze distillation thing, either soak in ethanol or use an essential oil extractor.   Those will be your best bet, unless you have access to supercritical CO2, that would make some nice extract too.
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: Bret on April 08, 2011, 05:17:15 PM
Hop oil already exists as a product:
http://www.hopunion.com/varietyspecifichopoils.html
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: pmallory on April 09, 2011, 12:53:36 AM
It seems that alcohol extractions work well for getting useful properties out of plants for health reasons, but for flavors I think it would ruin them. It depends on what you are making. I know the THC in marijuana, which is very closely related to hops, needs to bond to a fat or an alcohol. I am curious if you could use olive oil instead of alcohol. You could use this as a base in a lot of recipes. My old roommate worked as a chef making desserts. She tried to make a beer dessert, with chocolate cover barley and candied hops.
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: Will's Swill on April 09, 2011, 02:58:45 PM
"She tried to make..." 

How'd it turn out?  I mean, I love hops as much as the next guy, but candied?   :P  Scared.  Very scared.
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: tygo on April 09, 2011, 03:19:04 PM
If you're an AHA member this sounds like a good question for Sean Paxton in Ask the Experts this month.
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: denny on April 09, 2011, 03:25:50 PM
Hop candy...

http://www.hopcandyinc.com/

and

http://www.homebrewing.org/Cascade-Hop-Candy_p_1810.html
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: b-hoppy on April 09, 2011, 04:55:45 PM
Thanks Denny!
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: Will's Swill on April 09, 2011, 04:57:54 PM
Hop candy...


Ever tried them?
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: denny on April 09, 2011, 06:20:00 PM
Hop candy...


Ever tried them?

I haven't tried the chocolate covered ones, but I have tried the straight kinda chewy hop candy.  Very...interesting.....
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: tschmidlin on April 09, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
Hop candy...


Ever tried them?

I haven't tried the chocolate covered ones, but I have tried the straight kinda chewy hop candy.  Very...interesting.....
I had the hard hop candies at the NHC.  The flavor was pretty good, but it stuck with you for a LONG time.  I burped hop candy for a long time after, it stopped being fun after 15 minutes or so, got annoying after an hour.
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: Will's Swill on April 10, 2011, 03:16:56 AM
Sounds delicious...  Kinda...
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: nonestalius on February 24, 2015, 01:05:07 AM
Ever since I heard about that Sierra Nevada Hop Hunter, it got me all interested in hop oil all over again.
It seems like the major hop suppliers all have it listed somewhere, yet it's nowhere to be found.
Then I stumbled upon this on eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/121558322738 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/121558322738)
A good selection of different hops, too. Anyone tried them yet?
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: erockrph on February 24, 2015, 01:25:29 AM
Ever since I heard about that Sierra Nevada Hop Hunter, it got me all interested in hop oil all over again.
It seems like the major hop suppliers all have it listed somewhere, yet it's nowhere to be found.
Then I stumbled upon this on eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/121558322738 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/121558322738)
A good selection of different hops, too. Anyone tried them yet?
I've never heard of them, and something about their post has my spidey senses tingling. They don't actually mention their source or how the oil is extracted. The product also seems marketed more to the consumer than the brewer. I've had bad luck with other products meant to doctor up a beer.

I messaged the seller asking for a bit more detail about the product. If it seems legit, I may spring for a few. Citra flavored water/tea/kombucha sounds pretty tasty to me, and it would be a nice way to taste-test various dry hopping regimens on a beer.
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: HoosierBrew on February 24, 2015, 01:31:12 AM
+1. I think that that most or all the hop shot/oil type products available to homebrewers are for bittering, and don't have good aromatic properties. I hope eventually what SN is doing with that beer will filter down to the home level.

EDIT -  Eric, I'll be curious to hear what you think, if you use some of this. I thought it looked kind of spotty, too. Maybe not. I'd be curious if there's any useful flavor or aroma, or just bittering power.
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: nonestalius on February 24, 2015, 02:14:46 AM
Thanks Eric for prodding! Please do let us know what the seller says!

According to the ebay page and their website, I am under the impression that it is the essential oil. They also sell a separate iso-alpha acid on their website, which further makes me think these should be essential oils.

I don't know, for $5 it's cheap enough to try I guess. (I tried the Hop Tech Hop Oil before and was really not impressed.) Maybe I will buy a few, too. Will let you guys know!
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: b-hoppy on February 24, 2015, 02:30:01 AM
If it's anything like this: http://freshops.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?preadd=action&key=MERCHOIL, it should be a hit.  Great for those events you get stuck at where your host ends up providing a keg of BMC or other lifeless beer.  A drop or two will help you get through the event a little better.
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: erockrph on February 24, 2015, 04:13:41 AM
They got right back to me. It does sound just like the freshops product:

Quote
Thanks for you interests!

Our hop oil is pure steam distilled from whole hops and no solvent was used. It is different from hop extract that it does not contain other hop compounds.
It is designed to be used in finished beer, pre-diluted in alcohol to be dosed at 5ppm per 12oz with one single drop.

We have more information on our website http://www.HopMyBeer.com , and since we don' have to pay extra auction fees, we do have better pricing there.

Let us know if you have more questions!
Cheers!
Jarvi

The price is $5 apiece on their website, with free shipping over $25. I ended up snapping up the iso-AA product as well as Centennial, Chinook, Apollo and Citra oils. I'm looking forward to trying them out.
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: nonestalius on February 24, 2015, 05:16:35 AM
Cool!  I think I will bite the bullet, too.   ;)

FWIK, you are supposed to use hop oils toward the very end of the process (utilization rates at the earlier stages are very very poor), so dosing it in finished beer, or as their website suggested to add it directly into the beer before you drink, may be what I'd do anyway.
It does seem like they are framing it to be easy to use for consumers instead of homebrewers, but I suppose it's not that different in this case.
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: erockrph on February 24, 2015, 02:15:57 PM
Cool!  I think I will bite the bullet, too.   ;)

FWIK, you are supposed to use hop oils toward the very end of the process (utilization rates at the earlier stages are very very poor), so dosing it in finished beer, or as their website suggested to add it directly into the beer before you drink, may be what I'd do anyway.
It does seem like they are framing it to be easy to use for consumers instead of homebrewers, but I suppose it's not that different in this case.
Right. For homebrewers, the better option is just to add "real deal" dry hops. This would be good for playing around with different hops in a small sample, for teaching non-homebrewers about different hops and what they do, or maybe for kicking up the hop aroma on bottled batches that are starting to lose some pop.
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: b-hoppy on February 26, 2015, 06:52:14 AM
And to take things to the next level, there's this: http://hopwater.com/.  I've actually used the Freshops product to flavor water before and it was a pleasant surprise while out riding my bike to reach down and take a hit of hop flavored water!  The candy will also achieve a similar result and works well in hot tea and coffee. 
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: erockrph on February 26, 2015, 01:04:54 PM
And to take things to the next level, there's this: http://hopwater.com/.  I've actually used the Freshops product to flavor water before and it was a pleasant surprise while out riding my bike to reach down and take a hit of hop flavored water!  The candy will also achieve a similar result and works well in hot tea and coffee.
I will probably use this for flavoring water/iced tea/kombucha as much as I use it for beer. The hop water stuff seems a bit dubious. It's water based instead of an alcohol based tincture, plus it has sucralose (and other additives depending on which flavor you get).

I will have to try adding your candy to some hot tea. That sounds tasty!
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: nonestalius on February 26, 2015, 05:51:40 PM
I don't know about that hopwater either. That sweetner really raise a red flag for me! I just don't see it being a practical product for brewing.

I read it somewhere on the HopMyBeer.com website about using hop oils in bourbon! Now that sounds interesting! I also had a really awesome hopped mead before, with Cascade and Chinook I believe. I think this whole Hop oil thing may be way too much fun!! :)

Ordered mine and should receive it tomorrow!
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: HoosierBrew on February 26, 2015, 05:57:40 PM
I don't know about that hopwater either. That sweetner really raise a red flag for me! I just don't see it being a practical product for brewing.

+1.  I'll pass.
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: JT on February 26, 2015, 07:39:13 PM
The hop water isn't for brewing.  They're making their own drink.  Creators visited our club a few months ago with samples.  Not bad!  They planned on selling 4 packs of bottled hopwater but may have changed their strategy. 
Title: Re: Hop Oil
Post by: b-hoppy on February 27, 2015, 06:17:28 PM
I think this is pretty much sold as 'singles': http://propersoda.com/shop/hop-soda  Never tried it but it seems to get good reviews?

edit: I literally just saw this one: http://www.wzzm13.com/story/news/local/made-in-michigan/2015/02/26/hop-soda-hibiscus-proper-soda-made-in-michigan-stephen-curtis/24074949/