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Title: Now why didn't I think of this?
Post by: micsager on April 19, 2011, 07:36:47 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/04/19/new-british-beer-laced-viagra/?test=faces

Viagra laced beer.
Title: Re: Now why didn't I think of this?
Post by: gmac on April 19, 2011, 07:57:40 PM
I'm not sure we need more drunk and horny Englishmen. 
I'm considering "dry-hopping" with Advil though.  I think adding Ibuprofen would negate some of the negative side-effects of too much homebrew.
Title: Re: Now why didn't I think of this?
Post by: Rhoobarb on April 19, 2011, 08:03:52 PM
It figures it would be a BrewDog offering. ::)
Title: Re: Now why didn't I think of this?
Post by: beersk on April 19, 2011, 08:27:10 PM
Wow, that's whack.  I've definitely gotten the WD before, but I ain't gonna drink this s*** to make up for it, just in case...
Title: Re: Now why didn't I think of this?
Post by: alikocho on April 19, 2011, 09:22:10 PM
I should point out, given that I'm currently looking at the label of said beer that it also contains a dose of sarcasm....
Title: Re: Now why didn't I think of this?
Post by: punatic on April 20, 2011, 01:33:41 AM
I'm not sure we need more drunk and horny Englishmen. 
I'm considering "dry-hopping" with Advil though.  I think adding Ibuprofen would negate some of the negative side-effects of too much homebrew.

It would negate your kidneys too.

Ethanol + ibuprofen is a no no.
Title: Re: Now why didn't I think of this?
Post by: malzig on April 20, 2011, 10:59:56 AM
I'm considering "dry-hopping" with Advil though.  I think adding Ibuprofen would negate some of the negative side-effects of too much homebrew.

It would negate your kidneys too.

Ethanol + ibuprofen is a no no.
Also, Acetaminophen and alcohol are a particularly bad combination and risks severe liver damage.
Title: Re: Now why didn't I think of this?
Post by: gmac on April 20, 2011, 09:32:25 PM
So you're saying I need to keep drinking beer at night, Advil in the morning?  Darn, wanted to kill two birds with one stone.
Title: Re: Now why didn't I think of this?
Post by: ccarlson on April 20, 2011, 09:43:03 PM
Tylenol and alcohol is very bad for your liver, but I thought Ibuprofen wasn't too bad as long as you have something besides just alcohol in your stomach, IE food. However, I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Now why didn't I think of this?
Post by: morticaixavier on April 20, 2011, 10:48:55 PM
even asprin is not great as it can increase the chances of stomach bleeding. But from what I have been told by doctors is that the tylenol/alchahol combo is THE ONE to avoid. Some people with tendencies towards liver problems have had deadly reactions even days after drinking after taking tylenol
Title: Re: Now why didn't I think of this?
Post by: amish electrician on April 21, 2011, 05:04:37 AM
As someone with a PhD in Pharmaceutics (not trying to be all uppity-hey-you-guys-listen-to-me-cause-I-have-a-degree-guy, but), I would recommend that any of us that are regular drinkers just refrain from Tylenol usage in general.  It is a good anti-inflammatory but not that great as a pain reliever anyway.  

The main problem is that chronic alcohol ingestion induces the enzyme that converts Tylenol to a reactive, liver damaging metabolite.  So if you are a regular drinker, that enzyme will be present in a larger quantity and will therefore convert more of the Tylenol to the bad metabolite which can then have bad effects on your liver.  As with everything toxicity depends on the dose and for the most part severe liver toxicity is seen after people have taken grams of Tylenol....  but for what it is worth, I just refrain from using Tylenol in general as a regular drinker, especially since there are other drugs that work better.
Title: Re: Now why didn't I think of this?
Post by: euge on April 21, 2011, 05:48:36 AM

The main problem is that chronic alcohol ingestion induces the enzyme that converts Tylenol to a reactive, liver damaging metabolite.  So if you are a regular drinker, that enzyme will be present in a larger quantity and will therefore convert more of the Tylenol to the bad metabolite which can then have bad effects on your liver.  As with everything toxicity depends on the dose and for the most part severe liver toxicity is seen after people have taken grams of Tylenol....  but for what it is worth, I just refrain from using Tylenol in general as a regular drinker, especially since there are other drugs that work better.

Since becoming a homebrewer I completely cut out Acetaminophen and severely limit Ibuprofen. First pain-reliever of choice is Aspirin but that is also rarely used. Rarely get headaches anway- maybe once a year at most. The main problem is muscle ache etc... Regardless, I avoid if at all possible since my consumption is probably bad enough. :)
Title: Re: Now why didn't I think of this?
Post by: punatic on April 21, 2011, 08:51:46 AM
Ibuprofen really helped with my gout until I was able to fill a prescription for indomethacin.  But then I had stopped drinking because of the gout.

I stopped taking acetaminophen a long time ago when given a prescription for tylenol with codeine in it.  It made my ears ring.

About that time there was a joke, "Did you hear they found a cure for aids? --- Tylenol"  refering to the tylenol/cyanide tampering.
Title: Re: Now why didn't I think of this?
Post by: phillamb168 on April 21, 2011, 09:19:07 AM
As someone with a PhD in Pharmaceutics (not trying to be all uppity-hey-you-guys-listen-to-me-cause-I-have-a-degree-guy, but), I would recommend that any of us that are regular drinkers just refrain from Tylenol usage in general.  It is a good anti-inflammatory but not that great as a pain reliever anyway.  

The main problem is that chronic alcohol ingestion induces the enzyme that converts Tylenol to a reactive, liver damaging metabolite.  So if you are a regular drinker, that enzyme will be present in a larger quantity and will therefore convert more of the Tylenol to the bad metabolite which can then have bad effects on your liver.  As with everything toxicity depends on the dose and for the most part severe liver toxicity is seen after people have taken grams of Tylenol....  but for what it is worth, I just refrain from using Tylenol in general as a regular drinker, especially since there are other drugs that work better.

A question for you, then: Paracetemol == Ibuprofen?

I will occasionally take one generic equivalent Aleve (one a day for a couple days) every three-four months, and if I've got a bad headache I take paracetemol 500mg, but that's also only about once every 4-6 weeks. I (heart) my liver and don't want to hurt it, so what would you say in my case?
Title: Re: Now why didn't I think of this?
Post by: ccarlson on April 21, 2011, 03:06:27 PM
Personally, I think Ibuprofen far exceeds Acetaminophen as a pain reliever, but I'd still like to hear an expert's advice on using it while, or soon after, drinking.
Title: Re: Now why didn't I think of this?
Post by: amish electrician on April 21, 2011, 06:18:23 PM

A question for you, then: Paracetemol == Ibuprofen?

I will occasionally take one generic equivalent Aleve (one a day for a couple days) every three-four months, and if I've got a bad headache I take paracetemol 500mg, but that's also only about once every 4-6 weeks. I (heart) my liver and don't want to hurt it, so what would you say in my case?

Paracetemol is acetaminophen, which is of course Tylenol.  I would say at 500mg every once in a while you are fine, the majority of cases where people have liver toxicity are the ones that drink a ton and then take 8 of those.  While I wouldn't drink regularly and take a couple Tylenol everyday, that probably isn't gonna even be that bad for you.  Oh, and if you love your liver then you probably shouldn't be poisoning it with alcohol  ;)

The issue with Alcohol and Ibuprofen or Aleve is that by themselves the Ibuprofen and Aleve can irritate your stomach lining causing bleeding and ulcers, and alcohol can also cause irritation, so if you are susceptible to that, you could have some issues...

Again it is all a matter of how much of all of these things and how often and how sensitive the individual is.  So it isn't absolutely going to cause issues, but it is something one should be aware of.
Title: Re: Now why didn't I think of this?
Post by: oscarvan on April 21, 2011, 09:03:59 PM
I take 2 Advil, twice a year. If the headache is my own fault, no pills.
Title: Re: Now why didn't I think of this?
Post by: Will's Swill on April 22, 2011, 02:52:59 AM
Huh, pils usually helps my headaches.
Title: Re: Now why didn't I think of this?
Post by: phillamb168 on April 22, 2011, 07:04:23 AM
Huh, pils usually helps my headaches.

 ;D

Thanks for the info amish!