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Title: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: dbeechum on April 25, 2011, 05:25:08 PM
All right speed racers.. what's the fastest you've ever turned a beer from tun to tap?

I've got an experiment going right now:
http://www.maltosefalcons.com/recipes/express-mild

6 days to turn around a mild? Can it be done? I gave the beer a crap ton of yeast and a bunch of O2. - I think I can I think I can!
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: MDixon on April 25, 2011, 05:37:29 PM
I think it was 4 days. I made a second runnings trashcan batch and used dry yeast. Appeared to have fermented out overnight and the hydrometer said it had. Moved to secondary and realized I could have it ready to serve at the club meeting. It was cloudy so I added gelatin to clear and crash cooled. Kegged the next day and carbonated. Served on day 4. Seemed like a roughly hopped wheat beer (much of the runnings making it were wheat). Had I waited another two weeks it would have mellowed, but where's the fun in that?
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: tomsawyer on April 25, 2011, 05:55:51 PM
I've done special bitters around 1.045 in ten days and I wasn't really rushing anything.  A 1.034 beer will get done fermenting really fast, and a nice British yeast should drop out quickly. Low carbonation shouldn't be hard to achieve in a single day.

My only comment on the recipe is that I've never been satisfied with a sub-1.040 brew when I mash for a relatively dry product.  I think I'd mash at 156F just to give it more body and sweetness.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: ccarlson on April 25, 2011, 05:57:20 PM
What's your hurry?  ;)
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: dbeechum on April 25, 2011, 06:09:08 PM
What's the rush? Southern California Homebrewers Festival (http://calhomebrewers.org/)!

And I've done my milds up at 156. Wasn't that thrilled. Of course my milds almost always have an addition of oats or oat malt to it.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: narvin on April 25, 2011, 06:16:44 PM
I did an ESB for a clone competition in 12 days, mostly because of the deadline and not having good weather to brew until the last minute.  It was a clone of a local brewpub beer which according to the brewer is crash cooled after 4 days of fermentation.  I used Ringwood and open-fermented to match his process, although I waited until day 7 to cool and start carbonating.  The result?  No diacetyl and a great malty flavor.  I let another 5 gallons continue to age at room temperature in a secondary for another week, and it finished lower than I wanted and lacked some of the richness that I got in the first version.  I'd generally never ferment a beer in a week, let alone a 1.065 ESB, but this one really turned out nice.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: beersk on April 25, 2011, 06:26:05 PM
I should try this, I just typically do 2 weeks in the primary then 1 week in the keg. 
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: weazletoe on April 25, 2011, 06:28:54 PM
Well, my first bach I bottled after 4 days........ :-\
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: ccarlson on April 25, 2011, 06:30:59 PM
What's the rush? Southern California Homebrewers Festival (http://calhomebrewers.org/)!

And I've done my milds up at 156. Wasn't that thrilled. Of course my milds almost always have an addition of oats or oat malt to it.

I'd be worried about serving young (possibly sub par) beer at a beer festival, but hey, maybe it'll turn out okay. Good luck.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: dannyjed on April 25, 2011, 06:35:58 PM
Keep us informed on how this turns out.  This would be good to know like when my wife reminds me about a cookout that we're having in a week and I need to whip up a quick batch.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: a10t2 on April 25, 2011, 06:41:59 PM
I just tapped a blonde ale ten days after brewing. I don't really like to carbonate at high pressure, though, so it was actually in the keg on day 6.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: dbeechum on April 25, 2011, 06:43:32 PM
I'd be worried about serving young (possibly sub par) beer at a beer festival, but hey, maybe it'll turn out okay. Good luck.

Don't worry.. if it isn't up to snuff, it isn't going. I've got plenty of other uses for the beer! This is more a test to see what's possible.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: tschmidlin on April 25, 2011, 06:48:21 PM
I've turned it around in 7-10 days a few times, and need to have beer ready in 12 days that I haven't brewed yet (and won't today).
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: euge on April 25, 2011, 06:55:28 PM
Kegged a Mild in 5 days- force carb and drinking the next. It was clear and tasty.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: beersk on April 25, 2011, 08:52:20 PM
Kegged a Mild in 5 days- force carb and drinking the next. It was clear and tasty.
Amazing...

I wonder if there really are only a few styles that work well doing this.  Probably an oatmeal stout wouldn't be good with a 5-7 day turn around, no?  Maybe a pale?
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: scooter2374 on April 25, 2011, 09:17:18 PM
4 weeks is my quickie so far after 9 or so beers made
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 25, 2011, 09:37:29 PM
I have gone from grain to glass in 8 days for a mild.  A big dose of flocculant yeast is one thing you want, but Drew knows that.  Keg on day 7 and force carbonate. 
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: jeffy on April 25, 2011, 09:51:13 PM
I've made a Pale Ale on Sunday and served it the next Saturday.  If you have enough yeast it should be no problem.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: dbeechum on April 25, 2011, 10:29:23 PM
Just so everyone doesn't think I'm completely mad. One of the best beers I've had was done by MB Raines (aka the Beer Diva) and was an Irish Dry Stout that was kegged and served on the 4th day.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: tubercle on April 26, 2011, 12:33:30 AM
Just make sure you are not first. After 10 or 12 samples who cares what it taste like :D :D
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: tschmidlin on April 26, 2011, 06:18:46 AM
Just so everyone doesn't think I'm completely mad. One of the best beers I've had was done by MB Raines (aka the Beer Diva) and was an Irish Dry Stout that was kegged and served on the 4th day.
Did she ever share the recipe?
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: oscarvan on April 26, 2011, 02:32:16 PM
Fermented for 5, crash cooled two more, filtered and force carbonated day 7, tapping day 8. IPA. The hoppy beers taste good green. It wasn't perfectly clear, but it was presentable and tasted very good.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: Slowbrew on April 26, 2011, 03:09:30 PM
Fermented for 5, crash cooled two more, filtered and force carbonated day 7, tapping day 8. IPA. The hoppy beers taste good green. It wasn't perfectly clear, but it was presentable and tasted very good.

I did an American Wheat in 6 days tun to tap last year for our Oktoberfest.  It must have been good, the keg kicked around 11:30.  Cloudy is expected in a wheat so I didn't even have to clear it.

Paul
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: JKL on April 26, 2011, 03:14:00 PM
9 days! It was my 1st AG batch back in 2002. (Has it really been that long?) It was supposed to be a basic Pale Ale that I wanted to take on a Trip to Corpus Christy to see my family.  I mistakenly over-hopped and to this day it was one of the best beers I've ever made.  I've tried to recreate the beer twice since with no luck.  I have the grain bill but I don't have the hop schedule, yeast strain,  or the a.a.'s.  :'(
-J.K.L.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: dbeechum on April 26, 2011, 03:16:27 PM
Did she ever share the recipe?

She must have since she presented it at a club meeting but I forgot to take notes!
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: bluesman on April 26, 2011, 03:19:39 PM
My fastest is three weeks from kettle to serving glass but I haven't tried to accelerate it beyond that.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: denny on April 26, 2011, 03:23:08 PM
I think my record is 10 days brewing to serving on a batch of Rye IPA.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: enso on April 26, 2011, 10:15:15 PM
...The hoppy beers taste good green...

Not if there is wicked diacetyl!  I crashed a gallon of IPA only 9 days old and hit it with gelatin then force carbed 1 gallon in 2 liter bottles.  Yuck.  Wicked diacetyl!  I used US-05 as always.  Thinking I may add 1056 or 001 to my ranch...

As to the fastest successful turn around, also a dark mild.  It was 10 days to the glass.  May have been 8.  I don't have my records handy.  It was clear and tasty.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: abraxas on April 29, 2011, 02:58:51 AM
I do a quick pale wheat in 7-10 days... it's always been great to me and friends but a judge did detect a tiny bit of diacetyl in the competition I entered it into.  Must be below my taste threshold.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: weazletoe on April 29, 2011, 05:12:54 AM
I've taken a wizz while drinking a beer at the same time. How's that for fast turn around? ;D
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: dbeechum on April 29, 2011, 07:03:19 AM
http://www.maltosefalcons.com/recipes/express-mild

Update - Racked the beer about 20 minutes ago. Terminal gravity hit 1.011 for an abv of 3.0% on the dot.

Great nutty, malty - mostly clear. :)

Might rack it over tomorrow after a night near freezing and then carbonate. Service in 34 hours.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: tschmidlin on April 29, 2011, 08:30:51 AM
I'll have 8 days to get my Irish stout ready.  Brewing it tomorrow.

Let us know how it tastes Drew.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: dbeechum on April 29, 2011, 06:39:51 PM
8 days? You piker! :)

I was really impressed with the taste of it last night.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: tschmidlin on April 29, 2011, 06:47:02 PM
Yeah, it should be easy :)  But if I don't brew it today I won't have a chance until Wednesday . . . 3 days is cutting it sort of close.  Or I guess I could brew it any night I didn't want to sleep. ;D
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: Beer Monger on April 29, 2011, 07:05:05 PM
I'll have 8 days to get my Irish stout ready.  Brewing it tomorrow.

Let us know how it tastes Drew.

Holy crud. 8 days?  And I thought I was rushing my first batch of the season by having the 1st pint a mere 15 days after brewing.

Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: chezteth on April 29, 2011, 08:58:50 PM
I made an ordinary bitter that was done fermenting within 4 days then bottled.  IIRC within a week, or so, after bottling it was ready to drink.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: corkybstewart on April 29, 2011, 11:05:38 PM
Last year for Oktoberfest I brewed a hefeweizen that went from grain to urine in 9 days.  The keg only lasted 2 hours
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: altered_states on April 30, 2011, 01:08:38 AM
Great timing.  I need to have some beer ready for a party in a week.  Some good ideas in this thread.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: pyrite on April 30, 2011, 03:16:45 AM
Fastest was a IIPA made ready to drink in 14 days.  The wort was poured over a fresh yeast cake.  Turned out to be the best IIPA I've ever made.  8.75% ABV made with 4lbs of honey and a 80 min hop stand.  The 80 min hop stand is something to explore and is so rewarding. OMG for 80 hop stand.   
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: tschmidlin on May 02, 2011, 07:22:38 PM
I pitched the yeast in the stout Friday night.  By Sunday night it looked like it was done, and it was barely bubbling this morning.  I'll check the gravity and taste it tonight.  OG was 1.043, I used 1.5 packs of S-04 per carboy.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: gmac on May 02, 2011, 07:33:51 PM
IIRC
I've seen this on here a lot and I'm just not hip to all the lingo you kids use these days.  What's IIRC mean?
I know OMG, BRB and RDWHAHB.  I think I know what STFU means (soft thermal flannel underwear?).  After that I'm lost.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: gordonstrong on May 02, 2011, 07:35:15 PM
IIRC = If I recall correctly
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: Hokerer on May 02, 2011, 07:35:15 PM
IIRC
I've seen this on here a lot and I'm just not hip to all the lingo you kids use these days.  What's IIRC mean?
I know OMG, BRB and RDWHAHB.  I think I know what STFU means (soft thermal flannel underwear?).  After that I'm lost.


If I Remember Correctly
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: tschmidlin on May 02, 2011, 07:37:03 PM
What they said :)

You can google those you don't know, or check urbandictionary.com or internetslang.com
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: gordonstrong on May 02, 2011, 07:40:25 PM
This is an amusing way of getting it...

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=define%3A+iirc (http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=define%3A+iirc)
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: tschmidlin on May 02, 2011, 07:41:58 PM
Hilarious . . . I've heard people say that, but never seen that site. ;D
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: dbeechum on May 02, 2011, 07:43:59 PM
Yeah lmgtfy.com is kinda funny, but I don't know.. everytime I've wanted to bust it out, I suddenly feel like a dick. Stupid feeling things. :)

On a more thread related note:

The Mild was served at the fest. It was awesome. Went through ~3 gallons of it, but people didnt seem to be gunning that much for the session beers - blew through 10 gallons of Rye IPA though!
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: tschmidlin on May 02, 2011, 07:57:08 PM
Yeah lmgtfy.com is kinda funny, but I don't know.. everytime I've wanted to bust it out, I suddenly feel like a dick. Stupid feeling things. :)
Good point, I think I'd only use it on someone I know well and I know can take a joke.  Like my brother.  Or Denny. ;D

On a more thread related note:

The Mild was served at the fest. It was awesome. Went through ~3 gallons of it, but people didnt seem to be gunning that much for the session beers - blew through 10 gallons of Rye IPA though!
People at a beer fest not gravitating towards a mild?  Really?! ;)  If you had called it Six Day Ale people might have tried it out of curiosity, but put mild in the name . . .
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: gordonstrong on May 03, 2011, 01:22:18 AM
Yeah lmgtfy.com is kinda funny, but I don't know.. everytime I've wanted to bust it out, I suddenly feel like a dick. Stupid feeling things. :)
Good point, I think I'd only use it on someone I know well and I know can take a joke.  Like my brother.  Or Denny. ;D

Yeah, that's why I answered the question first. It was a joke for the forum, not directed at OP.  I was playing off Tom's suggestion to google it.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: dbeechum on May 03, 2011, 04:46:35 AM
People at a beer fest not gravitating towards a mild?  Really?! ;)  If you had called it Six Day Ale people might have tried it out of curiosity, but put mild in the name . . .

Actually, I'm always surprised. we'll run through a healthy 20 gallons or so of traditional session ales during the fest. This year, not as much.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: tomsawyer on May 03, 2011, 12:00:32 PM
Maybe it had gone past its prime.

I kegged a best bitter two days ago on day 7.  It was a little cloudy, its carbed and in the fridge now so I hope it drops relatively clear.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: SpanishCastleAle on May 03, 2011, 12:09:30 PM
Brewed a Mild on Saturday, started overnight and is now starting to slow down.  Do you guys do any sort of D-rest on these short ferments?  I figured I'd just let it free-rise today in my ~75* F home and let it stay there until I keg it.  Yeast was Wyeast 1968 in stirplate-starter, pitched cool and probably a little overpitched.  Prob not much diacetyl to begin with but I usually just let everything go 10-14 days in primary.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: dbeechum on May 03, 2011, 03:17:52 PM
Yeah, I don't know how 1968 will do with regards to diacetyl. The nice thing with the TVII yeast is it really doesn't produce any diacetyl. So it got 4 days in primary around 65 and was done. Crash cooled it overnight in the fridge. Racked, crash cooled again at freezing and then racked and carbonated.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: gmac on May 03, 2011, 03:43:40 PM
Crash cooled it overnight in the fridge. Racked, crash cooled again at freezing and then racked and carbonated.
I was reading your recipe on the Maltose Falcon site and you mentioned you were unsure about racking again.  What is the point of the 2nd racking?  So you went primary to a keg, cooled it and then to another keg?  Is this just for clarity with the reduced timeline or do you do that often?
Thanks
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: dbeechum on May 03, 2011, 04:03:32 PM
I just did that for clarity.

When I finished racking to the 2nd keg, I popped open the first keg (that had held the beer overnight at near freezing) and sure enough, there was a healthy layer of yeast and the keg bottom.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: bluesman on May 03, 2011, 04:21:47 PM
I just did that for clarity.
When I finished racking to the 2nd keg, I popped open the first keg (that had held the beer overnight at near freezing) and sure enough, there was a healthy layer of yeast and the keg bottom.

I know some folks that like this method. It's a little extra work but if beer clarity is important to you then this is a solid method that works well. I usually use gelatin to clear my beer but I will also rack into a second keg in a pinch for time.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: thatguy314 on May 03, 2011, 04:38:08 PM
All right speed racers.. what's the fastest you've ever turned a beer from tun to tap?

I've got an experiment going right now:
http://www.maltosefalcons.com/recipes/express-mild

6 days to turn around a mild? Can it be done? I gave the beer a crap ton of yeast and a bunch of O2. - I think I can I think I can!


I find I can usually turn around a beer in a week with high-flocculating yeasts.  I just moved and the first beer back was a best bitter (1.048) and It was carbed and ready to drink in 6 days.  I didn't need to pitch a large amount of yeast.  I just gave it plenty of oxygen and a low gravity wort.  That said, it took about another 10 days before it dropped perfectly clear and was really showing its best (one of my best actually).  My rules of thumb:

- highly flocculant ale yeast
- OG <=1.050 (I can do <= 1.070 in 2 weeks)
- light beer is usually ready before dark beer --> dark malts are very friable and tend to leave some particulates that adds harshness.  they usually need some conditioning time to drink well

There are some tricks I've used for I've also had luck cold crashing cal-ale yeast out over 24h in the fridge when fermentation is complete.  It gets the beer very clear very quickly.  I just do it in the carboy.  I've done in dozens of times.  When I do a 2-stage dry hop, I typically add one set of hops while the yeast are still active, crash the yeast out, and then add a second set of hops.  It adds a really layered hop aroma and helps the beer be ready to drink much faster.  That said, make sure the fermentation is done first.  One time I mistakenly though fermentation was finished when it wasn't, and I got a nasty acetaldehyde bite in my brown ale.  Now I don't crash it unless I get a consistent gravity for 3 days in a row.

However, having said all that, I don't like to force the beers to be ready.  I believe if I don't have enough homebrew to drink, then the simple fact is, I haven't been brewing enough.  I generally do these quickly-produced beers at the end of the summer, because it gets too hot to brew in July / August, and my large-stores I built up for the summer start to run out.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: tschmidlin on May 08, 2011, 10:43:18 PM
I'll have 8 days to get my Irish stout ready.  Brewing it tomorrow.
I served the stout at the party last night, there was a good crowd of Guinness lovers (at least 10 of them from Ireland).  The first keg kicked less than 90 minutes into the party, the second one ~2 hours later.  By 10:15 people had to switch to Guinness. :)  It wasn't just 8 days grain to glass, it was 8 days grain to gone! ;D  That's definitely a record for 10 gallons for me.  It was great to see so many people enjoying homebrew, and Seamus was as pleased as ever with the beer.  I'm a little sad it's all gone, in past years there was always a few gallons left over for me to put on tap at my house.

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Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: jhwk on May 09, 2011, 06:19:02 PM
Why not go Belgian?

Do a traditional enkel, big pitch of yeast, ferment at 147 dgrees and crash carb.  Should be drinking by dinner time...

what ever happened to R, DW, HAHB
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: tschmidlin on May 09, 2011, 07:22:35 PM
Which thermophile are you going to use to ferment at 147? ;)

There's RDWHAHB, and then there's ITMNIWBFHPAIICURFAIHNBY (I told my neighbor I would brew for his party and it is coming up really fast and I have not brewed yet)
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: gmac on May 09, 2011, 07:27:02 PM
I didn't know T. thermophilus was a yeast...
Nice looking stout.  Have you posted that recipe anywhere?  Down the road a stout is in my future and I may as well start with a good one.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: tschmidlin on May 09, 2011, 07:36:09 PM
It's around somewhere, but I can put it in the recipe wiki.  I keep tweaking it from year to year, but no major changes in a while.
Title: Re: Fastest Turnaround Time?
Post by: tomsawyer on May 10, 2011, 10:28:49 PM
I served the stout at the party last night, there was a good crowd of Guinness lovers (at least 10 of them from Ireland).  The first keg kicked less than 90 minutes into the party, the second one ~2 hours later.  By 10:15 people had to switch to Guinness. :)  It wasn't just 8 days grain to glass, it was 8 days grain to gone! ;D  That's definitely a record for 10 gallons for me.  It was great to see so many people enjoying homebrew, and Seamus was as pleased as ever with the beer.  I'm a little sad it's all gone, in past years there was always a few gallons left over for me to put on tap at my house.

Impressive consumption, a fitting end to the story.

My own bitter was on tap at day ten, no cold crashing and it is kind of cloudy but now at day 14 its really tasty stuff.