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Title: New brewery
Post by: weazletoe on April 29, 2011, 04:50:32 AM
As you may be able to tell from all my recent posting, I'm really getting excited about brewing again. (been listening to The Session) So, I took some measurements today, did some planning and made a material list. I'm going to put a small addition on the mancave, so I can do my brewing right here. Looking at the pic I posted, I'm coming out from the front wall 8 foot. and then, from the end wall on the right, I will come over 6 ft 8 in. That will put me about four inches off the window. Sure, it's not huge (that's what she said) just a little over 53 sq ft. But, with careful planning, I think it will be very workable, and useable. I'm very organized, and keep things in their place, so it will be fine for me. Not including flooring, to get the structure up, I'm only looking at about 350$ I am installing a floor drain, with tile floor, for easy clean up. Of course, an good vent hood, and I will plumb it, and put a good slop sink in. As I do not have water out there, I will just put a garden hose conection on the outside, and hook up the hose for brewing. Cold water only. I think I will have  18" counters on two wallsthe front wall, and looking at the front, down the left wall. I'll thow in some cabinets as I am able to pick them up free of cheap, down the road.
   As far a burners and a stand go, I think down the right hand wall, I will fab and install some type of hinged fold down two burner system. A March pump is in the works, so, single tier will be fine. I am also thinking of hard plumbing my burners, and run it outside, so my propane tank is outside while brewing. That's my plan. Now, I need help. What suggestions do you all have? Besides making it bigger, that is not an option, what what you do different, and what am I forgetting to add?

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Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: oscarvan on April 29, 2011, 12:11:30 PM
I will just put a garden hose conection on the outside, and hook up the hose for brewing. Cold water only.

I have one similar to THIS ONE (http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&productId=100051412&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&ci_sku=100051412&ci_src=14110944&cm_mmc=shopping-_-googlebase-_-D26X-_-100051412&locStoreNum=4108).....110v, makes a couple of gallons of very hot water in 15 minutes.

Just make sure you drain it when it gets cold, or leave it plugged in on the "frost free" setting. You could install an air hose connection in your plumbing to blow it out when done.
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: phillamb168 on April 29, 2011, 12:58:15 PM
As you may be able to tell from all my recent posting, I'm really getting excited about brewing again. (been listening to The Session) So, I took some measurements today, did some planning and made a material list. I'm going to put a small addition on the mancave, so I can do my brewing right here. Looking at the pic I posted, I'm coming out from the front wall 8 foot. and then, from the end wall on the right, I will come over 6 ft 8 in. That will put me about four inches off the window. Sure, it's not huge (that's what she said) just a little over 53 sq ft. But, with careful planning, I think it will be very workable, and useable. I'm very organized, and keep things in their place, so it will be fine for me. Not including flooring, to get the structure up, I'm only looking at about 350$ I am installing a floor drain, with tile floor, for easy clean up. Of course, an good vent hood, and I will plumb it, and put a good slop sink in. As I do not have water out there, I will just put a garden hose conection on the outside, and hook up the hose for brewing. Cold water only. I think I will have  18" counters on two wallsthe front wall, and looking at the front, down the left wall. I'll thow in some cabinets as I am able to pick them up free of cheap, down the road.
   As far a burners and a stand go, I think down the right hand wall, I will fab and install some type of hinged fold down two burner system. A March pump is in the works, so, single tier will be fine. I am also thinking of hard plumbing my burners, and run it outside, so my propane tank is outside while brewing. That's my plan. Now, I need help. What suggestions do you all have? Besides making it bigger, that is not an option, what what you do different, and what am I forgetting to add?

(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd235/Weazletoe/130.jpg)


Image extrapolation and enhancement has verified that Weaz has NO PANTS, I repeat, NO PANTS in this photograph.

Carry on citizens.
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: phillamb168 on April 29, 2011, 01:02:19 PM
I would say design everything with restaurant kitchen design in mind - prep area, cold side, hot side, storage, etc. Keep your cleaning supplies all the way to the left, then your grains, then kettles, then cooler, etc. It'll save you from having to run all over the place during your brew-day.
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: weazletoe on May 01, 2011, 01:36:12 AM
Update, looks like I have a nice pile of cash coming my way in the next month or two, so it'll be a go. No, I plan to add two new jet burners, I 30# propane tank, maybe a plate chiller. And maybe, just maybe a conicle. This is almost to good to be true.  8)
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: phillamb168 on May 04, 2011, 07:04:32 AM
Update, looks like I have a nice pile of cash coming my way in the next month or two, so it'll be a go. No, I plan to add two new jet burners, I 30# propane tank, maybe a plate chiller. And maybe, just maybe a conicle. This is almost to good to be true.  8)

Nice! Congrats. Tax refund? Lottery?
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: weazletoe on May 04, 2011, 07:29:36 PM
 Dead grandmother, actually. And, change of plans. Addition will now be 8x10.
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on May 06, 2011, 03:30:07 AM
Dead grandmother, actually. And, change of plans. Addition will now be 8x10.
Cheer to grandma.
You will always think about her when you are there.
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: gmac on May 06, 2011, 03:52:52 AM
All I can say is "Go for it!!!"  I'm jealous.  A dedicated space for your brewing will be awesome.
Got a name for this enterprise yet?  American Bacon Brewery? 
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: Will's Swill on May 06, 2011, 03:57:23 AM
Beers for Men Who Wear Skirts? ::)
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: dak0415 on May 06, 2011, 04:32:53 AM
Beers for Men Who Wear Skirts? ::)
It's a KILT dammit!
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: denny on May 06, 2011, 03:10:51 PM
When I remodeled my garage for brewing, the first thing to go in was a floor drain with the floor at a 1/8" per ft. slope down to it.  It's the best part of the brewing space.   When I re-remodeled last fall, I added an under counter water heater in the base cabinet for the sink.  I can't tell you how great it is to have hot water.  I suggest you consider both things.
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: dbeechum on May 06, 2011, 04:01:31 PM
I can't tell you how great it is to have hot water.

This is huge. When I moved into the new house, I thought it was pretty nifty that the garage had its own hot water heater (to heat water for the mother in law apartment).

Having brewed several times and cleaned a ton of gear, I can't believe how ridiculously wonderful it is to have hot water right there.
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: bluesman on May 06, 2011, 04:29:22 PM
I can't tell you how great it is to have hot water.

This is huge. When I moved into the new house, I thought it was pretty nifty that the garage had its own hot water heater (to heat water for the mother in law apartment).

Having brewed several times and cleaned a ton of gear, I can't believe how ridiculously wonderful it is to have hot water right there.

I couldn't agree more. I have to haul my kettles out to the patio for cleaning after every brew session. What a PITA it can be. I have a utility basin in my cellar but need one in my garage where I currently brew.
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: ibru on May 06, 2011, 05:10:52 PM
When I was planning my "man cave", I wanted a few things for my brewery. First, a commercial stainless 3 bay sink and overhead sprayer (Craigs list $200) with a tankless water heater, A floor drain was next. Clean up is a lot easier and quicker. I put the green sheet rock around my brewing area, in case I splash water on it. If I were brewing close to the wall, I'd consider something water proof and fire resistant.

As an added bonus, which I haven't used yet, while they were installing my tankless water heater, I had them stub off a propane connection both inside and outside so when hooked up, I won't have to mess with propane tanks.

It is sooo nice to have everything I need within a few feet of the brew stand. I used to have to drag the stand out of the garage and several trips to my "junk room". DW likes it too because it doesn't wake her early during Brew Day. More bullets, right!

Have fun and I hope it all comes together like you want it!
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: weazletoe on May 06, 2011, 10:43:15 PM
  I did forget to mention, that a floor drain is already planned. Also, Despite what I said earlier, I am now stepping up to 10x8. Been keeping my eye on Craigslist for a SS sink. Not sure why, I don't have the coin yet. When the time comes, I may just have to go with a two bowl laundry tub. Is hot water really that big a deal? I was considering a small water heater, tankless is just not in the budget. But, then I decided I could just save the water from my chiller. All I really need hot water for is cleaning my boil kettle. Maybe I will have to reconsider. I could plug it in the night before, and be ready to go the next morning. Now I'm second guessing myself. I also really like the idea of an overhead sprayer. Think I'm going to steal that one.

  And yes, the brewery has a name. Rocky Mountain Buckeye.
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: Will's Swill on May 12, 2011, 03:04:43 AM
I don't have the hot water, but I've been plotting how to get it in my brew area.  I do sometimes use an electric turkey fryer to have hot water on hand, but that ain't nothing compared to a more usable amount of hot water under house pressure.

I can't believe you didn't go with Men Who Wear Skirts.
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: weazletoe on May 12, 2011, 03:31:34 AM
Well, belive it!  ;D

   I was actually thinking of doing the same thing you are saying with the turkey fryer. I'll put a valve on the kettle, and keep it stored over head. Won't be preassurized, but gravity fed will be better than nothing.
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: yugamrap on May 12, 2011, 03:41:50 AM
How about a good exhaust hood to vent all the steam?  Do you still have the one from the ol' Three Taverns?
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: narvin on May 12, 2011, 04:03:25 AM
Perhaps some heat for the winter?

If you have a big air vent on the floor, you can walk over it and your skirt will blow up.
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: weazletoe on May 12, 2011, 04:52:01 AM
Oh yeah, the mancave has heat and a/c. No doubt about that.
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: Will's Swill on May 15, 2011, 09:11:54 PM
   I was actually thinking of doing the same thing you are saying with the turkey fryer. I'll put a valve on the kettle, and keep it stored over head. Won't be preassurized, but gravity fed will be better than nothing.

Yep, that's exactly what I do.  The fryer has a 1/2" valve and I put it on the top tier of my brewstand.  My initial thought was to use it to clear my pumps and chiller of wort goodness, and it does work for the chiller, but my pump doesn't like to reprime from the fryer.  So I don't use it all that often as it turns out to be kind of a PITA.  However, I've been considering the addition of a portable sink to the brewing area, and I may recommission the turkey fryer to feed a hot water to that.  Haven't decided if all that is worth the effort, though.
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: weazletoe on May 15, 2011, 09:50:37 PM
How about a good exhaust hood to vent all the steam?  Do you still have the one from the ol' Three Taverns?

  I do not have my old hood. Would not work in my new set up, even if I did. Honestly, I'm not that worried about a hood here. It is so drry here, any moisture is sucked up almost immediatly. I will install a fart fan or two. And, of course, I will keep the windows open when the burners are on. As far as moisture collecting like it did in Ohio, I'm not worried about it right now, until trial proves me otherwise.
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: rabid_dingo on May 16, 2011, 12:21:17 AM
As far as a tankless goes, they have "point of use" models for just that, low flow rates that could pre-empt
the propane burners. Defenitely not cheap but electric can cut some of your propane consumption. Might
start to  make up the cost after about 20 batches...
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: weazletoe on May 16, 2011, 01:36:19 AM
I really would love to use a taankless, but way out of my budget. CRrap, the water hearter alone would cost more than the brewery. I reeally would like to go electric, but I am limited to 40 amps out here. Really can't even swap the breaker out fora 60, because when I wired it, I only ran 8ga wire from the main box.Poor planning on my part, I know. I'm paying for it now.  :-[
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: phillamb168 on May 16, 2011, 07:30:15 AM
  I did forget to mention, that a floor drain is already planned. Also, Despite what I said earlier, I am now stepping up to 10x8. Been keeping my eye on Craigslist for a SS sink. Not sure why, I don't have the coin yet. When the time comes, I may just have to go with a two bowl laundry tub. Is hot water really that big a deal? I was considering a small water heater, tankless is just not in the budget. But, then I decided I could just save the water from my chiller. All I really need hot water for is cleaning my boil kettle. Maybe I will have to reconsider. I could plug it in the night before, and be ready to go the next morning. Now I'm second guessing myself. I also really like the idea of an overhead sprayer. Think I'm going to steal that one.

  And yes, the brewery has a name. Rocky Mountain Buckeye.

BUCKEYES??? That's it, I'm naming my brewery "The Hawkeye Brewery."
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: denny on May 16, 2011, 03:35:45 PM
BUCKEYES??? That's it, I'm naming my brewery "The Hawkeye Brewery."

Are you from IA?
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: phillamb168 on May 16, 2011, 04:03:44 PM
BUCKEYES??? That's it, I'm naming my brewery "The Hawkeye Brewery."

Are you from IA?

Nope, but Loyola didn't have a football team so I'm an adopted Iowa fan.
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: denny on May 16, 2011, 04:58:31 PM
BUCKEYES??? That's it, I'm naming my brewery "The Hawkeye Brewery."

Are you from IA?

Nope, but Loyola didn't have a football team so I'm an adopted Iowa fan.

Just curious....I grew up in IA and both my mom and dad went to UI.
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: phillamb168 on May 17, 2011, 11:58:51 AM
BUCKEYES??? That's it, I'm naming my brewery "The Hawkeye Brewery."

Are you from IA?

Nope, but Loyola didn't have a football team so I'm an adopted Iowa fan.

Just curious....I grew up in IA and both my mom and dad went to UI.

Every person I know who went there is pretty awesome. Had I been smarter I probably would have gone there and paid wayyy less and gotten more out of it. Oh well
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: oscarvan on May 22, 2011, 04:36:52 AM
Yo Weaze, did you catch my earlier post? Click on the link..... 40 A is plenty. I have one, LOVE IT. 2.5 G doesn't sound like a lot, but it recovers in 15 minutes. I have a spray hose coming out from UNDER the sink, reaches the floor drain. Makes cleaning buckets, cornies etc soooo much easier.

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&productId=100051412&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&ci_sku=100051412&ci_src=14110944&cm_mmc=shopping-_-googlebase-_-D26X-_-100051412&locStoreNum=4108
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: weazletoe on May 22, 2011, 04:40:56 AM
Well, at only 12.5 amp, I could hanle that for sure, The price is right, too. 2.5 gal would be plenty for brewry cleaning chores. What is the recovery time on that?   
   And thanks for the link. Very helpful.
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: euge on May 22, 2011, 06:13:21 AM
I have the 2.5g Ariston under my kitchen sink. I can attest to it's worthiness. Instant hot water.
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: weazletoe on May 25, 2011, 03:25:31 AM
Looks like my dream of a brewery will have to wait another month or so. The money I was hoping to get is held up in legal mumbo jumbo for a month or two.  ::)
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: oscarvan on May 26, 2011, 03:06:28 PM
Well, at only 12.5 amp, I could hanle that for sure, The price is right, too. 2.5 gal would be plenty for brewry cleaning chores. What is the recovery time on that?   
   And thanks for the link. Very helpful.

About 15 minutes.
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: denny on May 26, 2011, 03:23:40 PM
I have the 2.5g Ariston under my kitchen sink. I can attest to it's worthiness. Instant hot water.

I've got the 4 gal.  It rocks!
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: rabid_dingo on May 28, 2011, 01:50:09 AM
Hey, A friend and I were talking about me building a "brew shed/man cave"
and he pointed me in this direction. Framing kit (http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_572_572)
It allows for easy framing for 8'x8' or mutliple ones for larger sheds...

Defenitely opening the door for my mancave/brewshed
Title: Re: New brewery
Post by: weazletoe on May 28, 2011, 02:04:50 AM
That's really cool. Great for dudes that ain't into carpentry. (like myself) I was just fortunate that my bro-in-law is. He framed, I did the rest.  8)