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Title: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: Janis on April 29, 2011, 08:22:31 PM
Hi everyone,

This weekend is the last weekend for the competition.  The Saratoga Springs organizers need judges for Saturday April 30th to finish the judging.  If anyone can help, please contact Jim Kehrer (Jim_Kehrer@nycap.rr.com) ASAP.

Thanks to everyone who has volunteered during this year's competitions!

Cheers,
    Janis
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: centpa on May 02, 2011, 06:30:16 PM
Any update on whether Saratoga was able to finish?
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: Janis on May 02, 2011, 10:06:33 PM
Hi Centpa,

They were able to judge most of the remaining entries over the weekend, but they have a couple left to judge.  The organizer is trying to get those judged early this week.  They are almost done.

Thanks for your patience.

Cheers,
    Janis
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: spointon on May 03, 2011, 05:24:10 AM
I hope I don't get crucified for this and also that I am not missing anything obvious, but why is it that no results can be released until all results can be released?  The reason stated is always "fairness" but forgive me I can't figure that out.  What is unfair about releasing the results as they are processed?  Is it simply because the folks submitting to the locations that judged later in the month might become jealous of the good fortune of those who received their scores earlier by submitting to an earlier completing location?  That sounds sort of petty so I don't want to believe that.  This is my first NHC so bear with me on this...
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: theDarkSide on May 03, 2011, 12:10:52 PM
I guess it doesn't matter since the score sheets are received earlier than the NHC posting anyways.  I'm sure it has to do something with having the database complete before releasing it to the site.

The only advantage I can see is the people who know they are advancing can rebrew their entries if they know they are going to the second round.  But the only way to alleviate that would be to not release any scoresheets until everyone is done, which I doubt would fly ( nor would I want that to happen ).  

But let's not forget that the NE region WAS one of those early judging sites.
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: hopfenundmalz on May 03, 2011, 12:24:37 PM
Two years ago, I saw my results online before the scoresheets came in the mail.  A friend actualy told me first I had moved on to the second round when we were talking at a local brewpub.  Just saying that the scoresheet don't always arrive first.

This year's score sheets arrived here last Firday, for the record.
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: johnf on May 03, 2011, 12:29:44 PM
But the only way to alleviate that would be to not release any scoresheets until everyone is done, which I doubt would fly


You would also need to not announce the results at the judging site and otherwise not have them known by anyone other than the organizer (and trust that he won't tell his friends and clubmates, but let's get serious, he will).

How many people try to rebrew anyway? My club with Club of the Year a decade ago and some of the people who were around then look at me like I am stupid when I say I am rebrewing something for second round.
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: gordonstrong on May 03, 2011, 12:59:41 PM
How many people try to rebrew anyway? My club with Club of the Year a decade ago and some of the people who were around then look at me like I am stupid when I say I am rebrewing something for second round.

Just because you rebrew, doesn't mean you have to use it.  It gives you another option.  Pick the best of the two.  Or blend them for more options.  Judge and pick which one you think will do best.  It really depends on the style.  I took a gold with a rebrewed hefeweizen a couple years ago.  Wouldn't try to do it for a big beer.
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: hopfenundmalz on May 03, 2011, 01:42:44 PM
A friend rebrewed an APA and got a Gold one year.

Lagers are another that has a longer timeline.  Not enough time to rebrew and lager.  
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: jeffy on May 03, 2011, 02:44:09 PM
One of the beers I entered was a Belgian Strong Golden, which is all gone now.  It's making me nervous not knowing if I will have to rebrew it, but it is not in the schedule.  Perhaps I'll know soon.
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: 60minrest on May 03, 2011, 03:20:52 PM
This is my first year entering NHC and all I can say is... Is that the judging process needs to start a month earlier.  I was able to get a beer through to the second round, an Imperial IPA.  And now I am biting my nails hoping my rebrew will finish in time for the second round deadline.

Hoppy beers must be rebrewed in order to get the freshest beer possible. 

If the competition started a month earlier it would give everyone time to put out their best possible beer.

Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: jeffy on May 03, 2011, 03:29:05 PM
This is my first year entering NHC and all I can say is... Is that the judging process needs to start a month earlier.  I was able to get a beer through to the second round, an Imperial IPA.  And now I am biting my nails hoping my rebrew will finish in time for the second round deadline.
Hoppy beers must be rebrewed in order to get the freshest beer possible. 
If the competition started a month earlier it would give everyone time to put out their best possible beer.

OTOH if you have beer left from the original batch and don't intend to re-brew it may get stale or oxidized.  I am always surprised at the oxidation level of beers at the final round, especially the light lagers and pilseners.  Keep 'em in the fridge!
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: marty on May 03, 2011, 09:57:21 PM
You don't have to wait for results to rebrew. Can always rebrew your 1st round entries on a schedule so they'll be at their peak for the 2nd round. Generally about 6 weeks after you brew your 1st round entries.

If the NHC ever returns to the East Coast, and I don't have to worry about the 2nd round shipping, that is what I'll probably do
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: theDarkSide on May 04, 2011, 03:34:53 PM
Great...now judging is continuing until May 8th.   For the people in the crowd who have made second round before, what was the due by date in past years for 2nd round?  Wasn't it something like the end of May?

Let's just hope Janis has a chance to get the info to the people who move on in time to get there stuff together and shipped by the deadline.
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: Janis on May 04, 2011, 03:40:24 PM
Hi all,

As I was updating the NHC page with information this morning, an e-mail came in with new information, so the page has been updated with today's date, not Saturday's date.  This is still within the usual time frame for posting the winners lists in previous years.  It'll be tight, but I hope to have the results posted by tomorrow or Friday at the latest.

Cheers,
    Janis
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: centpa on May 04, 2011, 03:48:17 PM
Janis - thanks.   Any word on if they started getting scoresheets in the mail for everything they had already judged to this point, or were they sending all scoresheets out at once?  Any emailing of scores?
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: Janis on May 04, 2011, 03:50:46 PM
Janis - thanks.   Any word on if they started getting scoresheets in the mail for everything they had already judged to this point, or were they sending all scoresheets out at once?  Any emailing of scores?
Sorry, I don't know the answers to your questions.  My guess is that they have not sent any score sheets yet, but will get those in the mail on Saturday.

Cheers,
   Janis
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: bluesman on May 04, 2011, 04:26:32 PM
Hi all,

As I was updating the NHC page with information this morning, an e-mail came in with new information, so the page has been updated with today's date, not Saturday's date.  This is still within the usual time frame for posting the winners lists in previous years.  It'll be tight, but I hope to have the results posted by tomorrow or Friday at the latest.

Cheers,
    Janis

Janis...you are the best!  ;)
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: hopfenundmalz on May 04, 2011, 05:13:18 PM
Janis - thanks for the hard work this time of year!
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: marty on May 04, 2011, 09:50:41 PM
Any idea how the beer has been stored for a month? Entries bottled for a judging the first week in April might not be at their best on the 1st week of May if they've been stored hot.

Or what styles they've had to wait so long on? 
Mead - probably ok, Strong beers, spiced etc.. probably ok

Hefe - probably past it's prime. Whereas the Weizenbocks it is being judged against can handle the month a lot better. What could've been a 45 point category winning Hefe on April 2nd might be a 28 point one on May 4th. A 38 point Weizenbock on April 2nd is probably going to be just about the same on May 4th.

American Pales - not going to represent at a month past their prime as well as the Ambers and Browns they're judged against.

etc... I didn't enter either of those styles, just curious and wondering if things like this were considered
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: Janis on May 05, 2011, 03:07:00 AM
Hi Marty,

The entries have been stored properly in a refrigerated space.  The entries were judged starting with the categories with the most entries.  After that, I'm sure they were judged in the most logical and expeditious way.

Cheers,
   Janis
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: theDarkSide on May 05, 2011, 10:56:44 AM
Janis - thanks for the hard work this time of year!

I imagine Janis must feel like an Accountant at tax season around this time of the year.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: Janis on May 05, 2011, 07:41:19 PM
Janis - thanks for the hard work this time of year!

I imagine Janis must feel like an Accountant at tax season around this time of the year.

Thank you.
It does have that same feeling, but the threat of an IRS audit is replaced by the threat of a lynch mob of homebrewers.  JK, I know you guys wouldn't take it that far.

Cheers,
    Janis
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: bonjour on May 05, 2011, 08:08:42 PM
It does have that same feeling, but the threat of an IRS audit is replaced by the threat of a lynch mob of homebrewers.  JK, I know you guys wouldn't take it that far.
Only thru me Janis, we got you covered.
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: bovineblitz on May 17, 2011, 07:55:22 PM
Any word on scoresheet mailings yet?
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: Janis on May 17, 2011, 08:37:00 PM
Any word on scoresheet mailings yet?
Hi Bovineblitz,

I spoke to the organizer on Friday, and he said his plan was to do the mailing on Tuesday (today) and Wednesday of this week.  If that is the case, you should have score sheets by the end of this week.  I'll check in with the organizer to see how it is coming, and I'll post what I find out from him here.  Thanks for your patience through all of this.

Cheers,
   Janis
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: bovineblitz on May 18, 2011, 03:16:05 PM
Awesome, thanks Janis!
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: cskollmann on May 21, 2011, 04:07:47 PM
Got one of my score-sheets from Saratoga in the mail today, very happy with the feedback.  One question though, is it usual to not send score-sheets together for multiple entries?  I entered two beers and only got score-sheets for one of them, I thought both sets would come together...

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: Hokerer on May 21, 2011, 06:33:57 PM
Got one of my score-sheets from Saratoga in the mail today, very happy with the feedback.  One question though, is it usual to not send score-sheets together for multiple entries?  I entered two beers and only got score-sheets for one of them, I thought both sets would come together...

Cheers,
Chris

I would have thought they'd come together.  All the scoresheets for all of my entries came in one envelope, but then I was entered in the Nashville one.
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: theDarkSide on May 21, 2011, 06:43:17 PM
Got my scoresheets today...nothing advancing but I already knew that.

Got a 36 in American Barleywine...I'm pretty syched about that.  Especially since I still have a few bottle in the basement.
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: thomasbarnes on May 21, 2011, 08:08:11 PM
Sorry for the late hit on this, but FYI

Any idea how the beer has been stored for a month? Entries bottled for a judging the first week in April might not be at their best on the 1st week of May if they've been stored hot.

No problems with beer storage. It was kept refrigerated prior to competition and during competition (at least the first weekend).

Hefe - probably past it's prime.

German wheat and rye was one of the first styles to be judged. My wife and I judged both flights of German wheat and rye on Friday night and Saturday morning. Other than the problems of having to do a mini-BoS with recapped hefeweizens from the night before, enormous flights to judge and no stewards, there were no problems.

I was very worried that the mini-BoS hefeweizens from the Friday night session weren't going to be any good on Saturday, but I was wrong. We were careful to recap bottles immediately after judging and the temporary bottle caps worked splendidly. Our 1st and 2nd place beers both came from the Friday night session and survived being opened, recapped and put back into the refrigerator overnight.

Other beers I remember being judged on the first weekend include Amber Hybids, French & Belgian Ales, Specialty, Sour Beers, and I think American ales.
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: thomasbarnes on May 21, 2011, 08:11:17 PM
Got one of my score-sheets from Saratoga in the mail today, very happy with the feedback.  One question though, is it usual to not send score-sheets together for multiple entries?  I entered two beers and only got score-sheets for one of them, I thought both sets would come together...

Multiple scoresheets in one packet is the usual and most efficient practice, but the NE regional was neither usual nor efficient. It's quite likely that your entries weren't all judged at the same time, so you scoresheets weren't all in one place.
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: jeffy on May 21, 2011, 08:37:38 PM
Got one of my score-sheets from Saratoga in the mail today, very happy with the feedback.  One question though, is it usual to not send score-sheets together for multiple entries?  I entered two beers and only got score-sheets for one of them, I thought both sets would come together...

Cheers,
Chris

I would have thought they'd come together.  All the scoresheets for all of my entries came in one envelope, but then I was entered in the Nashville one.

I got extra score sheets in my envelope.  It's OK - I was able to forward them on to the proper entrant.
Title: Re: Judges Needed To Finish NHC 1st Round - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Help!
Post by: bluesman on May 22, 2011, 02:13:00 AM
I also got my score sheets today.  :)

They all came together.