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Title: Gone shooting
Post by: narcout on April 30, 2011, 11:35:51 PM
I haven't fired a handgun since I was 16 (which was 16 years ago), but my father-in-law took me to the range today.  Besides losing some of the skin on my thumb to a Glock breach, I think I did alright.  I put 50 rounds through a Charter Arms .38 snub nose revolver and 50 through a first-generation Glock 9mm.

(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/narcout/target.jpg)
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: weazletoe on April 30, 2011, 11:41:36 PM
Nice job. I'm not into guns, or hunting myself. I cretainly have nothing against either, just not into it. Was not raised hunting, or really around guns, besides a 22 to keep the varmints under control. My wife, Holly was raised in Idaho, and hunted deer and elk every season. Our anniversary is coming up the end of June. We were discussing gifts the other day. She asked me to get her a rifle and a compound bow.  :-\
  What did I marry!?!?
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: maxieboy on May 01, 2011, 12:03:12 AM
Nice job. I'm not into guns, or hunting myself. I cretainly have nothing against either, just not into it. Was not raised hunting, or really around guns, besides a 22 to keep the varmints under control. My wife, Holly was raised in Idaho, and hunted deer and elk every season. Our anniversary is coming up the end of June. We were discussing gifts the other day. She asked me to get her a rifle and a compound bow.  :-\
  What did I marry!?!?

She have a sister?  ;D

Time to hit the range myself, got a few new irons...  8)
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: weazletoe on May 01, 2011, 01:40:09 AM
Three of them, actually. But sorry to say, Holly is the only tomboy of the bunch. Gotta love a girl who knows how to gut a deer, but at the same time so femine, and girlie. Did I sccore or what?  ;D
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: Norm! on May 01, 2011, 02:11:57 AM
You married a "Dream Girl"  get out there and hunt together...It can be one of the most bonding times in life! plus Elk meat is so very very yummy!
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: jamminbrew on May 01, 2011, 02:41:10 AM
I went shooting with my brother a couple of weeks ago. We were both US Marines, but he was an expert sharpshooter, and he's a gunsmith to boot. I shot better than him, though I've not fired a gun in over 13 years. I out shot him with a .45, 9mm, and a 30-06 rifle. Needless to say, he was a little miffed. I calmed the waters with a few cold homebrews!
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: ccarlson on May 01, 2011, 04:38:35 AM
I haven't fired a handgun since I was 16 (which was 16 years ago), but my father-in-law took me to the range today.  Besides losing some of the skin on my thumb to a Glock breach, I think I did alright.  I put 50 rounds through a Charter Arms .38 snub nose revolver and 50 through a first-generation Glock 9mm.

(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/narcout/target.jpg)

You need some head shots. He could have been wearing a vest.
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: punatic on May 01, 2011, 09:50:59 AM
I got to put 10 rounds through an M107 this morning.  AAAAA OOOOO!

Hands down the most overwhelming weapon I've ever fired!  Git Some!
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: gordonstrong on May 01, 2011, 11:37:19 AM
The .50 cal sniper rifle or the 175mm SP gun?   ;)
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: nicneufeld on May 01, 2011, 12:20:07 PM
I got to put 10 rounds through an M107 this morning.  AAAAA OOOOO!

Hands down the most overwhelming weapon I've ever fired!  Git Some!

I trust you mean the Barrett and not this beast!!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/US_Army_M107_Howitzer.JPEG/300px-US_Army_M107_Howitzer.JPEG)

Ammo got expensive a few years back and my shooting hobby died on the vine a bit.  But .38 and 9mm are going to be some of the cheaper more readily available pistol centerfire, so I can see that being more affordable.
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: punatic on May 01, 2011, 04:50:51 PM
This one:

(http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/rifle/M107/M107_0.jpg)

Barrett .50 BMG (12.7 x 99mm)  M107 LRSR

I hear you about the cost of ammo.  That 10 round magazine cost about $50 to fire.  Worth every penny!

Even reloading has gotten expensive.
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: denny on May 01, 2011, 05:28:29 PM
Years ago, when I was in Boy Scouts, I was into target shooting with both rifles and bow and arrow.  Did some skeet shooting, too, but I never had any urge to hunt.  I liked developing the skills but I didn't want to kill anything.  I once accidentally hit a mourning dove with an arrow and cried for hours.
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: punatic on May 01, 2011, 05:35:34 PM
That's too cool Denny.  The first weapon I ever fired was a single shot .22 at Boy Scount camp.  I'm like you, I'm not a hunter, but I do love to shoot!  Bowling pins quiver at the mere mention of my name...
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: ccarlson on May 01, 2011, 05:42:05 PM
Hunting is a personal choice and I do very little of it anymore. There are, however, 2 types of people that bother me. Those that are against hunting and will tell you so, while they're chomping down on their steak.  And second, the hunters that will make statements like " I feel like killing something". Yes, I have have heard that more than once. When I did hunt, the killing part was never something I enjoyed.

That said, you can't beat grilled dove wrapped in bacon with a jalapeño inside.
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: tubercle on May 01, 2011, 06:00:08 PM
I haven't fired a handgun since I was 16 (which was 16 years ago), but my father-in-law took me to the range today.  Besides losing some of the skin on my thumb to a Glock breach, I think I did alright.  I put 50 rounds through a Charter Arms .38 snub nose revolver and 50 through a first-generation Glock 9mm.

(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/narcout/target.jpg)

 Decent grouping for center mass.

  Take it from a Class 2 & 3 L.E. firearms instructor and graduate of the Ft. Benning Sniper School... to close in the vertical stringing, watch your breath control. Breathing during the final stage of trigger advancement will cause that or waiting too long after the stop/hold (breath in, half out & hold) will also. After a few seconds of not breathing the heart will start beating harder and the transmitted core vibrations will be amplified to the hands. The sight alignment/trigger advancement/breath hold should be all be in synch.

 Raising the hand on the grip will tighten this up too if the top part of the web between the thumb and forefinger is not properly indexed..
 Milking the grip (squeezing with the whole hand instead of just the trigger finger) will also. Make sure that once the grip is established nothing changes except the trigger finger. No changes in the pressure of the rest on the hand/fingers.

  Assuming a right hand grip, the group can be centered back left (the sights are properly aligned?) by adding a little more trigger finger. Make sure the trigger finger is pulling straight back. Too little finger engagement with the trigger lever will cause the finger to "curl out" putting pressure on the side of the lever causing right movement during recoil; the opposite, too much finger if shooting left hand will cause a right drift.

 Not trying to criticize, just trying to help. The better you shoot the better you want to shoot.

50% of shooting is 95% mental preparation.

 Great overall. I wouldn't want them holes in me ;D

Keep up the good work. Just try to get that vertical string in more of a circle ;)  

  
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: jeffy on May 01, 2011, 06:37:56 PM
Pretty interesting info there, Mr. Tubercle.
I'm with Denny.  I aimed for and killed a bird once with a bb gun when I was about 13 or so and I don't think I've even held a gun since.
Why does it look like that target is the back of the man?  Doesn't that imply you're shooting a guy in the back for practice?
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: denny on May 01, 2011, 06:52:36 PM
I thought about that, too, Jeff.  If you're just shooting for practice or fun, why does it have to be the outline of a person you're shooting at?  If you were an LEO or military, i could see it....maybe.
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: ccarlson on May 01, 2011, 08:19:27 PM
The majority of people keep guns around for protection. I know I do. Cops are rarely available in a hurry, unless you happen to be outside a Dunkin Doughnut shop. Most criminals don't walk around with a bullseye painted on their chest. You learn to shoot at your intended target and pray that you never have to.  
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: punatic on May 01, 2011, 08:24:29 PM
So, PC stuff aside, what kind of weapons did you train with at Ft. Benning?
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: weazletoe on May 01, 2011, 08:36:33 PM

That said, you can't beat grilled dove wrapped in bacon with a jalapeño inside.

Could we please observe a moment of silence for this?   :-\
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: ccarlson on May 01, 2011, 08:46:18 PM

That said, you can't beat grilled dove wrapped in bacon with a jalapeño inside.

Could we please observe a moment of silence for this?   :-\

I never talk with my mouth full. :)
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: tubercle on May 01, 2011, 09:04:56 PM
So, PC stuff aside, what kind of weapons did you train with at Ft. Benning?

M-24, M-16 & Mini-14 selective fire at Ft. Benning. When I was a L.E., I was a sniper (AKA "Team Threat Control" to be politically correct) on the S.W.A.T team. I still have the Remingtion 700 built by the Remington custom shop. One sweet baby ;D Consistently 1/2 MOA. We practiced daily at 300, 600, 800 & 1000 meters and had a "running combat course" @ 100 meter. That was fun! Qualified with 18 out of 24 in a 24" bull @ 1000 meters. Talk about pressure!

Our Motto: "If you run, you'll only die tired".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M24_Sniper_Weapon_System

M-P5 & 1911A1 @ Camp LeJune through their 2 week civilian law enforcement training  program

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_MP5

Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: narcout on May 02, 2011, 01:04:48 AM
Not trying to criticize, just trying to help. The better you shoot the better you want to shoot.

Thanks for the tips. I'm really just a beginner, so there's a lot for me to learn (I actually had to google "vertical stringing"). I did download the U.S. Army Pistol Marksmanship Training Guide yesterday.

Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: dean on May 02, 2011, 02:10:26 AM
Gotta say I love shooting rifles, always have.  I've only shot a pistol a few times and my shooting sucked.  My preferred weapon has always been a shotgun though... whether hunting or any other reason.  If I owned an AA12, I don't know what could make me happier at least in the sense of owning and using a firearm.  Check it out...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c    Take a chill pill before you watch it if you're easily excited.  ;)   

I would like to have a .50 cal too but I probably couldn't afford to shoot it and as much wilderness as there is here in MI... there aren't that many wide open space to really test my ability for accuracy with something that big... 500 to 700 yards is about the longest clear shot in my neck of the woods.
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: punatic on May 02, 2011, 03:01:09 AM
Not trying to criticize, just trying to help. The better you shoot the better you want to shoot.

Thanks for the tips. I'm really just a beginner, so there's a lot for me to learn (I actually had to google "vertical stringing"). I did download the U.S. Army Pistol Marksmanship Training Guide yesterday.



I got better by banging away with brick after brick after brick of .22 ammo.   The skills translate up to larger calibers pretty well- for the most part. 

Although, even .22 ammo is going up in price too.

I just like anything that goes BOOM.   ;D
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: ccarlson on May 02, 2011, 03:32:19 AM
Guess we won't be needing this target anymore.
(http://www.evike.com/download/targets/airsoft_target002.jpg)
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: nicneufeld on May 02, 2011, 04:29:20 PM
My preferred weapon has always been a shotgun though... whether hunting or any other reason.  If I owned an AA12, I don't know what could make me happier at least in the sense of owning and using a firearm. 

While not an AA12, the Saiga IZ-109 (if I have that number right) is an extremely "fun" shotgun!  Recoil isn't too bad, sights line up nicely, and 10 round stick magazines are sweet!  They have 20rd drum mags but they are quite costly.  Mine is officially "converted" with a number of made in USA parts, but I haven't done the full pistol grip conversion yet.  I do have a Dinzag Arms bayonet lug mounted, though!  A bayonet certainly ramps up the "mean".  Its essentially a very large Kalashnikov action, and feeds extremely reliably in my experience.  Never much cared for that huge AK safety lever, though.

Also, check out the new Kel-Tec KSG shotgun.  Bullpup layout with twin selectable underbarrel tube mags...pump action as opposed to gas operated like the Saiga. Clever little design, as is usually the case with George Kelgren and crew.  My advice with Kel-Tec is to avoid getting the first revision off the production line, unless you don't mind sending it home, but my 3 Kel-Tecs (P3AT, PF9, PLR16) are great firearms.
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: EHall on May 02, 2011, 05:19:49 PM
'I just like anything that goes BOOM.'

tuburcle, I feel the same way, I just got this: conspiracyx0.tripod.com/weapons2/454.htm

Very big boom and still easy to handle!
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: 1vertical on May 05, 2011, 05:27:03 AM
Tannerite is a BLAST!
Title: Re: Gone shooting
Post by: Pinski on May 05, 2011, 06:10:05 AM
I just took my new .40 S&W to the range last Friday. Had a blast. Need to learn the proper grip and get consistent.