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Title: Beersmith
Post by: jamminbrew on May 02, 2011, 02:44:42 AM
Any one use the Beersmith program? Is it worthwhile? Pros/cons?
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: tygo on May 02, 2011, 02:53:48 AM
I use it. I like it.  But try it out for yourself.  They offer a 21 day free trial.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: Hokerer on May 02, 2011, 03:05:38 AM
I tried out the free trials of both Beersmith and ProMash and ended up going with BeerSmith.  Been working for me for a couple years now.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: theDarkSide on May 02, 2011, 03:42:19 PM
I've used both and like beersmith better.  I particularly like the feature where you can enter grains by % and scale down to a homebrew size recipe.  Very handy when you get a recipe from a commercial brewer who gives you percentages.  Promash may do this as well but I haven't bothered to look.

Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: JKL on May 02, 2011, 04:05:01 PM
I've never used Promash, I'm sure they are both similar.  I'm still running an old version of Beersmith I bought 6(?) years ago and I don't think I'd try to brew without it.  For the price you definetly get your $$ worth.  It makes building recipes so easy.  By far, one of the best tools that I've purchased for brewing. 
-J.K.L.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: Beer Monger on May 02, 2011, 04:09:03 PM
I tried out the free trials of both Beersmith and ProMash and ended up going with BeerSmith.  Been working for me for a couple years now.
Same, but I've only had Beersmith for 2 batches.  I really like it so far. 
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: morticaixavier on May 02, 2011, 04:20:27 PM
I've only used Beersmith for a couple of batches also and I do like it. Havn't tried other softwares but...
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: BarleynYeast on May 02, 2011, 04:42:50 PM
I tried all the software available about 3 years ago and bought Beersmith. I really like it, it’s very easy to use and it made a big difference in my brews. I have heard rumors there is a brand new version coming out real soon, so I would use the free trial and wait to see what will happen as far as upgrade or new price will be.   
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: colinhayes on May 02, 2011, 07:33:28 PM
It's awesome, and the 21 day trial might last you until version 2.0 comes out...
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: cheba420 on May 02, 2011, 07:36:03 PM
When I went all grain, I bought beer smith. It's worked great. Very intuitive and easy to learn.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: wingnut on May 03, 2011, 02:11:51 AM
I spend my first three years of allgrain brewing creating my own software from Excel spread sheets and Visual Basic Macros.  It worked good... and then I found Beer Smith last year...

It does everything and even though it seems a bit overwhelming when you first open it... they have video tutorials that step you right through how to do everything.  It is fantastic software, and feels much better to use than Promash.  It also has a lot of features that I use... like mash schedules, auto brew day sheet creation, scaling from all grain to extract and back.

Try the 21 day trial...watch the tutorials, and import the recipies to play around with... enjoy.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: mxstar21 on May 03, 2011, 05:47:52 AM
Beersmith is awesome!  I would wait to buy it though.  Version 2 should come out in June.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: BarleynYeast on May 03, 2011, 02:46:50 PM
I just receved this this in an E-Mail from Brad at BeerSmith

I’m targeting an early June release date for BeerSmith 2.0 – before the AHA National Homebrewer Conference in mid-June.  I will be announcing pricing for the new version within the next two weeks, and pre-orders will also open at that time.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: tygo on May 03, 2011, 02:55:14 PM
Nice, I'm looking forward to the upgrade.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: bonjour on May 03, 2011, 03:43:56 PM
http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2011/05/02/beersmith-2-0-a-first-look/ (http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2011/05/02/beersmith-2-0-a-first-look/)
Brad Smith's BeerSmith Blog
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: weithman5 on May 03, 2011, 04:00:20 PM
i am currently torn between brewsmith, and a free website called brew smarts.  i also have been using brewpal app on my i phone.  i like all three of them. it is just a matter of getting the printouts right that i can play with and modify.  i usually do my own calculations on top./
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: BrewingRover on May 03, 2011, 04:24:33 PM
http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2011/05/02/beersmith-2-0-a-first-look/ (http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2011/05/02/beersmith-2-0-a-first-look/)
Brad Smith's BeerSmith Blog
Thanks Fred, that looks really nice. I think the new interface will take a little getting used to, but it looks like it will be a big improvement.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: kgs on May 03, 2011, 08:12:31 PM
http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2011/05/02/beersmith-2-0-a-first-look/ (http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2011/05/02/beersmith-2-0-a-first-look/)
Brad Smith's BeerSmith Blog

A Mac version too! One reason I still have an old PC at home is because of Beersmith. Looks like one less reason to hang on to it. I also like the forthcoming add-on manager--my biggest peeve with Beersmith is add-on management.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: beersk on May 03, 2011, 08:27:52 PM
I also use BeerSmith, it's a good one; no issue with it so far.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: bonjour on May 19, 2011, 06:10:34 PM
Brad just announced BeerSmith 2.0 Release date (Mid June)
This software runs on both MAC and PC.  I have been beta testing it and it is awesome, even compared to the earlier version.
Details here:
 http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2011/05/19/beersmith-2-release-date-pricing-and-preorder/
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: theDarkSide on May 19, 2011, 06:19:29 PM
$16.95 for existing Beersmith users until the launch at NHC...I can live with that. 
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: bluesman on May 19, 2011, 06:35:26 PM
Sorry...late out of the gate but I want to give two mugs up for Beersmith!

It's saved me on brewday more than a few times. Looking forward to the new release.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: tygo on May 19, 2011, 06:43:59 PM
Good deal.  I'll definitely be upgrading.  I hope I have my product registration key for 1.4 somewhere in my email at home... 
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: bonjour on May 19, 2011, 06:47:29 PM
Good deal.  I'll definitely be upgrading.  I hope I have my product registration key for 1.4 somewhere in my email at home... 
If you don't have it there is a good chance that Brad has it.  Did you order online?  Then I'm sure he has it.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: tschmidlin on May 19, 2011, 06:47:38 PM
If you're already running 1.4, open it and go to the help tab, click "enter registration key".  It's right there.

Now if only he'd offer a discount on the kindle edition of the book for loyal users. :)
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: Hokerer on May 19, 2011, 06:49:08 PM
Hmm, I've got my original copy/key I bought a ways back plus a CD Rom version/key that was some recent comp swag.  Upgrade both or just one?  Decisions, decisions...
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: tschmidlin on May 19, 2011, 06:53:11 PM
Hmm, I've got my original copy/key I bought a ways back plus a CD Rom version/key that was some recent comp swag.  Upgrade both or just one?  Decisions, decisions...
If it was recent enough, you might qualify for a free upgrade.  Check out the website.  I don't know if it will apply to prizes though.

http://www.beersmith.com/blog/recent-discount/
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: Beer Monger on May 19, 2011, 06:54:14 PM
I submitted my info for the free upgrade.  :) 
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: tygo on May 19, 2011, 06:59:02 PM
If you're already running 1.4, open it and go to the help tab, click "enter registration key".  It's right there.

Excellent, thanks.  Pre-order completed!
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: tschmidlin on May 19, 2011, 07:01:27 PM
If you're already running 1.4, open it and go to the help tab, click "enter registration key".  It's right there.

Excellent, thanks.  Pre-order completed!
mine too, that's how I knew where to find it. :)
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: Hokerer on May 19, 2011, 07:26:41 PM
Hmm, I've got my original copy/key I bought a ways back plus a CD Rom version/key that was some recent comp swag.  Upgrade both or just one?  Decisions, decisions...
If it was recent enough, you might qualify for a free upgrade.  Check out the website.  I don't know if it will apply to prizes though.

http://www.beersmith.com/blog/recent-discount/

Well, not that recent (on/after 15 Feb 2011).  Oh well
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: denny on May 19, 2011, 08:36:18 PM
I really need to find time to sit down and spend some time getting acquainted with Beersmith.  I've looked at it quickly a few times, but I get frustrated and end up just going back to Promash.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: maxieboy on May 19, 2011, 09:50:48 PM
Sweet! Free upgrade. 1.4 was ordered on 3.19.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: rjharper on May 20, 2011, 03:04:23 AM
Sweet! Free upgrade.

+1 :)
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: darkmorford on May 20, 2011, 04:40:01 AM
Just bought it, got the pre-order discount. The fact that BS2 will work on the Mac and PC got me to pull the trigger. Now to get used to the first version while I wait a month for the second...
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: theDarkSide on May 20, 2011, 01:22:06 PM
Just preordered my upgrade.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: weithman5 on May 20, 2011, 01:39:51 PM
i have tried the trial versions of beersmith, promash, brewers workshop. i have tinkered with the hbd recipator.  i have used the brewsmarts website and app that is free and the brew pal iphone app.  i like to use them to get rough ideas, but mostly to print out the base recipe that i can take notes on.  i still tend to do all my calcs by hand.  i guess my question, is what am i missing by not having a software like beersmith or promash?
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: bonjour on May 20, 2011, 02:42:39 PM
i have tried the trial versions of beersmith, promash, brewers workshop. i have tinkered with the hbd recipator.  i have used the brewsmarts website and app that is free and the brew pal iphone app.  i like to use them to get rough ideas, but mostly to print out the base recipe that i can take notes on.  i still tend to do all my calcs by hand.  i guess my question, is what am i missing by not having a software like beersmith or promash?
Software provides a way to record your brews and to perform the calculations relating grains, hops, and yeast to results.  Knowing how to do this by hand is awesome.  It means you likely have a very good understanding of the process and its intricacies. 

In the end it is a preference. 
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: Hokerer on May 20, 2011, 02:43:05 PM
i still tend to do all my calcs by hand.  i guess my question, is what am i missing by not having a software like beersmith or promash?

The biggest benefit to me is when tweaking recipes.  When tweaking, I'm constantly adjusting malt/hop/etc. amounts and varieties and can instantly see how a particular change affects the OG, IBU, SRM, etc.  No way would I try to calculate those values by hand for every permutation.

Plenty of other benefits, but I consider that the biggest from my perspective.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: micsager on May 20, 2011, 03:18:45 PM
i still tend to do all my calcs by hand.  i guess my question, is what am i missing by not having a software like beersmith or promash?

The biggest benefit to me is when tweaking recipes.  When tweaking, I'm constantly adjusting malt/hop/etc. amounts and varieties and can instantly see how a particular change affects the OG, IBU, SRM, etc.  No way would I try to calculate those values by hand for every permutation.

Plenty of other benefits, but I consider that the biggest from my perspective.


+1 -

I just pre-ordered Beersmith 2.0.  Hope it's as good as the original.......
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: bonjour on May 20, 2011, 03:20:39 PM
I just pre-ordered Beersmith 2.0.  Hope it's as good as the original.......
IMHO

Better
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: micsager on May 20, 2011, 03:46:15 PM
I just pre-ordered Beersmith 2.0.  Hope it's as good as the original.......
IMHO

Better

So you must be a beta tester.  Can you share what you like about it that is better?
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: bonjour on May 20, 2011, 04:05:20 PM
1.  MAC users now have a choice, Of course runs on a wide variety of Windows platforms.

2. Tabbed and Windowed Browsing
One of the biggest features brewers wanted was a way to work on more than one recipe or tool at a time.  After all, you can open a bunch of web pages in your web browser – why not your brewing software?  So I added tabbed and windowed browsing to BeerSmith 2.0.  You can open any recipe, tool or item in a tab or in a separate window and work on it the way you want.  Want to work on three recipes at a time?  No problem – they will open in three different tabs.  Have multiple monitors?  You can open as many windows as you like and spread them across all your screens.

3. Built for expansion.  Want to take notes? now they are unlimited

4. Easy addon's - additional grains etc.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: micsager on May 20, 2011, 04:10:29 PM
1.  MAC users now have a choice, Of course runs on a wide variety of Windows platforms.

2. Tabbed and Windowed Browsing
One of the biggest features brewers wanted was a way to work on more than one recipe or tool at a time.  After all, you can open a bunch of web pages in your web browser – why not your brewing software?  So I added tabbed and windowed browsing to BeerSmith 2.0.  You can open any recipe, tool or item in a tab or in a separate window and work on it the way you want.  Want to work on three recipes at a time?  No problem – they will open in three different tabs.  Have multiple monitors?  You can open as many windows as you like and spread them across all your screens.

3. Built for expansion.  Want to take notes? now they are unlimited

4. Easy addon's - additional grains etc.


You added?  Are you the developer of Beersmith? 
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: bonjour on May 20, 2011, 04:19:33 PM
You added?  Are you the developer of Beersmith? 
No
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: bonjour on May 20, 2011, 05:03:47 PM
The biggest benefit to me is when tweaking recipes.  When tweaking, I'm constantly adjusting malt/hop/etc. amounts and varieties and can instantly see how a particular change affects the OG, IBU, SRM, etc.  No way would I try to calculate those values by hand for every permutation.

Plenty of other benefits, but I consider that the biggest from my perspective.
I tend to tweak a lot when I'm putting my recipes together too.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: micsager on May 20, 2011, 05:36:02 PM
The biggest benefit to me is when tweaking recipes.  When tweaking, I'm constantly adjusting malt/hop/etc. amounts and varieties and can instantly see how a particular change affects the OG, IBU, SRM, etc.  No way would I try to calculate those values by hand for every permutation.

Plenty of other benefits, but I consider that the biggest from my perspective.
I tend to tweak a lot when I'm putting my recipes together too.
+1

That's why I love beersmith.  Has anyone used the new version yet?  Any words of wisdom?
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: bonjour on May 20, 2011, 05:46:41 PM
The new version, 2.0, is in the final stages of Beta Test, scheduled for release mid-June
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: micsager on May 20, 2011, 06:26:29 PM
The new version, 2.0, is in the final stages of Beta Test, scheduled for release mid-June

Yep, I just pre-ordered.  I was wondering if any of the testers are on this board, and if they are allowed to say anything about the product. 
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: bonjour on May 20, 2011, 06:41:09 PM
I am a tester, but everything I've talked about has been published.  Most of it was cut and paste.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: tschmidlin on May 20, 2011, 07:24:04 PM
You know what I really hope is included?  Better handling of decoctions.  I may be using it wrong, but it doesn't seem to understand that when you pull a decoction you now have two different mashes at different temps and you're doing different things to each.  It's kind of a pain, so I fill up the notes section with instructions for the decoctions.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: bkreiter on May 21, 2011, 09:47:07 PM
I've been playing around with the trial. I love it and I'm addicted to it! I pre-ordered 2.0 today and can use 1.4 until the new version is released in June. I spent six hours today playing around with recipes... I love it. It allows me to do things that I would never have had the time to do because it does all the calculating. You can also visualize how one addition or subtraction will change the potential outcome. Thinking of cost/benefit, this is probably the best addition to my brewing arsenal.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: rightasrain on May 27, 2011, 08:21:57 PM
Beersmith is awesome!  I would wait to buy it though.  Version 2 should come out in June.

If you buy a pre-order of the software you get a free copy of the previous version to use until it comes out.

I'm pretty new to brewing but I like his book so far " Homebrewing with beersmith". He is good at explaining the whole process even the complicated math equations and figuring out these calculations with other methods if you don't understand the math. I only have a few books that came with my homebrewing kit, so not a lot to compare it to but I'm halfway and like it a lot more than the others I have read.

I also have a lot of respect for Dr. Smith. Although he does promote his software in the book he tells you how you could do it without the software. Several times its quoted as saying something similiar to: Beersmith software will show you the best hops to use for a recipe, or just do a google search for a hops chart.

Just out of curiosity has anyone used it with wine in a linux enviroment? I have mac but mostly use linux and try to avoid wine but I guess since it has a trial I could try it out.


Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: mxstar21 on June 02, 2011, 06:41:35 AM
I am so excited for the new version to come out.  I love the old edition, and the new one sounds great.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: bonjour on June 02, 2011, 12:00:15 PM
While it is not specifically designed for Wine, there are beta testers in that environment.
Brad is considering a Linux specific version after launch.

For anyone thinking of buying, buy pre-launch for the reduced prices.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: jeffy on June 02, 2011, 01:21:22 PM
I bought it a week or so ago and loaded it up on my pc, but it doesn't load onto my Mac.  Is this one of the new features or should it already work on both?
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: glastctbrew on June 02, 2011, 01:32:09 PM
I bought it a week or so ago and loaded it up on my pc, but it doesn't load onto my Mac.  Is this one of the new features or should it already work on both?

You have to wait for 2.0 for the Mac version.  v1.4 is strictly PC.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: jeffy on June 02, 2011, 01:41:41 PM
I bought it a week or so ago and loaded it up on my pc, but it doesn't load onto my Mac.  Is this one of the new features or should it already work on both?

You have to wait for 2.0 for the Mac version.  v1.4 is strictly PC.
Thanks.  That's what I was hoping.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: Tony H. on June 03, 2011, 05:31:06 PM
Everything works great in Wine except for the print function.  Your best bet, and this is what I do, load up Virtualbox (or whatever flavor of VMware you prefer) and load Winderz up as a VM.  You will get the full functionality of Beersmith and other winderz programs without tarnishing a beautiful computer with a M$ operating system :P

Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on June 04, 2011, 10:34:43 PM
While it is not specifically designed for Wine, there are beta testers in that environment.
Brad is considering a Linux specific version after launch.

For anyone thinking of buying, buy pre-launch for the reduced prices.
Thank you Fred.
I would LOVE to run in natively in Linux but if it is fully functional thru WINE I will consider it.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: rightasrain on June 05, 2011, 12:28:06 AM
I ended up trying 1.4 in wine the other day. I can live without the print function and the rest of it worked great when I added a few recipes and even a hops that wasn't listed. I ended up pre-ording 2.0. I'm excited for it to come out.

Although I would love to see a fully functional linux version  ;)  ;)
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: theDarkSide on June 07, 2011, 12:39:54 PM
Available for download on June 10th.

He should put a "24" style clock on his website, complete with the sounds.


http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2011/06/06/countdown-to-beersmith-2-10-june-launch/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BeersmithcomHomeBrewingBlog+%28BeerSmith.com+Home+Brewing+Blog%29
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: bluesman on June 09, 2011, 01:33:22 AM
I pre-ordered Beersmith 2 yesterday. Looking forward to a renewed version. I have faith in Brad and the crew.  ;)

Beersmith has helped me through many a brewday and hopefully many more to come. Thanks!

Only 1 day to go!
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: rabid_dingo on June 09, 2011, 02:25:23 AM
Yay! I cannot wait. I must brew just to, "break it in."  ;D
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: Tim McManus on June 10, 2011, 04:14:35 PM
Which one of you killed the Beersmith site?   ??? ;D

I was stalking it for the release, and now the site won't load.

Must...download...new....Beersmith....
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: BrewingRover on June 10, 2011, 04:24:41 PM
Which one of you killed the Beersmith site?   ??? ;D

I was stalking it for the release, and now the site won't load.

Must...download...new....Beersmith....

I was wondering if he was going to have the capacity for a release like this. Looks like not  >:( Oh well, I'm in the middle of a double brewday so I can wait.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: bobjohnson on June 10, 2011, 05:12:05 PM
Which one of you killed the Beersmith site?   ??? ;D

I was stalking it for the release, and now the site won't load.

Must...download...new....Beersmith....

Me too.   Kind of like what we were told would happen on Jan 1 2000.   I watched the clock on the site count down.  It hung up at 1 second, tried to refresh the page and then nothing. 

Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: dcbc on June 10, 2011, 06:28:21 PM
I got my registration number last night for the update.  I know it will still require a working website, but with that number do you just update it through your existing software or is it an update download that installs over what you have?
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: denny on June 10, 2011, 06:36:28 PM
backup server at http://beersmith1.com/
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: BrewingRover on June 10, 2011, 06:45:02 PM
I got my registration number last night for the update.  I know it will still require a working website, but with that number do you just update it through your existing software or is it an update download that installs over what you have?
It's a whole new program. I just finished downloading and it installs to a new location, warning oyu not to install in the same folder as version 1.4. Looking forward to playing with it once batch #2 is chilling.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: bonjour on June 10, 2011, 06:54:16 PM
From Brad
http://www.beersmith.com/forum/index.php?topic=4600.new#new

The text of the topic is shown below:

Quote
All,
 We launched BeerSmith 2 today which is a major milestone! - the quickest way to download it is from our temporary download server here:

 http://www.beersmith1.com

 During the launch I did experience a web outage for about 2-1/2 hours primarily due to excessive traffic.  I did try to prevent this by setting up the alternate server on my web host but (due to bad luck) the alternate server decided to have hardware problems over the last 24 hours, ruining my carefully laid plans.

 For the moment things are back up and running - I do apologize for the outage.

Brad
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: rabid_dingo on June 12, 2011, 06:57:20 AM
Wow! I just downloaded it and I am loving it so far...
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: rustynails on June 12, 2011, 01:58:00 PM
I downloaded v.2, and played with it for awhile. It appears to be a great program. I started with ProMash many years ago, but tried the trial of Beersmith and found it had features that Promash did not. However, the inverse was true, also. I feel that I will find the same thing with v.2.
Each program has it's strong points, and I would be happy with any of them if they were the only program I had. However, like all programs, they can only work within the limits set by the creator. They are only tools, and no one tool is meant for all jobs. I find the creative juices flow best with a pencil and paper, and the documents I have collected over the years and keep in a 3 ring binder. I then finalize my recipe using one of the programs.
But, that's only me.
Beersmith v.2 will be a great tool, and I am glad I have it.
Title: Re: Beersmith
Post by: rayallen on June 15, 2011, 08:57:57 PM
Ive just started using Beersmith and love it.