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Title: It's Started Already...
Post by: hamiltont on May 02, 2011, 01:30:55 PM
 I was busy Friday night so the Wifey set out for a walk on her own. A few minutes later she was back. “There’s a snake on the road!” It was about a block from our house. (We live out in the country on a gravel road) I grabbed the closest thing I could find, a broom and went down the road and there it was, curled up in the middle. Yep, a rattle snake about 3 feet long. I whacked it a few times & brought it home & shared it with the Wifey. Not impressed! 

We used to walk the ditches & pick up beer cans & rubbish until we realized there were Rattle Snakes out here. Now it's down the middle of the road.  I've lost count of how many I've actually killed... Anyone else have have to deal with Rattle Snakes or other venomous snakes?  Cheers!!!
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Post by: tumarkin on May 02, 2011, 01:39:28 PM
when you say "shared it with the Wifey. Not impressed!"  how did you prepare it??
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Post by: hamiltont on May 02, 2011, 01:56:07 PM
when you say "shared it with the Wifey. Not impressed!"  how did you prepare it??

That's a good one.  I would have BBQ'd of course but in this case it was just "Show & Tell", hanging over the broom handle.  I doubt she'll ever touch that broom again.  In fact she did say. "You're going to buy a new broom, right?" Cheers!!!
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Post by: stlaleman on May 02, 2011, 01:58:43 PM
Rattlesnake is best deep fried, served with an American Pale Ale and cole slaw.
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Post by: jeffy on May 02, 2011, 02:00:56 PM
Too many little bones.
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Post by: punatic on May 02, 2011, 02:23:57 PM
I used to live in Central Florida.  There are poisonous snakes there on 6' centers.  There are no snakes here in Hawaii.  That has taken some getting used to.   Even after nearly 15 years of hiking in the boonies here, I still get the heebie-jeebies walking through tall grass and bush.  Old experiences hang on.

I had a coworker who is American Indian.  We were talking about snakes when I lived in Florida.  I told him every time i lifted something up, moved something in the yard, went fishing from a lake or river bank I would run into a poisonous snake (water moccasins are meaner than tiger spit).  My coworker asked me what I did when I encountered a snake.  I told him I killed every one I could.  He said that that was the problem.  He said the snakes know who I am and were taking my aggression personally.  He told me that snakes were there first and I was the intruder.  He told me if I left the snakes alone when I encountered them, and let them go on their way unharmed, they would leave me alone too.  I would see fewer snakes if I let them be.

So I tried it and it worked.  It took a while, but I definetly saw a decline in snake encounters (even before I moved to Hawaii).
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Post by: corkybstewart on May 02, 2011, 04:12:12 PM
We live in the country in southeast New Mexico and there are plenty of big fat rattlers around, but we've never found one at our house in the 20 years we've lived here.  We do have plenty of king snakes and bull snakes so they must keep the nasty ones away.  When we had horses there was a huge fat bull snake that lived in our hay barn.  After a few times of him scaring the crap out of us we got used to him, even my daughter didn't mind stepping over him.
I have an employee who lives a couple of miles from us who has lots of problems with rattlesnakes in his yard, and he has 2 little kids.
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Post by: denny on May 02, 2011, 04:16:01 PM
I've always heard that no poisonous snakes live in western OR.  In my nearly 40 years here, I've never seen one.
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Post by: ccarlson on May 02, 2011, 04:19:10 PM
I've always heard that no poisonous snakes live in western OR.  In my nearly 40 years here, I've never seen one.

I hope they were good, well informed, friends that told you that. :)
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Post by: euge on May 02, 2011, 04:29:43 PM
Occasionally we'll see a grass-snake but the rattlers are people-shy and stay out of populated areas.
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Post by: tschmidlin on May 02, 2011, 05:01:52 PM
I've always heard that no poisonous snakes live in western OR.  In my nearly 40 years here, I've never seen one.
There might be some Western Rattlers (Northern Pacific Rattlesnakes) in your area Denny, but probably not too many.  In Washington they're more common east of the Cascades, but I believe they range to the west of the Cascades in OR.  Check out this map.
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~titus/herp/oreganus.html
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Post by: alikocho on May 02, 2011, 10:55:29 PM
Snakes freak me out, and it's things like this that make me glad I live somewhere with limited snakes. Over here we have two varieties, one of which is venomous but not seriously so and not that common(Adder).

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Post by: hamiltont on May 03, 2011, 01:28:36 PM
Too many little bones.

Na, Just cook it until it's "Fall off the Bone" tender.  :D
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Post by: thirsty on May 03, 2011, 01:47:12 PM
Very few deadly animals is one of the things I like about the northeast.
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Post by: bluesman on May 03, 2011, 01:54:55 PM
My wife is deathly afraid of snakes. I can't even utter the word. I get a chuckle every year when I find some snakes in my garden. She won't go in the garden after that.

We have copperheads and water moccasins on the East Coast....but not in my garden  ;) Thank God.
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Post by: Slowbrew on May 03, 2011, 02:01:59 PM
Here in southern Iowa we have a couple breeds of rattlers.  A friend sent me pictures of a 5' Diamond Back he shot on his acreage last year.  I asked him if he was going to eat it and he looked at me with a horror on his face the likes I've not seen often.  I guess it's an acquired taste.  :)

Generally we leave them alone and they leave us alone.

Paul

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Post by: pfooti on May 03, 2011, 02:18:47 PM
A while back, when I was a young potato, I investigated venomous snakes and snakebites. I was just starting to get into backpacking and other backcountry activities, and wanted to be prepared. I found this USFS report on snakes, snakebites, and readiness. A few key factors were:


It's that last bullet that's most telling. The report actually had the phrase "drunken male yahooism" in it as a reason why that statistic might exist. If I were going to lie with statistics, I'd say that snakes like drunk people. But for truth, it probably helps support Punatic's point: most snakes (not all) aren't all that interested in biting people, provided you leave them alone.
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Post by: Pinski on May 03, 2011, 02:26:39 PM
I've always heard that no poisonous snakes live in western OR.  In my nearly 40 years here, I've never seen one.
There might be some Western Rattlers (Northern Pacific Rattlesnakes) in your area Denny, but probably not too many.  In Washington they're more common east of the Cascades, but I believe they range to the west of the Cascades in OR.  Check out this map.
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~titus/herp/oreganus.html
Yeah, there's not many here but they are around.  A kid got bit a couple years ago on Spencer's Butte in Eugene. Western Rattler.
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Post by: weithman5 on May 03, 2011, 02:39:48 PM
Rattlesnake is best deep fried, served with an American Pale Ale and cole slaw.

this is a favorite dish - except the rattlesnake part

My coworker asked me what I did when I encountered a snake.  I told him I killed every one I could.  He said that that was the problem.  He said the snakes know who I am and were taking my aggression personally.  He told me that snakes were there first and I was the intruder.  He told me if I left the snakes alone when I encountered them, and let them go on their way unharmed, they would leave me alone too.  I would see fewer snakes if I let them be.

So I tried it and it worked.  It took a while, but I definetly saw a decline in snake encounters (even before I moved to Hawaii).


maybe it is just because you killed them all ;D
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Post by: tumarkin on May 03, 2011, 02:40:13 PM
here in FL we've got bunches of snakes. including all kinds of non-native species that people have let go and have 'gone native' here. I'm sure you've all seen web pics of the exploding python that ate the alligator. more of the craziness that is FL. at least they're all edible.
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Post by: speed on May 05, 2011, 02:58:53 AM
if you see bull snakes leave them alone, they kill mices and you know what mices like.
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Post by: morticaixavier on May 05, 2011, 05:01:15 AM
Leave 'em all alone! Dude, You walked into the house, found a broom, walked down the road and beat a snake to death and you didn't even eat it? not cool. I'm sorry but it's one thing if it's moving in on your kids (Which really doesn't happen) or even living under your house and you come across it sitting on your drive way but to go out of your way to kill another living being and then not even have the respect to eat it afterwords just seems wrong to me. Sorry to rant, I am sure you are not a bad person but do think about these actions. If for no other reason than because that rattle snake would eat many many rodents that would be much more likely to attack you unprovoked than that rattler ever was. And with all the diseases and bacteria that rodents can harbor and spread around killing that rattler has made your neighborhood a little less safe.

Guess that is partly why I am a vegetarian.
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Post by: majorvices on May 05, 2011, 07:02:21 AM
The mountain I live on is nicknames "rattlesnake mountain" for a very good reason. It is loaded with rattlesnakes. For the most part I have found rattlesnakes to be extremely passive. As long as you don't step directly on them you won't likely ever get bit,

That said, I do have dogs and kids so if I find one close to the house I try to remove it. My neighbor will catch and release them. If he is not around I get the hoe and take care of it in a more violent way. Nothing I ever enjoy doing, that;s for sure. They are very beneficial creatures.

That said, if you really dislike poisonous snakes keep a few black racers around. They will actually eat other poisonous snakes.
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Post by: hamiltont on May 05, 2011, 01:42:29 PM
Leave 'em all alone! Dude, You walked into the house, found a broom, walked down the road and beat a snake to death and you didn't even eat it? not cool. I'm sorry but it's one thing if it's moving in on your kids (Which really doesn't happen) or even living under your house and you come across it sitting on your drive way but to go out of your way to kill another living being and then not even have the respect to eat it afterwords just seems wrong to me. Sorry to rant, I am sure you are not a bad person but do think about these actions. If for no other reason than because that rattle snake would eat many many rodents that would be much more likely to attack you unprovoked than that rattler ever was. And with all the diseases and bacteria that rodents can harbor and spread around killing that rattler has made your neighborhood a little less safe.

Guess that is partly why I am a vegetarian.

To each their own "Dude". If I see a Rattler it's dead. We have plenty of Bull Snakes & stray cats to take care of the mice. It's one less chance to be bitten in my mind. Really not sure what being a vegetarian has to do with it though?  Cheers!!!
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Post by: ccarlson on May 05, 2011, 02:05:13 PM
Leave 'em all alone! Dude, You walked into the house, found a broom, walked down the road and beat a snake to death and you didn't even eat it? not cool. I'm sorry but it's one thing if it's moving in on your kids (Which really doesn't happen) or even living under your house and you come across it sitting on your drive way but to go out of your way to kill another living being and then not even have the respect to eat it afterwords just seems wrong to me. Sorry to rant, I am sure you are not a bad person but do think about these actions. If for no other reason than because that rattle snake would eat many many rodents that would be much more likely to attack you unprovoked than that rattler ever was. And with all the diseases and bacteria that rodents can harbor and spread around killing that rattler has made your neighborhood a little less safe.

Guess that is partly why I am a vegetarian.


To each their own "Dude". If I see a Rattler it's dead. We have plenty of Bull Snakes & stray cats to take care of the mice. It's one less chance to be bitten in my mind. Really not sure what being a vegetarian has to do with it though?  Cheers!!!


I have to agree, Why kill something if it's not really bothering you. I don't even kill spiders. If I see one in the house, I put a glass over and slide some paper under the glass. It's then gets relocated outside.  I see snakes all the time and I go one way, he goes the other. Problem solved.

Every living has a purpose, except I haven't yet figured out what fireants are good for. :(
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Post by: euge on May 05, 2011, 02:14:39 PM

I have to agree, Why kill something if it's not really bothering you. I don't even kill spiders. If I see one in the house, I put a glass over and slide some paper under the glass. It's then gets relocated outside.  I see snakes all the time and I go one way, he goes the other. Problem solved.

Every living has a purpose, except I haven't yet figured out what fireants are good for. :(

Fire-ants aerate the soil. They are the dickens to get rid of so I just let em be and if they survive the ortho granules then maybe another application will do the trick...

I don't mess with the spiders unless they have the audacity to fall, crawl or get on my person somehow. That's a death sentence. Roaches that come inside looking for water? It's roach-hockey time with the dust broom. ;D

Then they get relocated to the ant-pile. ;) Circle of life baby.
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Post by: a10t2 on May 05, 2011, 02:27:16 PM
Colorado has Western rattlers, which get big and mean, but they don't live above about 6500 feet. Timber rattlers have been spotted as high as 10500 ft, but generally live below 9000, so I'm pretty much in the clear when out hiking.

It's actually against the law in CO to kill a rattlesnake that isn't directly threatening human life or property.

Fun facts about rattlers: they're one of the few reptile species that give birth to live young. And like all pit vipers, they will bite and inject venom when a warm object is placed in front of the pits, even if the snake is dead.
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Post by: morticaixavier on May 05, 2011, 02:58:42 PM
To each their own "Dude". If I see a Rattler it's dead. We have plenty of Bull Snakes & stray cats to take care of the mice. It's one less chance to be bitten in my mind. Really not sure what being a vegetarian has to do with it though?  Cheers!!!

Being a vegetarian relates because I am one at least partly because I don't want to kill things needlessly. I don't need to eat animals so I don't kill them.

Other humans place you and your family at far more risk than those snakes and I am guessing that you don't kill humans on sight.

If you are phobic about snakes I can understand that. but there is no logical reason to kill them on sight unless you are going to eat them. that is my point.
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Post by: weithman5 on May 05, 2011, 03:06:32 PM
If Adam would have killed the first snake he saw, we would be better off.  ::)
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Post by: Slowbrew on May 05, 2011, 03:42:59 PM
I've dropped into grain bins in the morning and been surprised (at least the first time) by rattlers in western NE.  Even then they didn't strike.  I stood still while the rest of the building team raised the bin a few inches and the snakes all left.  Live and let live, I guess.  Except for rabbits in my flower beds.  Rabbits in my yard are dead rabbits if I can make it happen.

Paul
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Post by: corkybstewart on May 05, 2011, 04:09:52 PM
Rattlers are very passive.  A few years ago I was standing on a cliff with some clients watching deer drink from the stream below us.  Ronnie was standing about a foot from me, and I was looking at a strange patter on the rocks between our feet-it was a spiral with a triangle in the middle.  After literally a couple of minutes I realized what it was and shoved Ronnie away.  Even then it didn't move and nobody else could see it.   It wasn't until I tapped it with a stick that it came unhinged.  We left it alone but it was fun walking through 1/4 mile of brush to get back to the rig.  Every twig that snapped was a rattlesnake to these guys, it was pretty funny.

Unfortunately tourists who come to the desert parks out here are under the terrible misconception that they don't have to worry about rattlesnakes because they'll rattle if you get close.  My experience is that they usually only rattle after you've stepped on them and by then it's too late.  They can be a real problem at drilling rigs,  I guess it's the vibration that attracts them.  I had one strike at my boot from underneath a skid mounted mud pit one night.  Every time I walked by he struck my boot but because he was underneath the pit he couldn't hit above my ankle and my work boots protected me.  It wasn't until the sun came up that we found him and I realized what I had been feeling  for the past 3 or 4 hours.  Gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling in your bowels.
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Post by: SpanishCastleAle on May 05, 2011, 04:37:31 PM
here in FL we've got bunches of snakes. including all kinds of non-native species that people have let go and have 'gone native' here. I'm sure you've all seen web pics of the exploding python that ate the alligator. more of the craziness that is FL. at least they're all edible.
+1.  There is a big Burmese Python problem in the Everglades from pet releases.  They're really screwing with the ecosystem there and are apparently very hard to find.
TIME article on it. (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1909404,00.html)
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Post by: morticaixavier on May 05, 2011, 04:59:25 PM
I've dropped into grain bins in the morning and been surprised (at least the first time) by rattlers in western NE.  Even then they didn't strike.  I stood still while the rest of the building team raised the bin a few inches and the snakes all left.  Live and let live, I guess.  Except for rabbits in my flower beds.  Rabbits in my yard are dead rabbits if I can make it happen.

Paul

sounds like you need MORE rattle snakes to take care of the fuzzy bunnies!

do you eat them after you make them dead?
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Post by: jaybeerman on May 05, 2011, 09:32:06 PM
except I haven't yet figured out what fireants are good for. :(

Yep, I hate pissants too.  ;D

This whole thread reminds me of the book "rant" by chuck palasomethingorother
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Post by: cheba420 on May 05, 2011, 09:51:41 PM
We live in AZ and there are plenty of rattlers here. I've done a lot of hiking in the 16 years I've been in the desert and have only come across a rattler twice in that time. Both were babies and both were in the spring time. The first one just went off into the desert. The second one had to be beheaded because it was on our property and we have dogs.

As I drive around the last week or two, I've seen a few dead, flat ones in the street. I would agree that it is indeed that time of year!
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Post by: majorvices on May 05, 2011, 10:28:12 PM
Totally understand removing or killing them if you have dogs or children. That said, most of the fear of them is totally overblown. The one you kill that you see doesn't do anything for the half dozen you step right next to or over that you or your dogs or kids don't see,  ;) Seriously, they are extremely passive creatures, but I do understand the hysteria and fear. Just don' t respect it much.

Rattlesnake story.

Couple years ago a neighbor built a house up the road only a short walk from me and he called me one day scared out of his wits. "There's a snake under my lawn mower!"

"What kind of snake" I ask.

"A black snake."

I'm chuckling to myself because I think this big guys is scared of a black racer, how funny is that?

Anyway, I mosey on down there and as I come around the corner of his house I can hear the rattle raging as his two dogs are barking under the mower. Black snake, eh? I took a peak under the lawn mower and there was a huge .... a HUGE rattle snake under there.

It had to be removed, especially since the guy's wife would never come out of the house again (which, on hind sight and further acquaintance of her I realize now would have actually been a good thing.)

So he gives me the key to the riding lawn mover and I .... I climbed on top of that lawn mower with that snake rattling like hell under neath me. That was unnerving, I can assure you. It took me several minutes to figure out how to actually start the lawn mower up. The neighbor would shout directions to me from across the yard - he wasn't getting anywhere near those things.

I admit to being fairly rattled myself (pun intended) because the rattle of the snake was amplified by the blade cage and I was sitting directly over the top of the thing. In memory all I could here was that rattle and his directions were faint and confusing. But I finally turned the motor on and put the thing in gear.

Probably you are wondering why I didn't just turn the blade on and kill the thing then and there. Well, I should probably explain that the neighbor was nervously handling a shotgun and I could just picture that snake coming out in pieces and him shooting indiscriminately and me getting in the way. So instead, I just put the mower in gear and backed off the things, becoming more scared of my neighbor's gun than the snake as I did so.

And to my surprise there was not just one rattle snake but two - no wonder the thing looked so damn big and rattled so loud!

Anyway, the things just took off, slithering for cover, never molesting anyone. They didn't have a chance though. It only took two shots and they were done for. They did get eaten though. So I never felt too bad about it.
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Post by: MrNate on May 06, 2011, 07:57:47 PM
Rattlesnake is best deep fried, served with an American Pale Ale and cole slaw.

True dat.

I think my grandmother had it right where rattlers and mocs are concerned. If they were on her property, the .410 came out.
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Post by: tygo on May 07, 2011, 04:08:40 AM
Rattlesnake is best deep fried, served with an American Pale Ale and cole slaw.

True dat.

I think my grandmother had it right where rattlers and mocs are concerned. If they were on her property, the .410 came out.

My granny used a .22.  But she was mostly after ground hogs.
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Post by: 1vertical on May 07, 2011, 01:33:00 PM
The one time I consumed Fried Diamondback (big un Texas style)
I recall it was not that bad on the palate.  However the Black Dreams
bordering on Nightmares and visions of death and dying were not
pleasant....Why that happened I don't know, but I wondered if it
affected other folks in the same fashion??
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Post by: punatic on May 07, 2011, 04:43:42 PM
Sounds like you were channeling Tim Burton.  Perhaps you were washing it down with beer that was made with brew water treated with Burton Salts?   ;D
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Post by: morticaixavier on May 09, 2011, 05:29:55 AM
Sounds like you were channeling Tim Burton.  Perhaps you were washing it down with beer that was made with brew water treated with Burton Salts?   ;D

Ahh, the name is illustrated! I am currently screaming, holding my nose and running out of the room