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Title: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: weazletoe on May 14, 2011, 05:02:49 AM
 People are just really starting to abuse this. I'll tell you my deal, then you can all decide if I'm just being a jerk, and need to settle down.
My beer has gone over very well here in Idaho. Like most homebrewers, I love to share my beer. That's a huge part of he reason I brew. To see others enjoy it. Is there anything better than sitting with your buddies, and enjoying beer you made with them? But, people are really hitting the taps hard here. THey come and sit and drink all evening, which is ok, I invite them over to play some poker and drink. But now, I just have people showing up at the house with growlers to fill. I mean drop in fill a growler, go home. Makes me feel good that they like it, but dude! I'm not a brew pub. This stuff ain't free. It takes time and money. I love to share, but don't just use me as your personal micro brew. Am I just being a jerk, or do I have a valid complaint? If so, what to do?
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: jamminbrew on May 14, 2011, 05:08:42 AM
I think it's them being the jerks, expecting free beer just because they show up.  I don't mind giving a couple of bottles, but you gotta draw the line somewhere. As homebrewers, we can't charge for our beer, but maybe accepting donations for the ingredients? If someone comes by simply for a free refill, tell them you're tapped out, and the next batch is a little while out...
Or ask them to buy the ingredients, and you'll brew the beer for them?
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: rabid_dingo on May 14, 2011, 05:16:03 AM
Save a batch or two of infected beer and swap the keg in anticipation? 8)

I'd confront the drink and dash crowd. Explain that is it not a free hobby and it does take
an investment of time and money on your part. You appreciate a good beer enthusiast but
a freeloader, not so much.

Maybe offer the opportunity for them to buy a "kit" or ingredient list and have them brew the
beer on your system. If they buy the kit, hell even have them buy their own keg(or keg system).
Offer to brew it for them, if they want to continue to have "free" beer, they need to contribute
to the hobby in one way or another.

I have heard of a brewer leaving out a tip jar... :-\
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: tschmidlin on May 14, 2011, 05:28:20 AM
Did you invite them to stop by anytime for a growler?  Maybe one night while you were playing poker and drinking?  It has to be asked. ;D

You're not out of line, but you need to be clear with them that just because you didn't buy it doesn't mean it was free.  If you don't want to ask for cash, you can always post the price of the batch or a list of things you need, especially with your build coming up.

What you really need is a brewing website with a registry.  You can sign up for malt, hops, and yeast, and they can go buy it for you. ;D
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: euge on May 14, 2011, 05:51:48 AM
We had a similar problem with strangers showing up to our keg parties which was cool but some arrived with growlers and went straight for the kegs. Once we noticed it was like f*ck off dude and they left talking smack but without beer. ;D

If your bros are abusing your good nature it would be better to tap the brakes on it and let them know they need to pitch in or better yet offer to show them how to brew. If they get good you can go over and drink their brew and maybe walk out with a growler on occasion.

Being straightforward is better than slowly garnering some awkward resentments towards your guests.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: gordonstrong on May 14, 2011, 12:56:05 PM
You're not out of line.  You should ask them to mow your lawn or something if they just want to pick up beer.

Buying you ingredients is the cool thing to do.  A tip jar is OK, but some authorities might think that is selling beer.

But if they show up just for your beer and not to see you, then I'd rethink whether those people are really your friends.

Keep any failures or past-prime kegs for the mooches.  Save your A game for your real friends.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: ccarlson on May 14, 2011, 01:00:45 PM
Lock your doors and close the blinds.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: corkybstewart on May 14, 2011, 01:01:38 PM
I can't even imagine people pulling a stunt like that.  I always have people asking me to bring them some of my beers but I flat out tell them they're welcome to come sit in the yard and have a beer with me but I don't do take out.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: tygo on May 14, 2011, 01:08:45 PM
Run off some third runnings, pitch a pack of dried yeast, ferment it at 90F, then hit it with a mix stir after it's done fermenting before you keg it.  Mooch beer.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: Mark G on May 14, 2011, 01:11:00 PM
I'm always offering beer for people to take home when they visit, but I don't have them showing up with growlers to fill and then just taking off. That's just rude. I'd just tell them you're running low, but if they want to pick up some ingredients, you can teach them to brew, or even offer to brew it for them.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: hamiltont on May 14, 2011, 01:20:14 PM
Wohoo!!!  Weaz has Free Beer!  Word is out.... ;)  I like corkybstewart's idea about keeping the beer on your premises, unless you decide to transport it.

Here's another thought...

Weaz.. "Look guys. This is getting a little pricey for me. I have a few beers I'd like to try. How about we trade some of those for some of mine from now on?" 

Then give them your list. ;D 

Moochers.. "Ya, sure, no problem. See ya later Weaz..."
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: narvin on May 14, 2011, 01:46:58 PM
Filling growlers without asking is over the line.  Period.  If you have extra, you'll offer; otherwise, no take out beer!
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: liquidbrewing on May 14, 2011, 01:49:44 PM
Weazle, I feel you man!!  Fortunately most of my friends don't abuse it and actually have helped finance many of my brews.  Here are some things I did to help squelch mooching!  First off...I don't sell beer!

1.  I brewed a bunch of beer and had a tasting party - donations accepted  (This raised enough money to start brewing ten gallons so I would have to brew less for those few who abuse it.)

2.  I bought several growlers and people again donated for the fill ups.  They can fill it up and leave, but not without donating.

3.  Keep the really good beer I like on a picnic tap inside the fridge where most people don't look!!!

You could just tell them man, it's your house and if they're good enough friends, they'll want to help you out.

Quote from: narvin

link=topic=7491.msg91790#msg91790 date=1305380818
Filling growlers without asking is over the line.  Period.  If you have extra, you'll offer; otherwise, no take out beer!
 

AO!
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: weazletoe on May 14, 2011, 02:03:25 PM
Thanks for all the suggestions. I feel better now. Was not sure if it was just Eastern coming out in ime or what. Huge culture difference here in Pocatello, than what I am used to. People are so laid back here, and the hospitality show is so different than what I am used to. I mean, people just show up at others at dinner time, and no one thinks a thing of it. As far as people poping in and out for a growler fill up, I'm sure they think nothing of it. In fact, if they had beer on tap, they would not think twice if I stopped by their pace for a fill up. But, I was no raised that way. I'm Easternized. Think I'm gonnahave to lay down some rules.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: ibru on May 14, 2011, 02:45:51 PM
I agree it's not acceptable unless you offer it to them.

I guess for me, it's not so much the cost, it's the time that I put into a good beer. I have never really added up the hours of brewing, racking, kegging, cleaning and so on, but I wouldn't be surprised if I put in close to ten hours on a batch of ale and a few more on a Pils.

It's always a little sad to have an empty keg that once had great beer in it, it's worse when a moocher takes a half gallon of it.

Good luck Weaze
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: beersk on May 14, 2011, 03:12:41 PM
I'd say you're right on track, buddy.  Lay down some rules to weed out the moochers.  I'm sad that no one really asks for my beer because I think it's pretty good and have been told it's good, but I guess people get the impression from me that I won't give them any or something...I don't know.  Recently I've started giving people bombers of my current beers just to spread the love and they're always appreciative.  I wouldn't be happy if they were always coming over wanting growlers filled though.  I suppose if it was my dad than I'd be cool with that, but if it's more than like 1 or 2 people, then the foot needs to be put down.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: narvin on May 14, 2011, 03:45:45 PM
It sounds like they're all generous people... I would just explain that you're going to run out of beer!  Limits benefit everyone.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: gmac on May 14, 2011, 03:46:58 PM
Maybe they don't really like it and just think they're being nice to you by taking it.  The only way to know for sure would be to taste it.  Send me a couple growlers and I'll get back to you. :)

Just go over to their house and take something you'd like.  Power tools, food, car...whatever.  
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: tonyp on May 14, 2011, 04:21:05 PM
You could always wait until one of them has a BBQ or a party and has some type of delicious food available, then show up the next day with takeout containers and ask for some more of it, then leave. Do it the next day too or until they get the hint.

If you really want to be passive-agressive about it you could make up a sign that says:

The Beer is Free, but the Ingredients are NOT!

And hang it near wherever you fill the growlers. This just might be the graphics guy in me talking but you could always print that up on a business cards and hand them out with free refills.

Tony

Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: denny on May 14, 2011, 04:50:42 PM
To my way of thinking, it's not even the cost of ingredients that would tick me off.  That's not that big a deal.  It's the time I have to find to brew it that's really invaluable.  I kinda like Gordon's idea of telling them if they mow your lawn, you'll have time to brew.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: maxieboy on May 14, 2011, 05:49:22 PM
To my way of thinking, it's not even the cost of ingredients that would tick me off.  That's not that big a deal.  It's the time I have to find to brew it that's really invaluable.  I kinda like Gordon's idea of telling them if they mow your lawn, you'll have time to brew.

Yup. Barter. They don't want to barter? You become the beer nazi. No beer for you!  ;)
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: corkybstewart on May 14, 2011, 06:11:54 PM
You could always wait until one of them has a BBQ or a party and has some type of delicious food available, then show up the next day with takeout containers and ask for some more of it, then leave. Do it the next day too or until they get the hint.

If you really want to be passive-agressive about it you could make up a sign that says:

The Beer is Free, but the Ingredients are NOT!

And hang it near wherever you fill the growlers. This just might be the graphics guy in me talking but you could always print that up on a business cards and hand them out with free refills.

Tony


I do have a sign that says "Free Beer Tomorrow" over my kegerator.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: maxieboy on May 14, 2011, 06:19:46 PM
I saw the same sign at a small brewpub(Lake Superior Brewing Co) in Grand Marais, MI, my favorite snowmobiling destination. I told the bartender: I was here yesterday, I'm ready for free beer! It didn't work...  :'(
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: denny on May 14, 2011, 06:22:09 PM
I don't know how many of you will remember, but back in the 70s there was a band called Free Beer.  It was great to see posters advertising them playing at bars.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: centpa on May 14, 2011, 06:39:02 PM
If you like these people, invite them to come and help you brew, show them how to go through the steps, and split the batch with them.  That way they'd appreciate the time investment, because most people when they first hear I make beer, they think it's instantaneous like baking a cake, not realizing how long it takes from beginning to end, including the clean-up, the bottle washing and santizing and filling.

I did that with some of my friends who drank the most of my beer and we formed a club of sorts and brewed several batches together.  Now two of the four other guys are brewing their own, and I'm not under the pressure of supplying anymore.

Sharing your beer is great, but if people are starting to abuse, you have to draw some kind of line.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: oscarvan on May 14, 2011, 07:03:08 PM
Quote
3.  Keep the really good beer I like on a picnic tap inside the fridge where most people don't look!!!

Or, have magnetic signs like I have, and pull the one over the beer you want to save..... "Uh, yeah, that kicked....."  ;D
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: punatic on May 14, 2011, 07:46:08 PM
I like the serve the mooches infected beer idea.

Many years ago I used to do construction testing and inspection.  One project I worked on was widening University Blvd. in Orange County Florida.  There was a county inspector I worked with on that job who was a notorious cigarette mooch.  He had a two-pack-a-day habit and never bought a pack in his life.  So, I bought a pack of Virginia Slims menthols and stuck them up on the dashboard of my truck to bake in the Florida sun.  Every time Mr. County Mooch would hit me up for a cigarette, I would treat him to one of those.  He stopped asking me for cigarettes after about the sixth one (old habits die hard).
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: hopfenundmalz on May 15, 2011, 12:41:00 AM
Tell then to come over and brew a batch with you, then they get a growler.  How many takers?  Not many.

If you don't let them know you are not happy with the situation, it will not change.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: bluesman on May 15, 2011, 01:27:48 AM
I don't think you're out of line by laying out some house rules. Afterall it is your beer. Between the cost of ingredients and your time, there's a significant investment.

I would let them know the truth. Just be honest and tell them about the cost and time investment and that they are welcome to some beer but....growlers is where I would draw the line.

If they become offended...that's when you'll know your friends from Bogart's.

Just lay down some simple house rules. I also like Gordon's idea of mowing the grass.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: weazletoe on May 15, 2011, 03:27:34 AM
Ok, some things are gonna change real fast. Today was the last straw. I just get home with two of my buddies, from the brewery picking up my grain / hop order, of all places. In the meantime, dude number three stopped by with his wife, and they were in the driveway talking with Holly when I got in. He holds up a growler 3/4 full and says he, I blew your keg. I thought he was joking. Turns out, him and his wife had two pints each, then filled the growler, kicking my last keg!! Oh, but he left 7$ on the kegerator.  ::)  I know the dudes don't think they are being a$$hats. It's just the Idaho culture here. What mine is theirs, and whats theirs, I really don't want.  ;D
  Next brew day, I got two guys lined up to help. And, I am seriously thinking of starting a mug club. Ten bucks scores you a personal mug. You're welocome to come over and drink free beer from your mug, anytime, all you can drink, at 3$, maybe 5$ a session. I thinks that's fair. three bucks for alll the free beer you can drink, and it's not Bud. You figure one poker night with three dudes here, and that keg is paid for. Next weekend, a propane refill, next weekend, a c02 exchange. Some week I might feel generous, and the rounds are on me. Sometime I might be extra kind and let them fill a growler. But, at least it will put thee brakes on this deal.
  If that fails, I will juststop at their house each night at dinner time, with a fork, plate, and a to go box.  ;D
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: tschmidlin on May 15, 2011, 06:33:26 AM
Your last keg?!

That's perfect!  Really.  Now when people show up you say, "sorry, dude number three and his wife kicked my last keg and I haven't had time to brew.  You know, it takes 6 hours plus a couple of weeks, not to mention all of the time spent cleaning everything.  To say nothing of the cost of the grains, and hops and yeast aren't free either.  Nope, it might be another 3 or 4 weeks before I have anything ready to go . . . "

Then see who keeps coming around to hang out.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: pinnah on May 15, 2011, 01:16:25 PM
I'm Easternized. Think I'm gonnahave to lay down some rules.

I understand western hospitality, but know that rules of politeness and social etiquette should exist everywhere.
Being rude and kicking someones keg while they are not even home is totally uncalled for in my book.
Dude number three is a punk.

I am thinking that folks are just taking advantage of your good nature and generosity. 

Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: maxieboy on May 15, 2011, 01:38:35 PM
Beyond ridiculous...
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: brontotex on May 15, 2011, 01:51:45 PM
That guy is obviously just taking advantage of you.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: denny on May 15, 2011, 03:34:15 PM
I am seriously thinking of starting a mug club. Ten bucks scores you a personal mug. You're welocome to come over and drink free beer from your mug, anytime, all you can drink, at 3$, maybe 5$ a session. I thinks that's fair. three bucks for alll the free beer you can drink, and it's not Bud. You figure one poker night with three dudes here, and that keg is paid for. Next weekend, a propane refill, next weekend, a c02 exchange. Some week I might feel generous, and the rounds are on me. Sometime I might be extra kind and let them fill a growler. But, at least it will put thee brakes on this deal.

Weaz, that could get ya in serious legal trouble.  I'd think twice about it.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: ccarlson on May 15, 2011, 04:21:45 PM
Go to a wholesale club and get you some small bags of snacks. Sell those for $3 or ???. That way nothing is tied to the beer. The best thing would be Beer Nuts. :)
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: cheba420 on May 15, 2011, 05:09:49 PM
I think it all comes down to boundaries and mutual respect. My friends love to drink my beer but not a damn one of them would ever have the balls to just assume they can fill up their own growler and bounce.

I offer growlers and people accept. If you're at my house, you have free reign and can drink as much as you can. But like others have posted, unless its offered, there is no beer to go!

Most of my friends will show up with a nice six pack of something commercial that I like if they know they'll be drinking from my kegs. Its not expected, they just do it out of respect for my time and efforts. Its a gesture that I appreciate. It shows that they understand the value of what I do.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: oscarvan on May 15, 2011, 06:00:26 PM
You need new friends...... Or a secret keggerator in a closet.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: tygo on May 15, 2011, 06:13:05 PM
Might want to pick up a couple of these for your kegerator:

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Sticker-decal-beer-fridge-tap-keg-can-homebrew-/160587312366?pt=AU_Breweriana&hash=item2563bfecee
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: dbeechum on May 15, 2011, 06:38:16 PM
Now I'm a fairly hospitable sort and I'm definitely willing to share the beer freely.

But showing up at my house, when I'm not there - that's a no go.

Showing up at my house with a growler and expecting to get it filled? - that's a no go.

Showing up when I'm not there and killing my last keg - may the justice system have mercy on my soul. :)


Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: bluesman on May 15, 2011, 06:44:21 PM
I have to agree with Drew...blowing my keg while I'm not at home is right next to.... well let's not go there. It's now time to lay down the "Law of Weaz".

You blowwa my keg...and I [Insert your favorite punishment]  ;)

Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: Malticulous on May 15, 2011, 08:06:22 PM
I lived most of my life in Utah. I never that Idaho was that much different? I mean I give out six packs all the time but mu buddies take care of me for it. There not moochers.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: ccarlson on May 15, 2011, 08:57:31 PM
I think I would have taken the growler from him and said, thanks for saving the last of it for me.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: rabid_dingo on May 15, 2011, 09:21:32 PM
I think I would have taken the growler from him and said, thanks for saving the last of it for me.

Or guzzled it right there...

Forget the sticker... Time for some of these...

 LOCK  (http://www.northernbrewer.com/default/beer-faucet-lock.html)

and one of these.
(http://www.securepet.biz/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/cat-machine-gun.gif)
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: Will's Swill on May 15, 2011, 09:24:22 PM
It's products like that lock that let you know that homebrewing is here to stay.  Just beautiful.

The cat is nice, too.  :)
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: weazletoe on May 15, 2011, 09:46:47 PM
I think the deal is, that they just do not realize the time / cost involved. Ingridents, propane, water (which is not cheap here in the high desert) c02, which by the wway cost me double here than in Ohio. THen, you have the time not just involved in brewing, but going to pick up supplies, cleaning on brew day, racking, kegging, carbing kegs, keeping the lines clean etc.... I reallythink the just don't get it. The fugure because it's home made, it's cheap and easy. No offense Denny.  ;D
  Either way, the sitiation will be dealt with, and all parties will leave happy, and fit shaced.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: scooter2374 on May 15, 2011, 09:48:27 PM
That sucks that they are taking your generosity too far Weaz. I'd keep the beer on lockdown for awhile and make some ground rules for when you start it back up again
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: punatic on May 15, 2011, 10:37:40 PM

and one of these.
(http://www.securepet.biz/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/cat-machine-gun.gif)


Oh great!  Now there are pictures of my cat floating around the interweb.  Guess he figure out my passwords...
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: ccarlson on May 16, 2011, 01:04:50 AM

and one of these.
(http://www.securepet.biz/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/cat-machine-gun.gif)


Oh great!  Now there are pictures of my cat floating around the interweb.  Guess he figure out my passwords...

May I use your cat as my avatar? As soon as I can figure out how to make an avatar.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: rabid_dingo on May 16, 2011, 06:35:32 AM

and one of these.
(http://www.securepet.biz/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/cat-machine-gun.gif)


Oh great!  Now there are pictures of my cat floating around the interweb.  Guess he figure out my passwords...

May I use your cat as my avatar? As soon as I can figure out how to make an avatar.
Not my cat but go for it. Got it off Google Images. I just always remembered the angry cat...
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: phillamb168 on May 16, 2011, 07:25:40 AM
Better:

http://vimeo.com/23608259

"It's a F*%#ING CAT!"
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: rabid_dingo on May 16, 2011, 02:58:13 PM
Better:

http://vimeo.com/23608259

"It's a F*%#ING CAT!"

That was so, wrong...hilarious wrong... ;D
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: majorvices on May 17, 2011, 02:11:50 AM
People are just really starting to abuse this. I'll tell you my deal, then you can all decide if I'm just being a jerk, and need to settle down.
My beer has gone over very well here in Idaho. Like most homebrewers, I love to share my beer. That's a huge part of he reason I brew. To see others enjoy it. Is there anything better than sitting with your buddies, and enjoying beer you made with them? But, people are really hitting the taps hard here. THey come and sit and drink all evening, which is ok, I invite them over to play some poker and drink. But now, I just have people showing up at the house with growlers to fill. I mean drop in fill a growler, go home. Makes me feel good that they like it, but dude! I'm not a brew pub. This stuff ain't free. It takes time and money. I love to share, but don't just use me as your personal micro brew. Am I just being a jerk, or do I have a valid complaint? If so, what to do?

Late to the party here, I been busy but ... weaze, HELL NO that ain't right and I have had the same problem. If people wanna beer, thats fine. You drink it WITH ME. No one should give away beer like that and, like I said - I've had the same problem. I've always been stingy with my homebrew. That's beer I have brewed for ME. And part of the fun is certainly sharing it WITH ME. But resist giving away growlers. Tell 'em to kiss off!

That said, I have given growlers away in exchange for favors or work or deer meat or food or whatever. Totally different though.;
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: tubercle on May 17, 2011, 05:09:36 AM
I find that they think this is OK and the custom in that area is to share whenever whatever unabated is curious at the least.

 In S.C., its just the opposite. You never take anything without being invited, actually it would be very forward to even ask.

 The owner is expected to offer in every occasion however.

 Transplanted Yankees excepted.

 In the Weaz's case it would go like this:
 Friends came over and you have a keg. If they asked for some it would be like the worst thing they could do. On the other hand, if you didn't offer, it would be just as bad. it's just plain good manners.

 If I was offerd a beer I would take one and even after the "sure, get all you want" I would never get a second draw without the hosts making the offer.

 This goes for other situations also. At dinner, the lady of the house is in charge. When there is only one biscuit left and every one is staring at it but no one takes it. That would be the worst manners ever. The "host" would never take it but will offer it to guest first.

 Same way with wine. Each gets a glass but never pour a second without it being offered. Everybody is sitting around bugg-eyed wanting another glass, commenting on it, picking it up and reading the label, but won't pour another glass until invited to do so. The host will go to Etiquette Hell if they don't offer another pour.

 So at the Tubercule household it goes like this: as soon as guest arrive, get them a mug and introduce them to the kegarator. Keep an eye out and as soon as they get low, a nod of the head and a gesture toward the tap is in order. This goes on constantly and takes dilligence but it is protocol.

 Fishing with the buddies? Who(m)ever brought the ice chest full of Millwaukee's Best with all of its hoppy goodness owns it. They offer, you take, they offer, you take, in that order.

 Got a neighbor with a broken tractor? You offer to loan him yours, or even better, to bush hog the field for him.

 But for a bastard to walk into my house and take MY beer with out asking; he would be ostracized by the community.

 That's how we roll.
  
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: Pinski on May 17, 2011, 05:33:39 AM
I find that they think this is OK and the custom in that area is to share whenever whatever unabated is curious at the least.

 In S.C., its just the opposite. You never take anything without being invited, actually it would be very forward to even ask.

 The owner is expected to offer in every occasion however.

 Transplanted Yankees excepted.

 In the Weaz's case it would go like this:
 Friends came over and you have a keg. If they asked for some it would be like the worst thing they could do. On the other hand, if you didn't offer, it would be just as bad. it's just plain good manners.

 If I was offerd a beer I would take one and even after the "sure, get all you want" I would never get a second draw without the hosts making the offer.

 This goes for other situations also. At dinner, the lady of the house is in charge. When there is only one biscuit left and every one is staring at it but no one takes it. That would be the worst manners ever. The "host" would never take it but will offer it to guest first.

 Same way with wine. Each gets a glass but never pour a second without it being offered. Everybody is sitting around bugg-eyed wanting another glass, commenting on it, picking it up and reading the label, but won't pour another glass until invited to do so. The host will go to Etiquette Hell if they don't offer another pour.

 So at the Tubercule household it goes like this: as soon as guest arrive, get them a mug and introduce them to the kegarator. Keep an eye out and as soon as they get low, a nod of the head and a gesture toward the tap is in order. This goes on constantly and takes dilligence but it is protocol.

 Fishing with the buddies? Who(m)ever brought the ice chest full of Millwaukee's Best with all of its hoppy goodness owns it. They offer, you take, they offer, you take, in that order.

 Got a neighbor with a broken tractor? You offer to loan him yours, or even better, to bush hog the field for him.

 But for a bastard to walk into my house and take MY beer with out asking; he would be ostracized by the community.

 That's how we roll.
  

+10  that's the way it oughta be!
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: euge on May 17, 2011, 05:47:51 AM
My friends ask "cool if I get a beer?" but I say help yourself and I mean help yourself. We've known each other for over 30 years- mi casa es su casa. Then I'll steer them if there's a choice.

I always thought is was don't loan out your dog or motorcycle. Never heard a peep about the wife/GF or beeer. 8)
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: punatic on May 17, 2011, 06:02:14 AM

 Transplanted Yankees excepted.
    

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...  halfbacks...
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: rabid_dingo on May 17, 2011, 06:40:22 AM
...
 So at the Tubercule household it goes like this: as soon as guest arrive, get them a mug and introduce them to the kegarator. Keep an eye out and as soon as they get low, a nod of the head and a gesture toward the tap is in order. This goes on constantly and takes dilligence but it is protocol.

 Fishing with the buddies? Who(m)ever brought the ice chest full of Millwaukee's Best with all of its hoppy goodness owns it. They offer, you take, they offer, you take, in that order.

...
That's how we roll.
 

That was the first lesson I was taught by an older friend/acquaintance when I arrived at a BYOB party with a fifth of tequila.
I had just turned 21 (Riiiiiiight  8)) and he was sitting near by. Long story short. I offered a shot of my contribution. He accepted, and waited. I figured he would just help himself to my bottle after I gave the go-ahead. He looked at me inquisitively.
I asked him what was up. He said,

"A gentleman never pours another mans alcohol." As in if you are offered a drink you hold out your glass. You do not grab the
bottle. The owner pours what he deems acceptable. Not what the guest thinks it is.

It made sense to me then and still does now. If I offer, I pour, generously. If I am offered I accept humbly and appreciatively.

It is part of the "Bro Code"...
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: jeffy on May 17, 2011, 11:53:29 AM
What I don't understand in the weaze situation is why these friends don't make up for their mooching with offers of six packs of beer from the store?  Where's the "give" in "give and take?"  Wouldn't you think it's normal to thank the generous host by replacing his offer with something they themselves could provide?  I'd be saying, "I know I can't replace what you made with your own hands, but would you like some of this Snake River IPA?"  What these guys are doing is just not normal.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: tumarkin on May 17, 2011, 12:23:33 PM
seems like almost everyone agrees that these 'friends' aren't acting like good friends. the problem now, for Weaze, is how to handle it.

simple, direct is best. confront it head on, gently but firmly. summarize the situation to them, tell them it's not working for you at all, and needs to change. you don't need to make it personal for any of them, just that this is the general situation that's come to exist. then tell them the new 'house rules', what ever you are comfortable with and think will work. tell them there's a new sherrif in town, and his name is tubercle.  ;D  seriously though, things won't change till you let them all know that the old way is done, and let them know clearly how you want things to be.

if you piss anyone off, too damn bad. if they're worth having as friends, they'll understand.

Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: phillamb168 on May 17, 2011, 12:49:50 PM
if you piss anyone off, too damn bad. if they're worth having as friends, they'll understand.

Big +1000 to this. I had to learn the hard way when I was younger, real friends don't take advantage of you no matter what it is. But it is possible that you have genuine friends that are just a bit dumb and didn't really think about what they were doing - so don't pitch a hissy, just explain what everybody has said above.

Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: glastctbrew on May 17, 2011, 01:20:51 PM
Another alternative, if you aren't up to the direct confrontation, is to put up a sign with a basket or coffee can below it asking for donations to cover the cost of the ingredients. 

You sign could read something like:

"I'm glad you love my beer.  Please feel free to donate to the cause since brewing all this great beer is costly and takes a ton of my time.  I can always use some extra hands on brew day to help with all the cleanup if you are up to it!  Thanks!"

Just an alternative approach but it gets the message across.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: tumarkin on May 17, 2011, 01:35:21 PM
as someone mentioned previously, asking for money like that could (though not likely) get you in trouble. it could be interpreted by the revenooers as 'selling' your homebrew.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: glastctbrew on May 17, 2011, 01:48:54 PM
as someone mentioned previously, asking for money like that could (though not likely) get you in trouble. it could be interpreted by the revenooers as 'selling' your homebrew.

That was why I put "donation" in there as well as gave the time alternative.  But I'm not a lawyer so I have no idea if that would really cover it.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: ccarlson on May 17, 2011, 01:59:51 PM
I think anything money related and attached to the beer, could be considered alcohol purchase. Call it a movie fund to help pay for DVD's that guests might watch or a college fund for the kids. The biggest problem, is if you happen to piss off one of them. The wrong phone call could  make for a very unpleasant experience.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: glastctbrew on May 17, 2011, 02:28:26 PM
Blah.  I'd just take the direct confrontation route if I had to worry about a knock on the door because I asked people to help donate to purchasing supplies.

Oh well, always a good discussion.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: homebrewgamecock on May 17, 2011, 02:40:08 PM
Wow Weaze.  Sounds like it's time for some blunt and to the point eastern conversation with these people.  I share my beer with friends and even brew beer for people's parties.  They pay for the ingredients and I brew the beer. 

None of my friends have ever just shown up at my house and helped themselves let alone blow the keg.  I would be really pissed at that.  Not really the beer, but like Denny and others have said - the time and effort to make beer.  That's just rude IMO.  Would they just walk into a bar and help themselves to beer or even someone's house and just drink their last beer in the fridge?

Guess I don't ever have to worry about moving to Idaho.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: weazletoe on May 17, 2011, 04:07:57 PM
  What puts me in a bind, is I know these dudes aren't just abusing me. Two of them are my bros-in-law. Two others, I've know since I first moved here. I mean, anytime they came over before, for poker night, whatever, everybody bought a 6, tossed it in the fridge, and every man for himself. We took that fishing trip together, everyone bought a ase, tossed it in the cooler, and then take what you want. That's just how these guys roll. It's how they were raised I guess. And, it's not like they just started hanging around since I had beer on tap. Like I said, I've know some for 10+ years. And, to be fair, I have to say, if rolls were reversed, they would think nothing of it, if I were to show up at their house for a growler.
 But, that's not me. That's not my background. That's not how I do it. My mancave, my beer, my rules. So, What I have decided, is the kind, subtle approach. So as to avoid looking like a douch bag to them (like I said, they would not think twice if I filled up from their tap) I have my little piggy bank that say "Beer Money" I will be sure that ison display right between the two taps. Along with that, I will make a little sign that says "To keep the taps flowing, a couple bucks go a long ways." I'll just put it out certain times, poker night, bbq's, etc...I don't want them to get the impression that every time they pull a pint, I expect a donation. Just for those times I know it's gonna be hit hard. I'll try that for a while, and see how it goes.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: micsager on May 17, 2011, 04:22:54 PM
Very nice thread.  Great discussion.

Here in my little corner of Washington State, I've had to refuse money for my beer.  But, I have received many LHBS gift certificates as "happy Monday" gifts. 

Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: tschmidlin on May 17, 2011, 04:54:02 PM
  What puts me in a bind, is I know these dudes aren't just abusing me. Two of them are my bros-in-law. Two others, I've know since I first moved here. I mean, anytime they came over before, for poker night, whatever, everybody bought a 6, tossed it in the fridge, and every man for himself. We took that fishing trip together, everyone bought a ase, tossed it in the cooler, and then take what you want. That's just how these guys roll. It's how they were raised I guess. And, it's not like they just started hanging around since I had beer on tap. Like I said, I've know some for 10+ years. And, to be fair, I have to say, if rolls were reversed, they would think nothing of it, if I were to show up at their house for a growler.
Weaze, this is why I think you need to be direct.  Like: "Remember before I started brewing here, when we would all bring beer and throw it all together and just grab what we wanted?  It's like that now, except I'm the only one supplying any beer.  So I need you guys to either pony up for some ingredients or help out cleaning and brewing."

The tip jar might work, but it seems a bit passive-aggressive to me, especially since you know these guys well.  And institute a rule - you kick a keg, you clean two. ;)
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: ccarlson on May 17, 2011, 04:57:12 PM
  What puts me in a bind, is I know these dudes aren't just abusing me. Two of them are my bros-in-law. Two others, I've know since I first moved here. I mean, anytime they came over before, for poker night, whatever, everybody bought a 6, tossed it in the fridge, and every man for himself. We took that fishing trip together, everyone bought a ase, tossed it in the cooler, and then take what you want. That's just how these guys roll. It's how they were raised I guess. And, it's not like they just started hanging around since I had beer on tap. Like I said, I've know some for 10+ years. And, to be fair, I have to say, if rolls were reversed, they would think nothing of it, if I were to show up at their house for a growler.
Weaze, this is why I think you need to be direct.  Like: "Remember before I started brewing here, when we would all bring beer and throw it all together and just grab what we wanted?  It's like that now, except I'm the only one supplying any beer.  So I need you guys to either pony up for some ingredients or help out cleaning and brewing."

The tip jar might work, but it seems a bit passive-aggressive to me, especially since you know these guys well.  And institute a rule - you kick a keg, you clean two. ;)

Something about "you kick a keg, you clean two" sounds more aggressive than a tip jar to me. Besides, while help may be nice, money would be better.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: tschmidlin on May 17, 2011, 05:00:34 PM
Something about "you kick a keg, you clean two" sounds more aggressive than a tip jar to me. Besides, while help may be nice, money would be better.
Aggressive is fine with me. :)  But I see it as more humorous than aggressive, like a game of hot potato.  It all depends on how it's presented.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: denny on May 17, 2011, 05:09:18 PM
Besides, while help may be nice, money would be better.

Me, I'd rather have the help than the money.  It doesn't cost much money to brew a batch of beer, but the time it takes away from other things I need to do is more of a problem.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: dbeechum on May 17, 2011, 05:12:21 PM
Me, I'd rather have the help than the money. 

Agree with you about the time, but perversely I find that when I brew with others - it takes me longer than if I'm in heads down focused brewing mode.

And if it's one of my good friends bringing something like The Bruery's White Oak to drink, then the day gets dramatically longer. :)
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: ccarlson on May 17, 2011, 05:14:24 PM
Me, I'd rather have the help than the money. 

Agree with you about the time, but perversely I find that when I brew with others - it takes me longer than if I'm in heads down focused brewing mode.

And if it's one of my good friends bringing something like The Bruery's White Oak to drink, then the day gets dramatically longer. :)

I agree. I'd much rather brew by myself. Distractions are what cause me to make mistakes.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: tschmidlin on May 17, 2011, 05:20:02 PM
Yeah, I could use the help on a cleaning day, but not on a brewing day.  Or they could mow my lawn, weed the ditch, prune the apple tree, pick up dog poo, clean the gutters, remove/treat the moss on the roof of the shed, power wash the driveway, wash and seal the concrete slab, wash and seal the deck, paint the pergola, build an arbor for the grapes, put in posts and wires for the other grapes, paint the fence, paint the house, replace the windows, cut down the maples that lost their tops in the last wind storm, fix my chipper/shredder, clean out the pile of stuff to be chipped/shredded, take a load of debris to the dump, help me take everything out of the garage and seal any holes where mice might be coming in then put everything back, build two benches, build a picnic table, and build a chicken coop.  ;D
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: gordonstrong on May 17, 2011, 05:27:18 PM
Yeah, I could use the help on a cleaning day, but not on a brewing day.  Or they could mow my lawn, weed the ditch, prune the apple tree, pick up dog poo, clean the gutters, remove/treat the moss on the roof of the shed, power wash the driveway, wash and seal the concrete slab, wash and seal the deck, paint the pergola, build an arbor for the grapes, put in posts and wires for the other grapes, paint the fence, paint the house, replace the windows, cut down the maples that lost their tops in the last wind storm, fix my chipper/shredder, clean out the pile of stuff to be chipped/shredded, take a load of debris to the dump, help me take everything out of the garage and seal any holes where mice might be coming in then put everything back, build two benches, build a picnic table, and build a chicken coop.  ;D

But it's easier to just come steal your beer when you're working.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: weazletoe on May 17, 2011, 06:24:55 PM
 Yeah, I really don't care about having help. I brew because I enjoy it. And for me, it's one of those things where an extra hand just gets in the way. Kind of like holding the trash door open for someone at McDonalds. No one really needs this done for them, but we end up doing it because it seems polite. But, in the end, they just end up dumping half the trash on the floor, and you end up with ketchup on your wrist, and lettuce on your shoe. It would have been better just to walk away.
 I really could use the money. When I had real work, and was brewing mainly for myself, it was not an issue. But, now that work has changed (and I'm not complaining, it's my choice. I love my life now) and I seem to be brewing for half the town, money is what I need. If you wanna come brew with me, fine. Just bring your checkbook!!  ;D
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: glastctbrew on May 17, 2011, 06:47:56 PM
  If you wanna come brew with me, fine. Just bring your checkbook!!  ;D

And leave your pants at home?   :D
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: narvin on May 17, 2011, 07:50:36 PM
Neither help nor money will give YOU more time to allocate to brewdays.  I think you just need to tell them that you aren't able to brew enough to supply the whole neighborhood with beer.  Nothing personal to any of them, just the truth.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: punatic on May 17, 2011, 08:59:38 PM
You know weaze, reading everyone's responses, something occured to me.  Many non-homebrewers think we homebrewers brew our own because it's way cheaper than buying store-bought beer.  Of course we know that is not the case.  Perhaps your friends think that your beer doesn't cost you much, in money or effort.  Seems like they've known you for quite a while, and understand the beer sharing customs.  Perhaps they just don't understand about homebrewing yet.

Oh yeah, if you think it might help some, keep a pack of stale girlie menthols on the dashboard to share with the diehard deadbeats...  ;)
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: ccarlson on May 17, 2011, 09:28:51 PM
The truth is, now that my equipment is paid for and I buy in bulk, it really is a LOT cheaper than store bought beer. If yours isn't, then you're doing something wrong.

That said, your friends still shouldn't mooch off of you.there is a lot of your time involved.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: punatic on May 17, 2011, 09:30:55 PM
The truth is, now that my equipment is paid for and I buy in bulk, it really is a LOT cheaper than store bought beer. If yours isn't, then you're doing something wrong.


Yeah, and I know what it is I'm doing wrong - shipping stuff to the middle of the Pacific Ocean to brew with...  :D
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: ccarlson on May 17, 2011, 09:32:30 PM
The truth is, now that my equipment is paid for and I buy in bulk, it really is a LOT cheaper than store bought beer. If yours isn't, then you're doing something wrong.


Yeah, and I know what it is I'm doing wrong - shipping stuff to the middle of the Pacific Ocean to brew with...  :D

That could be the problem. :)
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: weazletoe on May 18, 2011, 12:22:23 AM
 I have to agree, brewing it yourself, especially AG, is about as cheap as buying, if not cheaper. For my next batch, 5 gallons, I got 10# pound of grain, 4 oz of hops, and my yeast for 15$. Tell me what IPA your gonna buy that cost 1.66 a 6 pack.
 A lot of it to me, is also the princple, as well. And like I said before, times changed for me. Now, 15 bucks is a big deal to me. I know some people may say, dude, its 15$, suck it up. But, it really means a lot to me now, and is harded to come by. (disclaimer, again, I'm not complaining. It's my choice, and I'm happy with it)
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: Steve on May 19, 2011, 03:55:45 PM
There are so many responses, I can't keep up with them so I may be repeating someone.

Go with a pre-mug club or a Keg Club where they have to pitch in for ingredients. The % they pitch in is what they get out of the batch.  If they don't pitch in have a case of Keystone unrefrigerated (yeck) for the cheapskates.

Just remember the 100 gal/year/house/21 part of the Jimmy Carter Law.  There's always something huh?
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: punatic on May 19, 2011, 07:45:25 PM
100gal/year/person - 200gal/year/household

And by golly ya better not cheat!   :)
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: ibru on May 19, 2011, 11:30:49 PM
Punatic- I bet they (the Beer Gestapo) would love to audit your records on the Big Island.

I know I'll be on my wife's yearly allotment soon.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: weazletoe on May 20, 2011, 12:48:11 AM
Got four adults, in this household.  8)
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: Hokerer on May 20, 2011, 12:53:28 AM
Got four adults, in this household.  8)

Sorry Weaze, not gonna fly...

(b) The production of beer per household, without payment of tax, for personal or family use may not exceed:
(1) 200 gallons per calendar year if there are two or more adults residing in the household, or
(2) 100 gallons per calendar year if there is only one adult residing in the household.


...from http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/pages/government-affairs/statutes/united-states (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/pages/government-affairs/statutes/united-states)
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: weazletoe on May 20, 2011, 12:55:43 AM
I'm sorry? Did you say something? I see your lips flapping, and feel a breeze, but hear nothing.  ;D
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: tygo on May 20, 2011, 01:02:35 AM
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Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: narvin on May 20, 2011, 01:06:59 AM
Got four adults, in this household.  8)

Sorry Weaze, not gonna fly...

(b) The production of beer per household, without payment of tax, for personal or family use may not exceed:
(1) 200 gallons per calendar year if there are two or more adults residing in the household, or
(2) 100 gallons per calendar year if there is only one adult residing in the household.

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You got a brewcart that you can wheel around the neighborhood?  8)
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: weazletoe on May 20, 2011, 01:09:47 AM
Nah, the neighborhood comes to me. (see OP  ;D )
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: Hokerer on May 20, 2011, 01:22:32 AM
Nah, the neighborhood comes to me. (see OP  ;D )

That may be your loophole!  As long as each of your neighborhood households mooches 100 gallons off of you, you could be safe.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: punatic on May 20, 2011, 01:35:51 AM
Punatic- I bet they (the Beer Gestapo) would love to audit your records on the Big Island.

I know I'll be on my wife's yearly allotment soon.

They?     Records?

"They" don't know about me.  I wear my tin foil hat and listen to Coast To Coast AM (C2C AM) while I brew...  ;D
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: tumarkin on May 20, 2011, 02:28:57 AM
yeah, but who's counting? with all the whacky (dare I say insane) and restrictive liquor laws, they've still not funded any big-brother agency to come round & keep track of what you're brewing. and I damn well hope it stays that way.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: tschmidlin on May 20, 2011, 05:33:22 AM
They could just comb through the "what's brewing this weekend" posts and count gallons.  It's a good thing most of what we put there doesn't get brewed because we get too busy, plus we all over report how much we brew to make ourselves sound better.  The reality is none of us ever hit 20 gallons.  Seriously.  Ignore those cornies over there, those are from last year and the year before. ;)
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: punatic on May 20, 2011, 05:43:06 AM
You guys are funny.  Wander on over to the home distiller forums and see what those guys talk about.  ALL of what they make is illegal, and yet no one has ever been hassled by da revenooers.

And, I'm listening to C2C AM as I write this.  Tonight's topic:  Area 51
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: Steve on May 20, 2011, 03:17:28 PM
Got four adults, in this household.  8)

Now, if you and your relatives or friends lived in a duplex or a triple decker (since they are separate dwellings) you could double or triple the output. Learn to love thy neighbor - you could have a great block party!
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: Slowbrew on May 20, 2011, 04:56:47 PM
I'm happy to say I've never had this problem.  I actually had the opposite of this at the first party we had after the keg fridge was in place.  I went downstairs after the party to pick up and found a mason jar (the fridge is about 10 feet from the canning shelves) stuffed with 1's, 5's and 10's sitting on the fridge.  I didn't put it out.

I was a bit worried as several of my friends are cops or lawyers or judges and Federal officers of one type or another.  I later found out the buddy one of the cops brought along had set it out.  I thought I was going to hyperventilate when I found out the guy was ATF.  He told everyone "this stuff ain't cheap to make, kick in if you want more",

I don't think the authorities care unless you advertise.

Hopefully you can reach an accommodation with your buddies.

Paul
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: euge on May 20, 2011, 06:47:32 PM
Yup. Paul I bet that was a thrill of adrenaline! If you've never felt the cold clasp of the law then I'll tell you all the feeling of helplessness is extraordinary. I for one err on the side of caution these days.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: punatic on May 20, 2011, 06:49:37 PM
So, if you don't brew your annual volume limit each year, do you get roll-over gallons?  If so, are they valid all the way back to 1978?   ???     ::).  ;D
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: euge on May 20, 2011, 06:54:37 PM
So, if you don't brew your annual volume limit each year, do you get roll-over gallons?  If so, are they valid all the way back to 1978?   ???     ::).  ;D

That would be nice. But I don't think so. What if you brew at someone else's house and ferment there? Does this count?
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: homebrewgamecock on May 20, 2011, 06:59:36 PM
Nice to find that huh Slowbrew!

Maybe we should be punished if we brew LESS than 200 gallons a year! ;D
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: tschmidlin on May 20, 2011, 07:19:49 PM
So, if you don't brew your annual volume limit each year, do you get roll-over gallons?  If so, are they valid all the way back to 1978?   ???     ::).  ;D

That would be nice. But I don't think so. What if you brew at someone else's house and ferment there? Does this count?
I think it counts on them.  And for what it's worth, I think you can brew at your house and pitch the yeast and ferment at someone else's house, and it counts for them.  Up until then all you did was produce hoppy sugar water.  The alcohol is being made at their house.  :)

Anyway, it's irrelevant for me.  I might have time to hit my limit when I retire or when the kids get older, but I don't think I've ever even come close.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: euge on May 20, 2011, 07:41:02 PM
And 100 gallons is about 100 twelve-packs which over a year's time is 3.29 beers a day.

If my friends were over more often then I'd certainly have to think about brewing my limit. 8)
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: maxieboy on May 20, 2011, 08:29:39 PM
Maybe we should be punished if we brew LESS than 200 gallons a year! ;D

I like it!
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: Slowbrew on May 20, 2011, 08:35:49 PM
So, if you don't brew your annual volume limit each year, do you get roll-over gallons?  If so, are they valid all the way back to 1978?   ???     ::).  ;D

That would be nice. But I don't think so. What if you brew at someone else's house and ferment there? Does this count?
I think it counts on them.  And for what it's worth, I think you can brew at your house and pitch the yeast and ferment at someone else's house, and it counts for them.  Up until then all you did was produce hoppy sugar water.  The alcohol is being made at their house.  :)

Anyway, it's irrelevant for me.  I might have time to hit my limit when I retire or when the kids get older, but I don't think I've ever even come close.


A certain recently published author made the statement it isn't beer until the yeast is added (Gordon?).  So... if I make 800 gallons of wort but only ferment 200 of at my house I should be okay.   I think I can talk 3 neighbors in to it.  :P

Edited to fix screwed up insert of my comment

Paul
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: punatic on May 20, 2011, 08:36:37 PM
Just mulling it all over...

How does mead fit in?  Is it beer?  Is it wine?  Is it legal to make at home?  If so, is there an annual limit?
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: euge on May 20, 2011, 08:49:38 PM
Just mulling it all over...

How does mead fit in?  Is it beer?  Is it wine?  Is it legal to make at home?  If so, is there an annual limit?

I think it is technically a wine.
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Post by: weazletoe on May 22, 2011, 03:40:29 AM
Update......buddy "a" showed up tonight with three cases. We drank most of one, and he left the rest here. A case of Widmere, oneNew Belgium, and something else, I forget what. All sampler packs. Pretty nice gesture I thought.
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Post by: oscarvan on May 22, 2011, 03:46:24 AM
Must be lurking here...... ;D
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Post by: punatic on May 22, 2011, 04:05:14 AM
Update......buddy "a" showed up tonight with three cases. We drank most of one, and he left the rest here. A case of Widmere, oneNew Belgium, and something else, I forget what. All sampler packs. Pretty nice gesture I thought.

He was watching da streaming brew session and decided it was better to be there in person!
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Post by: weazletoe on May 22, 2011, 04:07:31 AM
LOL! You never know. That, or I finally got through to him. He was asking about my brew day. I explained what went on, and what I had shelled out for ten gallons. I explained it was 28$. He thaought that was a pretty good deal. I told him yeah, but you also have to add, propane, CO2, and water. So, you're pushing 35-40$ now.
  Can't wait to get the sign up that TonyP made me. I might be able to afford this after all!  ;D
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Post by: Steve on May 22, 2011, 03:51:18 PM
Just mulling it all over...

How does mead fit in?  Is it beer?  Is it wine?  Is it legal to make at home?  If so, is there an annual limit?

I think it is technically a wine.

It's all under the same 100/person or 200/household.
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Post by: tschmidlin on May 23, 2011, 04:18:27 AM
Can't wait to get the sign up that TonyP made me. I might be able to afford this after all!  ;D
Does it say
Gas, grass, or ass, no one drinks for free
Propane, malt, or sex just doesn't have the same ring to it.

Something else you can do weaze, I can't remember if someone mentioned this.  Put up a whiteboard where everyone can see it and track your expenses for the year on it.

Malt
Hops
Yeast
Other ingredients
Fuel
CO2
Cleaners/Sanitizers
Equipment

You can also track time spent and gallons produced.  It's a useful exercise at the very least, but it will lay it out for them pretty clearly the time and expense of the hobby.

Another thing you can do is let them buy you sacks of malt and in exchange you let them pick the next beer to be brewed and name it after them.  People love having beers named in their honor. :)
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Post by: Steve on May 23, 2011, 12:43:30 PM
Can't wait to get the sign up that TonyP made me. I might be able to afford this after all!  ;D
Does it say
Gas, grass, or ass, no one drinks for free
Propane, malt, or sex just doesn't have the same ring to it.

Something else you can do weaze, I can't remember if someone mentioned this.  Put up a whiteboard where everyone can see it and track your expenses for the year on it.
....  People love having beers named in their honor. :)
Brilliant!
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Post by: stlaleman on May 25, 2011, 01:44:09 PM
Can't wait to get the sign up that TonyP made me. I might be able to afford this after all!  ;D
Does it say
Gas, grass, or ass, no one drinks for free
Propane, malt, or sex just doesn't have the same ring to it.

Something else you can do weaze, I can't remember if someone mentioned this.  Put up a whiteboard where everyone can see it and track your expenses for the year on it.

Malt
Hops
Yeast
Other ingredients
Fuel
CO2
Cleaners/Sanitizers
Equipment

You can also track time spent and gallons produced.  It's a useful exercise at the very least, but it will lay it out for them pretty clearly the time and expense of the hobby.

Another thing you can do is let them buy you sacks of malt and in exchange you let them pick the next beer to be brewed and name it after them.  People love having beers named in their honor. :)

That is the worst idea I ever heard. I would not want my wife to see what I'm spending!
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Post by: weazletoe on May 25, 2011, 07:18:48 PM
 My friend Ann (who is vey hot, as a sidenote) hand painted me a very nice sign. It says "I may be cheap, but the beer I make isn't. Feel free to contribute to the next round." That was pretty cool of her. She did not even know of my plight. She just figured that people need to pony up for the beer they are drinking.  I think between that, and what Tony made me, I'll be set.
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Post by: Steve on May 25, 2011, 08:24:14 PM
That is the worst idea I ever heard. I would not want my wife to see what I'm spending!
Secrets and skeletons tsk, tsk, tsk.
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Post by: punatic on May 25, 2011, 09:46:58 PM
My friend Ann (who is vey hot, as a sidenote) hand painted me a very nice sign. It says "I may be cheap, but the beer I make isn't. Feel free to contribute to the next round." That was pretty cool of her. She did not even know of my plight. She just figured that people need to pony up for the beer they are drinking.  I think between that, and what Tony made me, I'll be set.

Pictures are good.   ;)
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Post by: tumarkin on May 25, 2011, 09:51:23 PM
My friend Ann (who is vey hot, as a sidenote) hand painted me a very nice sign. It says "I may be cheap, but the beer I make isn't. Feel free to contribute to the next round." That was pretty cool of her. She did not even know of my plight. She just figured that people need to pony up for the beer they are drinking.  I think between that, and what Tony made me, I'll be set.

Pictures are good.   ;)
pictures of the very hot Ann? or of her sign?   stupid question.... obviously both.
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: ccarlson on May 25, 2011, 10:10:16 PM
My friend Ann (who is vey hot, as a sidenote) hand painted me a very nice sign. It says "I may be cheap, but the beer I make isn't. Feel free to contribute to the next round." That was pretty cool of her. She did not even know of my plight. She just figured that people need to pony up for the beer they are drinking.  I think between that, and what Tony made me, I'll be set.

Pictures are good.   ;)
pictures of the very hot Ann? or of her sign?   stupid question.... obviously both.

I've seen plenty of signs. ;D
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: punatic on May 25, 2011, 10:23:30 PM
My friend Ann (who is vey hot, as a sidenote) hand painted me a very nice sign. It says "I may be cheap, but the beer I make isn't. Feel free to contribute to the next round." That was pretty cool of her. She did not even know of my plight. She just figured that people need to pony up for the beer they are drinking.  I think between that, and what Tony made me, I'll be set.

Pictures are good.   ;)
pictures of the very hot Ann? or of her sign?   stupid question.... obviously both.

Signs?
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: weazletoe on May 26, 2011, 09:10:10 PM
It's the only pic of her I have. Really doesn't do her justice. You really just have to see her in person. But, how do you explain to your wife why you have pics of her hot best friend on your computer? :-\

(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd235/Weazletoe/002.jpg)
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: punatic on May 26, 2011, 10:59:57 PM
Double edged sword that one; trouble if you do - trouble if you don't...

"What, you don't like my best friend?"    ::)
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Post by: chumley on May 27, 2011, 08:12:40 PM
This is a pretty funny thread.

As a westerner, I can offer this:  Out here in the Rocky Mountains, we are used to throwing parties with commercial beer, pushed by air, so the next day after the party folks are encouraged to come over to help kill the keg and fill their growlers before the beer spoils.  Maybe these light-in-the-loafers types from Poke-a-fellow (sorry, old joke that I had to bring up) are thinking that they are doing you a favor by drinking up your beer before the keg goes sour.

Plus, it being Poke-a-fellow, maybe they are trying to get rid of your beer before the Elders from the Sixteenth Ward find out that you've been drinking.  Who knows?  You're living in your own private Idaho.
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Post by: weazletoe on May 27, 2011, 09:19:32 PM
, maybe they are trying to get rid of your beer before the Elders from the Sixteenth Ward find out that you've been drinking. 

Now that's funny!
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Post by: thirsty on May 27, 2011, 10:19:45 PM
The only thing I can say for sure is that yes, your friend is hot.  :P
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Post by: bluesman on May 28, 2011, 02:06:47 AM
The only thing I can say for sure is that yes, your friend is hot.  :P

Yes...she's a cutie. Plus she makes great signs.  ;)
Title: Re: Love sharing my beer, BUT....
Post by: punatic on May 28, 2011, 03:41:29 AM
Signs?