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Title: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: jkeeler on June 06, 2011, 04:55:40 PM
If haven't seen this video yet, you must.
http://northernbrewer.blogspot.com/2011/06/illegal-homebrewing-in-alabama.html
Every homebrewer should know the situation in Alabama.

cheers
Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: tomsawyer on June 06, 2011, 04:58:58 PM
Link didn't work for me.
Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: Hokerer on June 06, 2011, 05:01:27 PM
Looks like his URL got truncated.  Try...

http://northernbrewer.blogspot.com/2011/06/illegal-homebrewing-in-alabama.html (http://northernbrewer.blogspot.com/2011/06/illegal-homebrewing-in-alabama.html)
Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: theDarkSide on June 06, 2011, 05:08:43 PM
I saw it after seeing the Facebook post this morning.  Truly unbelievable!

Let's hope the AHA and Alamba homebrewers can educate these folks!

"What is M-E-A-D anyways?  ::)

Also...if there's a bootlegger in your county and you know where he is...arrest him.  It's probably that guy's next door neighbor!  Geez!
Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: tschmidlin on June 06, 2011, 05:18:51 PM
Wow, it seems like a real uphill battle.  :-\
Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: jkeeler on June 06, 2011, 05:52:39 PM
Link fixed, sorry about that guys!
Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: tomsawyer on June 06, 2011, 06:22:21 PM
Equal parts ignorance and stupidity, theres no changing this bunch with education.  Bible Belt mentality towards alcohol isn't something you can change.
Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: maxieboy on June 06, 2011, 06:41:36 PM
 :o :o Scary stuff. Gonna be a long fight there...
Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: glastctbrew on June 06, 2011, 08:09:31 PM
I find it sad more than anything else.  And I fear the problem the AHA and the Bama Home-brewers face is that these elected officials won't acknowledge that they are ignorant about Home Brewing, Wine Making and M.E.A.D making.  As a CT yankee, all I can do is keep paying my AHA dues to support their efforts to back up those of you in Alabama.

A tip of the hat to all of you down in Alabama and Mississippi fighting this fight.
Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: Slowbrew on June 06, 2011, 08:27:16 PM
I don't even know what I can say about.  Wow, just wow.  I wouldn't be so shocked except for the 3rd (maybe 4th) gentleman they quoted who pronounced half of his words (that you could make out) incorrectly.  These guys got elected?  Wow.  I'll never look at Iowa's Senate the same way again.

I was impressed, a small amount, by the guy who actually figured out kids might be able to get booze easier this way.  To bad he missed the real argument that the kids could make it themselves.  It's not illegal for a teenager to buy grain, vegetables and yeast.   ;)  My son's friends asked him in 6th grade if he could supply the senior kegger.

I just renewed my AHA membership and it seems like I'll need to for a long time to come for the AL brewers.

Paul
Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: tomsawyer on June 06, 2011, 09:11:32 PM
Honestly I think these guys just represent their constituents and are the result of their upbringing.  Preachers pounding them about the evils of drink, and bootlegging stories of lead-laced or methanol-contaminated hooch are what these guys are familiar with.  Plus theres some real truth to the idea that alcohol has detrimental effects on society, especially to poor people who are in abundance in AL.  How does that relate to homebrew?  It is obviously seen by them as a way to make cheap liquor.

Obviously there needs to be some simplification of the next bill.  I'd do a few things based on the testimony we heard.  First, I'd lower the amount to maybe 50gal and make sure someone points ou that this is like drinking one scotch a day for one person, and point out that beer is perishable and would not actually be accumulated but consumed as it is made.  This would let homebrew shops open and who's going to count after that?  Second, I'd leave out the word "mead" since obviously the average joe doesn't know what it is and we'll just refer to it as honey wine from now on.  Third, I'd limit sales of homebrewing supplies to minors.  Then there'd be no difference in the potential for kids to obtain homebrew versus any other liquor in the house.

Then I'd point out that making beer is not cheaper than buying commercial beer.  I'd point out that Thomas Jefferson had his own brewery at Monticello (someone else made this point on the NB forum and I think it would carry some weight in a legislative body.)

Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: ccarlson on June 06, 2011, 10:21:17 PM
Honestly I think these guys just represent their constituents and are the result of their upbringing.  Preachers pounding them about the evils of drink, and bootlegging stories of lead-laced or methanol-contaminated hooch are what these guys are familiar with.  Plus theres some real truth to the idea that alcohol has detrimental effects on society, especially to poor people who are in abundance in AL.  How does that relate to homebrew?  It is obviously seen by them as a way to make cheap liquor.

Obviously there needs to be some simplification of the next bill.  I'd do a few things based on the testimony we heard.  First, I'd lower the amount to maybe 50gal and make sure someone points ou that this is like drinking one scotch a day for one person, and point out that beer is perishable and would not actually be accumulated but consumed as it is made.  This would let homebrew shops open and who's going to count after that?  Second, I'd leave out the word "mead" since obviously the average joe doesn't know what it is and we'll just refer to it as honey wine from now on.  Third, I'd limit sales of homebrewing supplies to minors.  Then there'd be no difference in the potential for kids to obtain homebrew versus any other liquor in the house.

Then I'd point out that making beer is not cheaper than buying commercial beer.  I'd point out that Thomas Jefferson had his own brewery at Monticello (someone else made this point on the NB forum and I think it would carry some weight in a legislative body.)



If you can't make homebrew cheaper than commercial beer, you're doing something wrong.
Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: thomasbarnes on June 06, 2011, 10:32:02 PM
I am so sorry for you guys in Alabama and Mississippi. Not just because you can't brew without being lumped in with moonshiners, but also because you have some serious idiots in the state legislature. How the hell did Alvin Holmes get elected?
Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: tomsawyer on June 06, 2011, 10:41:42 PM
If you can't make homebrew cheaper than commercial beer, you're doing something wrong.

I know that and you know that, but if you took a retail extract situation and compared to Busch Light on sale I think it'd serve the purpose.  we're not talking about telling the truth, heck we're dealing with politicians.  You have to counterspin their spin.

It'd also be effective to compare the alcohol content of a pint of session beer to two fingers of Chivas Regal.  I swear I about fell out of my chair laughing when the one guy started bragging about drinking Chivas.
Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: ccarlson on June 06, 2011, 11:23:24 PM
If you can't make homebrew cheaper than commercial beer, you're doing something wrong.

I know that and you know that, but if you took a retail extract situation and compared to Busch Light on sale I think it'd serve the purpose.  we're not talking about telling the truth, heck we're dealing with politicians.  You have to counterspin their spin.

It'd also be effective to compare the alcohol content of a pint of session beer to two fingers of Chivas Regal.  I swear I about fell out of my chair laughing when the one guy started bragging about drinking Chivas.

Oh yeah, I could spin it as being the most expensive beer around. :D
Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: The Professor on June 06, 2011, 11:32:33 PM
Equal parts ignorance and stupidity, theres no changing this bunch with education.  Bible Belt mentality towards alcohol isn't something you can change.

It's worse than that.  
These boneheads (and I'm being kind)  seem oblivious to the 1970's era Federal law signed by president Jimmy Carter...himself an avowed born-again Christian, and who is also a  member of the same party as most of the numbskulls who voted down this Alabama bill.

I guess the a**clowns in the Alabama legislature don't bother to do any research (or hire a staff to do research) before they make fools of themselves spouting about subjects on which they have no background information.

And don't even get me started on the guy bragging about his love for Chivas... :o  That was just too damned funny.

Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: maxieboy on June 07, 2011, 02:19:34 AM
Equal parts ignorance and stupidity, theres no changing this bunch with education.  Bible Belt mentality towards alcohol isn't something you can change.

It's worse than that.  
These boneheads (and I'm being kind)  seem oblivious to the 1970's era Federal law signed by president Jimmy Carter...himself an avowed born-again Christian, and who is also a  member of the same party as most of the numbskulls who voted down this Alabama bill.

I guess the a**clowns in the Alabama legislature don't bother to do any research (or hire a staff to do research) before they make fools of themselves spouting about subjects on which they have no background information.

And don't even get me started on the guy bragging about his love for Chivas... :o  That was just too damned funny.



For you Opie and Anthony fans, this guy is the same dummy(along with an assistant) they had a sound bite on concerning some type of beer related legislation(if memory serves, it was about allowing higher alcohol beers to be sold); "what's wrong with beer we got? It drank pretty good..." SMH...
Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: phillamb168 on June 07, 2011, 09:22:54 AM
Wow.

Makes the FN look tame.
Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: theDarkSide on June 07, 2011, 12:32:25 PM
For you Opie and Anthony fans, this guy is the same dummy(along with an assistant) they had a sound bite on concerning some type of beer related legislation(if memory serves, it was about allowing higher alcohol beers to be sold); "what's wrong with beer we got? It drank pretty good..." SMH...

I loved O&A when they were local hosts in the Boston area.  Whip'em Out Wednesdays ( WOW ) were the best!!!!  Then they had to get fired for that April Fool's joke about Mayor Menino being killed in a car accident in Florida.  Haven't listened to them since they went to pay radio.

I'm not sure I agree with the adjustments to the bill with lowering the amounts and taking mead out of the equation.  I really don't think it will matter with these people.  Someday I believe they will turn it around.  I'm just glad the rest of the country isn't following suit.
Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: ccarlson on June 07, 2011, 01:47:20 PM
Wow.

Makes the FN look tame.

Okay, I'll bite. What's an FN?
Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: majorvices on June 07, 2011, 02:16:30 PM
Just to save a little face here, there are plenty of educated and enlightened areas in Alabama. For instance, Huntsville has more rocket scientists and engineers per capita than almost anywhere else in the US. That said, there certainly are large wastelands of backwoods and backwards thinking people in this state.

These laws won't stand for ever. I imagine in the next 5-10 years we will get rid of the stupidest laws - most importantly the anti-homebrewing and bottle size law. I moved here in '93 from PA and back then the laws were even worse. It was only in the last 3 years or so that the abv limit was raised from 6% to 12% (or, it may be 13%, can't recall.) So things are changing. No offense to the homebrewers out there, but I hope the bottle law changes first (no beer in bottles larger than 12 oz). Homebrewing is pretty easy to hide and well tolerated by most people I've ever known and I have never heard of anyone who was actually arrested for homebrewing. I did know one guy who got harassed but he had an article in the LA times which featured his name, face and address. Hell, believe it or not we have homebrewing shops that operate in the open in Huntsville so there's a blind eye that is turned toward it.
Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: jeffy on June 07, 2011, 02:25:20 PM
but I hope the bottle law changes first (no beer in bottles larger than 12 oz).

We had a stupid bottle size law in Florida years ago too.  Only 8, 12, 16 and 32-or-more ounce containers were allowed.  That left out almost all the European beers and all the craft beer bombers.  It was mostly a beer distributor's law, which was only changed because of active homebrewers in the state and one common sense senator.  Finding a sponsor is the first step I would think.
Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: phillamb168 on June 07, 2011, 02:31:59 PM
Wow.

Makes the FN look tame.

Okay, I'll bite. What's an FN?

Front National = French Fascists (well, "allegedly") Of course there's a healthy dose of hyperbole there, but the guys in that audio just sounded so... ehhhh.
Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: theDarkSide on June 07, 2011, 02:56:25 PM
Just to save a little face here, there are plenty of educated and enlightened areas in Alabama. For instance, Huntsville has more rocket scientists and engineers per capita than almost anywhere else in the US.

And don't forget Spacecamp!!
Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: afacini on June 07, 2011, 04:58:24 PM
One of the more telling comments is right near the beginning: "...up to 100 gallons per year, without any licensure, oversight from any government entity, who can transport it [...] who's going to monitor that??" --Bill sponsor  Mac McCutcheon

Who says there needs to be oversight?? You don't have to live in Vermont to believe that less = more in government. These guys have much more pressing concerns in Alabama.

Listening to them, I just keep waiting for "now I ain't no fancy big-city lawyer..."  Any minute now...
Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: BrewingRover on June 07, 2011, 08:12:23 PM
Hell, believe it or not we have homebrewing shops that operate in the open in Huntsville so there's a blind eye that is turned toward it.

There was a shop open in Utah years before homebrewing was legal (which was just last year). I did read an article that at one point, an overzealous police department was following customers home  ::)
Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: Slowbrew on June 07, 2011, 08:33:33 PM
Every state has politicians who sound like idiots, but usually only 1 or 2 at a time.   :D

When I lived in NE they had Ernie Chambers.  Here in IA we have Steve King in Washington even as I type.  There is always some group of "got elected by good-'ol boy network" hick from the back woods type in every state.  It seems that AL has a lot of back woods.

Hopefully the sponsors of the bill that got voted down keep chipping away at it.

Paul
Title: Re: Have you seen this video about Alabama/homebrewing?
Post by: thomasbarnes on June 08, 2011, 07:49:24 AM
Just to save a little face here, there are plenty of educated and enlightened areas in Alabama. For instance, Huntsville has more rocket scientists and engineers per capita than almost anywhere else in the US. That said, there certainly are large wastelands of backwoods and backwards thinking people in this state.

Work on reversing the rocket scientist to redneck ratio. The rest will follow.