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Title: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: brewmasternpb on June 14, 2011, 03:19:45 AM
Hello all, does anyone know if the Wyeast French Saison yeast is quirky like the DuPont strain?  I pitched it yesterday into a 1.055 wort, and it had a steady Krausen for about 10 hours, and then all of the bubbles became big and transparent (like soap bubbles), and now (about 35 hours after pitching), the krausen is gone.  I haven't checked the gravity, I'm trying to relax, but I was wondering if this is typical of this yeast.
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: anthony on June 14, 2011, 04:43:39 AM
It is usually a very reliable workhorse yeast, especially compared to the DuPont strain. Its possible with that low of a starting gravity that you've already completed the majority of your attenuation.
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: majorvices on June 14, 2011, 12:29:39 PM
As was said above, its a total work horse. Finishes very dry with out nary a hitch.
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: hoser on June 14, 2011, 01:25:35 PM
The only way to know for sure is to check the gravity.  I used the same strain a couple of months back and it took at 1.064 saison down to 1.002 in about 2 weeks.  As the others have said, it is a workhorse!
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: denny on June 14, 2011, 01:29:52 PM
It is a bit quirky in that it likes to wear a beret, grow a pencil thin moustache and smoke Gauloise cigarettes...other than, no.....;)
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: morticaixavier on June 14, 2011, 02:51:13 PM
It is a bit quirky in that it likes to wear a beret, grow a pencil thin moustache and smoke Gauloise cigarettes...other than, no.....;)

mmm gauloise. Back in my smoking days those were a fav. stank to high heaven though
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: dbeechum on June 14, 2011, 03:30:15 PM
French Saison is a trooper.
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: brewmasternpb on June 15, 2011, 03:05:28 AM
That's good news, the big bubbles are gone now and it is actually still truckin' along.  Way to call it guys!
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: brewmichigan on June 17, 2011, 07:20:54 PM
I brewed a Sasion using the 3711 yeast on the 11th and as of 2 days ago it was down to 1.010 and still showing signs of fermentation. I would expect this one to hit 1.005 or lower.
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: redbeerman on June 17, 2011, 08:16:52 PM
I brewed a Sasion using the 3711 yeast on the 11th and as of 2 days ago it was down to 1.010 and still showing signs of fermentation. I would expect this one to hit 1.005 or lower.

I had this one go down to 1.002 from 1.054.  The one thing I don't care for is the slippery mouthfeel as mentioned in the specs for this yeast, but it does ferment like crazy.
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: brewmichigan on June 20, 2011, 01:38:20 PM
I brewed a Sasion using the 3711 yeast on the 11th and as of 2 days ago it was down to 1.010 and still showing signs of fermentation. I would expect this one to hit 1.005 or lower.

I had this one go down to 1.002 from 1.054.  The one thing I don't care for is the slippery mouthfeel as mentioned in the specs for this yeast, but it does ferment like crazy.

I had mine finish at 1.005. I tried the hydrometer sample and was surprised at the mouth feel. I think a yeast like this needs a "slippery" mouth feel in order for it to not seem like it's 1.005 or lower. I'll keg it up soon and we'll see how it tastes after a few weeks in there.
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: anthony on June 25, 2011, 06:39:54 AM
I don't think the mouthfeel issue is nearly as noticable if you push the beer up to the carbonation that is appropriate for style (effervescent).
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: richardt on June 26, 2011, 03:14:09 AM
Agree with all the above.  French Saison does a great job and quickly.  done in a week and a half or less.  I can't tell the difference from the Belgian Saison yeast (though others sometimes say they can--YMMV).  I just don't care for the Belgian saison yeast (dupont) fussiness and tendency to get stuck around 1.035 or whatever, and taking 3 + weeks to get done.  Ain't got the time for that.
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: 1vertical on June 27, 2011, 11:19:57 PM
Mine was pitched Yesterday and is pootin along nicely.
In case you missed the pic here tiz again....
I planted some WY 3711 in this fertile,cooled, oxygenated wert   ;D
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a87/Vertical1/Saison2011OG.jpg)
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: 1vertical on July 08, 2011, 04:15:48 AM
And I checked the gravity today and it was a whopping 1.006. Dry and complete...
Not at all floculated out but I have plenty of time.  Hyd. Tube contents tasted fine.
Sorry a little bit out of focus....
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a87/Vertical1/Saison2011FG.jpg)

I am gonna brew a lighter gravity beer tomorrow and put it on the yeast cake
It will be like a patersbier I hope.

So far this is my favorite Saison Yeast...
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: brewmichigan on July 08, 2011, 02:45:39 PM
I've had my saison I made with 3711 in the keg for alomst 2 weeks and there's not much clearing going on. I believe this yeast is a low floc-er.
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: EHall on July 08, 2011, 04:38:04 PM
Couple years ago I found a kit for a black french saison, I thought it looked interesting so I got it and brewed it. It used 3711 and also, which was very new, at least to me at the time, NZ Cascade hops in it. Well... I ended up giving it to a buddy who thought it was awesome. I just didnt like it. Nothing wrong with it, just didnt like the way it tasted... I've never used 3711 again. But something I just figured out earlier this week... I've been doing test smashs with NZ hops and finally got around to drinking the NZ cascade. I now know what I didnt like about it... the mix of that hop with the characters of that yeast just didn't blend well in my opinion. So it was pretty cool to figure out a combo I don't like... I may actually give that yeast a try again... with just a 'regular' saison recipe and 'traditional' hops...
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: 1vertical on July 13, 2011, 12:41:03 PM
So much for my Lighter Beer...I missed the numbers
because I just did not want to mash that small of a grain quantity...
I added a handfull of this, and a hand full of that ...and some
extra odds n ends of grain that needed to be used....
The gravity went to 1.071 and I cooled it and pitched it on the
Yeast cake hit it with lots of med grade Oxygen and it took off fermenting
before I got the brewery cleaning finished.  I left it in the warmish
garage thinking saison can stand the warmer temp ...it was cooled into
the 60's mind you...when I found it next morning it had ramped up
and was really fermenting hard. The temp may have been in the 80's
I did not measure it, but it had some internal heat going on...I am thinking
this beer may be a headache beer...(I still don't know). So I moved it into the front
of the swamp cooler.  Three days later it has stopped fermenting and the
sp.gr. was 1.011....I am thinking this is scarey...The Hyd tube was so yeasty
Highly turbid! I poured it into a glass  and then set the glass into the refer to crash
 cool...that evening I tried the beer and well It made beer, gonna need a lotta time
 to condition but maybe ok...

Three days to chew thru that much sugar...WOW what a workhorse.

Today, I see it out gassing some so I will give it another week to clean up itself
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: brewmasternpb on August 12, 2011, 05:00:55 AM
I Brewed a Rye Saison at 1.074.  It fermented down to 1.006.
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: crworkman on November 08, 2011, 04:57:49 PM
Do you need to push the temp up on this one, like the DuPont strain?
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: dbarber on November 08, 2011, 05:00:27 PM
No, I typically ferment this yeast in mid-60s and never had a problem with attenutation; usually finishes in mid single digits.
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: 1vertical on November 08, 2011, 05:28:56 PM
Follow up from last post  ::) now 4 months later and pouring a decent beer.
It still has a bit more turbidity than I believe It should and it may clear up
before the keg gets kicked.  Not any fuesels, no headache...just saison.
It really has a lot of head. Must be from the handfuls of this n that that I added.
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: davidgzach on November 08, 2011, 05:36:52 PM
Good to know.  I used the Belgian in my last Saison and it stalled at 1.030.  Had to raise the temp over 80F to get it kick-started again!  The beer came out great, but what a hassle!  I think I know what beer I'm making next.......
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: FRACKER on November 08, 2011, 05:43:51 PM
In my experience 3711 is a real freight train. I usually ferment it in the high 70s and usually get an FG around 1.004. As far as the turbidity I'd have to suggest that it's either your mash temp (Yielding high protein concentration), your chilling process (not bringing your temp down quick enough), or your adjuncts.

Personally I love that yeast. I've used it with every Saison that I've brewed, and always with incredible results.
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: 1vertical on November 08, 2011, 05:50:41 PM
In my experience 3711 is a real freight train. I usually ferment it in the high 70s and usually get an FG around 1.004. As far as the turbidity I'd have to suggest that it's either your mash temp (Yielding high protein concentration), your chilling process (not bringing your temp down quick enough), or your adjuncts.

Personally I love that yeast. I've used it with every Saison that I've brewed, and always with incredible results.
I secondary in my Corney Keg and just go for the gusto.  It could just be the dregs that setteled down to the dip tube area
and they are first out...I have only poured 3 glasses out of this keg so far...and the carb level is too high I am sure...

And david, I usually ferment saisons in the summer just to take advantage of the high ambient temps.
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: FRACKER on November 09, 2011, 01:48:41 AM
To keep my fermentation temps up in the winter (I live in upstate NY), I fill a rubbermade tub with water, and I bought a submersible fish tank heater for it. it has room for 2 carboys and it works amazing all year long!
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: denny on November 09, 2011, 02:06:11 AM
To keep my fermentation temps up in the winter (I live in upstate NY), I fill a rubbermade tub with water, and I bought a submersible fish tank heater for it. it has room for 2 carboys and it works amazing all year long!

Wow, how big is that tub?  I've been using that method for a long time, but I can only do one batch at a time.
Title: Re: French Saison yeast quirky?
Post by: FRACKER on November 09, 2011, 01:47:08 PM
I use one of those big 50 gal "packers" that you get at walmart. To help the fishtank heater maintain the temp, i keep the setup in a closet with the doors closed. I can fit two 6 gal carboys and a 3 gal at the same time, it's pretty awesome......except when I have to change the water. That's usually a 2 person job  :-\