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Title: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: 1vertical on June 17, 2011, 01:02:37 AM
Coming up this fall for the market.  I saw a new
variety I was unfamiliar with anyone shed some info on this hop?

SaraBrianka..... ???
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: majorvices on June 17, 2011, 03:14:21 AM
Really? I dated her in high school!
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: euge on June 17, 2011, 07:36:01 AM
OH man! I still got a freezer full from years ago. Been furiously brewing through that 2 pounds of Zeus I bought. That I didn't like. At first. ::)

Of course I will be placing an order when the time is right! Thanks! Czech Saaz for the barrage Czech Pils I plan to make. And some low alpha varieties.

And what's is with the SaraBrianka? Google search reveals little.
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: 1vertical on June 17, 2011, 01:28:26 PM
That is why I posted this Euge...exactly why...
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: a10t2 on June 17, 2011, 01:56:11 PM
I saw that too. I think someone is having a little fun with the emails.
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: hopfenundmalz on June 18, 2011, 12:14:46 AM
Looking through the new Hopunion Hop Variety Handbook, I see that the father of Cascade was Serebrianka.

SarahBrianka might be another offspring?
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: 1vertical on June 18, 2011, 12:55:33 AM
Looking through the new Hopunion Hop Variety Handbook, I see that the father of Cascade was Serebrianka.

SarahBrianka might be another offspring?
Interesting perhaps the result of deplorable spelling or typing??
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: alikocho on June 18, 2011, 10:04:41 PM
Serebrianka is a Russian hop, which is reputed as the father of Cascade. Cascade was released in 1972, in the early stages of detente between the Soviet Union and the USA. Whether the splicing relates to this is anyone's guess.

Serebrianka as a name  indicates the growing region (like Hallertauer), in Kursk Oblast in Southern Russia. Incidentally the name translates into Russian as 'silvery', or 'smooth-tongue'.

I actually have some of these in my freezer, bought in Russia.

Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: 1vertical on June 18, 2011, 10:21:02 PM
Serebrianka is a Russian hop, which is reputed as the father of Cascade. Cascade was released in 1972, in the early stages of detente between the Soviet Union and the USA. Whether the splicing relates to this is anyone's guess.

Serebrianka as a name  indicates the growing region (like Hallertauer), in Kursk Oblast in Southern Russia. Incidentally the name translates into Russian as 'silvery', or 'smooth-tongue'.

I actually have some of these in my freezer, bought in Russia.


Many humble thanks.  I wonder if you would mind sharing your 1st hand knowledge of these...like their flavor
profile and approximate AA %.....???
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on June 19, 2011, 01:07:34 AM
Serebrianka is a Russian hop, which is reputed as the father of Cascade. Cascade was released in 1972, in the early stages of detente between the Soviet Union and the USA. Whether the splicing relates to this is anyone's guess.

Serebrianka as a name  indicates the growing region (like Hallertauer), in Kursk Oblast in Southern Russia. Incidentally the name translates into Russian as 'silvery', or 'smooth-tongue'.

I actually have some of these in my freezer, bought in Russia.


Many humble thanks.  I wonder if you would mind sharing your 1st hand knowledge of these...like their flavor
profile and approximate AA %.....???
Fascinating.
Also thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: alikocho on June 19, 2011, 08:02:48 AM
Some details that might be helpful.

The package in my freezer says that the AA is 5.7%.

The flavour profile - slightly floral, with a touch of citrus (I get lemon). Very clean aroma.

I asked a Russian brewer friend last night about these - he told me that the Russian's consider them to be a noble variety (along with several other indigenous hops) and they are seen as dual purpose hops. Their usage in brewing was much higher prior to the end of WW2, when Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe led to many brewries to move towards using Saaz. He claimed that Stepan Razin Martovskoye  (St Petersburg) still uses Serebrianka.

I'm actually toying with the idea of writing a history of Soviet beer and brewing. While we know about Russian Imperial Stout and Baltic Porters, there's nothing much on post-1917. Time, and what I can find in Russian archives would be the major factor in this project (and finding a publisher).
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: denny on June 19, 2011, 05:27:28 PM
I mentioned this to Dave Wills of Freshops last night and he was dumbstruck that Sarabrianka was available.  He said that Cascade came from a cross of that Fuggle, and something else he couldn't recall at the moment.  Hey, we were at the Awards Banquet and there was some beer involved....
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: alikocho on June 19, 2011, 06:24:57 PM
I mentioned this to Dave Wills of Freshops last night and he was dumbstruck that Sarabrianka was available.  He said that Cascade came from a cross of that Fuggle, and something else he couldn't recall at the moment.  Hey, we were at the Awards Banquet and there was some beer involved....

Supposedly a cross of Serebrianka, Fuggle and a Fuggle derivative....
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: timberati on June 20, 2011, 01:46:26 AM
I'm actually toying with the idea of writing a history of Soviet beer and brewing. While we know about Russian Imperial Stout and Baltic Porters, there's nothing much on post-1917. Time, and what I can find in Russian archives would be the major factor in this project (and finding a publisher).

It sounds like a story worth telling. You might pitch a magazine for an article first, then you could get paid to do the research. The magazine would depend on how you pitch the article.
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: alikocho on June 20, 2011, 06:49:39 AM
I'm actually toying with the idea of writing a history of Soviet beer and brewing. While we know about Russian Imperial Stout and Baltic Porters, there's nothing much on post-1917. Time, and what I can find in Russian archives would be the major factor in this project (and finding a publisher).

It sounds like a story worth telling. You might pitch a magazine for an article first, then you could get paid to do the research. The magazine would depend on how you pitch the article.

I hadn't thought about being paid to do the research, more that I would get a modest advance on a book. I'm a university professor in Russian History, so actually research these sorts of things for a living. Of course, most of my writing has been rather academic in nature, but I think this might have a broader appeal. While I know how to work the academic publishers, I've never played with the others...But, I think I'm going to write a proposal.
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: thomasbarnes on June 24, 2011, 06:02:45 AM
I hadn't thought about being paid to do the research, more that I would get a modest advance on a book. I'm a university professor in Russian History, so actually research these sorts of things for a living.

You might also investigate some of the more obscure traditional Eastern European beers, especially if you have access to foreign language sources or regularly travel to Russia and surrounding countries. There might be some interest in the variations on Kvass. I'm also intrigued by an obscure Ukrainian beer (or beer brand) called "Bile" - which, despite the horrible name, is a tasty light-bodied slightly sour wheat beer which splits the difference between an American wheat and a Berlinerweisse..

AFAIK, nobody's written anything in English on the history of brewing of brewing in the X-USSR/CIS or the former Warsaw Pact nations. Even after the Berlin Wall fell, Michael Jackson didn't venture that far into Eastern Europe. Currently, the only book in English I know of on brewing or the beer scene in Eastern Europe is the CAMRA Good Beer Guide to Prague, which obviously doesn't cover the entire country.

So, the story of Communist era brewing has probably yet to be told. A potential place to start is Ron Pattinson's "European Beer Guide" (http://www.europeanbeerguide.net/). He's an amateur historian, but he's done a lot of work into primary sources, especially historical foreign language sources.
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: tschmidlin on June 24, 2011, 08:01:48 AM
Where is the announcement for this year's crop?  I can't find it anywhere.
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: tygo on June 24, 2011, 10:42:20 AM
It was an email.  I can't find it on the site either.  Here's some of the text:


Summertime in the Yakima Valley is typically a very hot and dry season, making the valley an exceptional area for growing hops. Growing season is primetime to witness the payoff of your hard work; however, you must be aware of the possibility of aphid infestation in your crops. To help eliminate this frequent issue, we use a specialty pesticide on our farm. Pay close attention to your crops as aphids are extremely common.

 

     Also during this time, you can assist the plants to reach their full potential in many ways. Make sure that the soil surrounding the hop plant is moist, but do not drown the plant by overwatering, as this will cause root rot. After the plants are really growing, (about two months) you should fertilize them with any balanced potted plant fertilizer, such as Miracle-Gro┬«. Hops also benefit from applications of a garden fertilizer, such as Mega Green, in spring and summer during growth season.
 
 
Varieties Growing on Puterbaugh Farms

The 2011 varieties of hop varieties that we are growing this summer and will be selling includes:

   

 

Cascade                                  Centennial                             

Chinook                                   Cluster

Columbus                                Galena

Magnum                                   Mt. Hood

No. Brewer                               Nugget

Tettnanger                               Willamette                       

   

 

Our new varieties that we will also offer but will not be available until the end of September include:

 

Calypso                                   Newport

Pilot*                                      SaraBrianka

Ultra

 

* Unavailable until the end of the year, imported from UK

 
 
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: gordonstrong on June 24, 2011, 05:39:27 PM
I'm still amused by the thoughts of hops from Kursk.  Instead of type T-90, they are type T-34.  Aroma of cordite and diesel.
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: alikocho on June 24, 2011, 06:20:48 PM
I'm still amused by the thoughts of hops from Kursk.  Instead of type T-90, they are type T-34.  Aroma of cordite and diesel.

That was a thought that hadn't occurred to me.

Put's a whole new meaning on the notion of of hop-bombs.

(for those confused here, Kursk was a battle on the Eastern Front in the summer of 1943. It remains the largest tank battle in history. The T-34 was a Soviet Tank.)
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: alikocho on June 24, 2011, 06:50:49 PM
I hadn't thought about being paid to do the research, more that I would get a modest advance on a book. I'm a university professor in Russian History, so actually research these sorts of things for a living.

AFAIK, nobody's written anything in English on the history of brewing of brewing in the X-USSR/CIS or the former Warsaw Pact nations. Even after the Berlin Wall fell, Michael Jackson didn't venture that far into Eastern Europe. Currently, the only book in English I know of on brewing or the beer scene in Eastern Europe is the CAMRA Good Beer Guide to Prague, which obviously doesn't cover the entire country.


I've run the literature search, and there's nothing in English on brewing in the former USSR. There's not really anything in Russian either. It seems it's worth doing.
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: hopfenundmalz on June 24, 2011, 08:54:14 PM
I'm still amused by the thoughts of hops from Kursk.  Instead of type T-90, they are type T-34.  Aroma of cordite and diesel.
That was a thought that hadn't occurred to me.

Put's a whole new meaning on the notion of of hop-bombs.

(for those confused here, Kursk was a battle on the Eastern Front in the summer of 1943. It remains the largest tank battle in history. The T-34 was a Soviet Tank.)
Some may have needed the explaination, but I was laughing when I read Gordon's post.  Some say the T-34 was the best tank of the war.
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: bluesman on June 24, 2011, 09:07:54 PM
Has anyone tried the SaraBrianka hops yet? What kind of aroma/flavor do they lend to the finished beer?
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: alikocho on June 24, 2011, 09:18:01 PM
I've tried the Russian version. See my earlier description on page 1 of the thread.
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: bluesman on June 24, 2011, 09:18:53 PM
I've tried the Russian version. See my earlier description on page 1 of the thread.

Sorry...I missed that. Have you used them yet?

Thanks  :)
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: alikocho on June 24, 2011, 09:29:38 PM
I'm also intrigued by an obscure Ukrainian beer (or beer brand) called "Bile" - which, despite the horrible name, is a tasty light-bodied slightly sour wheat beer which splits the difference between an American wheat and a Berlinerweisse.

Bile (pronounced with a terminal ye) is the Ukrainian word for white. The Russian equivalent is Beloe. I've had stacks of these in Moscow and Petersburg, and yes, they do fall between an American Wheat and a Berlinerweisse.
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on June 28, 2011, 02:55:04 AM
I hadn't thought about being paid to do the research, more that I would get a modest advance on a book. I'm a university professor in Russian History, so actually research these sorts of things for a living.

AFAIK, nobody's written anything in English on the history of brewing of brewing in the X-USSR/CIS or the former Warsaw Pact nations. Even after the Berlin Wall fell, Michael Jackson didn't venture that far into Eastern Europe. Currently, the only book in English I know of on brewing or the beer scene in Eastern Europe is the CAMRA Good Beer Guide to Prague, which obviously doesn't cover the entire country.


I've run the literature search, and there's nothing in English on brewing in the former USSR. There's not really anything in Russian either. It seems it's worth doing.
If you find any Czech or Slovak brewing text I can help you to translate it.
Title: Re: Hops Direct announced this years crop
Post by: b-hoppy on June 28, 2011, 05:22:07 PM
After looking at the information here:  http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/person/2450/hopcultivars/21045.html it looks like it very well could be an old continental variety with the tiny sidearms and low alpha and cohumulone.  The problem with many of these older varieties is that they are generally really poor producers no matter where they're grown.