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Title: Vibrams
Post by: 1vertical on July 16, 2011, 03:25:50 PM
Just got my first pair and am in the trial/get used to em mode.

They may be the answer to some of my foot problems...at any rate,
my initial impression is Option #1

I got the KSO TrekSport Model could not find the Kanga leather ones here.
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a87/Vertical1/Vibrams.jpg)
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: euge on July 16, 2011, 04:29:38 PM
A couple people at work are wearing these freaky running shoes. :D

They're supposed to help with foot pain? I've been hobbling around all week and even my Crocs don't seem to help my left foot.
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: 1vertical on July 16, 2011, 05:29:29 PM
Ok, This is my thinking on these.... We were NOT born with shoes...We cram
our feet into Shoes that are NOT made to fit our feet....the shoes want to make
our feet fit Them....I am giving my feet a chance to remain protected on the soles
and at the same time, escape the confines of the "BOX".  Hell  back in the day
when I was a young man, I loved kicking up and down the beach barefoot and
that is kind of what wearing these seems to be like.  It is only day 2 for me,
and so the test continues....so far, so good and this morning, my heel pain was
VERY diminished....

(Disclaimer, I am no way affiliated with Vibram or their products I am only a consumer
I am also not giving any medical advice)
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: 1vertical on July 16, 2011, 08:00:21 PM
A couple people at work are wearing these freaky running shoes. :D

They're supposed to help with foot pain? I've been hobbling around all week and even my Crocs don't seem to help my left foot.

Euge, this thing is helping me as well...you prolly really need to work thru the pain
with it, and don't mince your efforts but just sayin....\
http://footlog.com/  (http://footlog.com/)
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: punatic on July 17, 2011, 01:20:38 AM
Looks good on you.   ::)
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: nicneufeld on July 17, 2011, 01:31:07 AM
Friend of mine would be all over this...he was very evangelistic about "barefoot running" and used that very same line about how we weren't born with shoes and they aren't natural (nor are motorcycle helmets but they are nicely protective!), and then he went out in the middle of our brutally cold winter and nearly lost a toe or two to frostbite!  It was a bit of a near loss of digits for him there at first, so I had to refrain from laughing too much or making too much fun, but its funny to me now, at least!

Still, these things, strange as they look, have got to be a better idea than running barefoot in city streets and sidewalks.
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: corkybstewart on July 17, 2011, 06:42:29 AM
they don't come in my size so I can't wear them.  I tried, but I haven't seen them in size 10 4E anywhere.
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: 1vertical on July 17, 2011, 12:23:00 PM
they don't come in my size so I can't wear them.  I tried, but I haven't seen them in size 10 4E anywhere.
You just gotta get to a pair and try em on...the mfg says the sizing is just done by putting your
heel against the wall and measuring out from there to the longest point on your foot in inches...I don't think
4E is a factor much because I have a similiar Width in size...
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: uthristy on July 17, 2011, 01:07:59 PM
  Hell  back in the day
when I was a young man, I loved kicking up and down the beach barefoot and
that is kind of what wearing these seems to be like.

Same here but after watching too many of the "Monsters Inside Me" shows I won't go barefoot anywhere outside but I'm really thinking of getting those "feet" soon for walking in the yard-pool area.

http://animal.discovery.com/tv/monsters-inside-me/
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: 1vertical on July 17, 2011, 01:19:02 PM
Yeah, Our own Babalu is testimony to that ...and if you are so inclined,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_Our_Skin  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_Our_Skin)  Another nice little disease vector...
but back on TOPIC...How do you like your vibrams....???
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: uthristy on July 17, 2011, 01:27:36 PM
I'll probably get a pair next week or two.
 

re: Lyme disease, I should have taken a pic of the tick bite last month :o
Looked like a golfball under my skin after the bite wound swelled, needless to say the wife was concerned. 101F fever, muscle aches and then just like that I was back to normal ;)
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: majorvices on July 17, 2011, 02:38:52 PM
I've been wearing them for about 2 years now. I kinda cycle on and off with them. They are great for hiking, as long as you are not carrying a pack heavier than 15 lbs or so. My feet will hurt after a rocky hike longer than 8 miles. I ran 6 miles in them once at a 10 mile per min. pace and had serious ankle problems that lasted a month, so be very careful adjusting to them. I haven't done that again but I have worked up to about 3 miles. That said, I get a calf soreness if I run in them all the time. I will say, they have strengthened my feet significantly and some of the plantar issues I was having have cleared up about 90% just from wearing them around the house, walking dogs, short hikes, etc.

My wife wears them 10-0% of the time when she runs now, not longer than 3 miles. She does have some heal soreness, but some of her other foot issues seem to have cleared up.

Hope all that helps. I will say, I love mine. Ready for a new pair.
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: 1vertical on July 17, 2011, 03:22:17 PM
Thank you for weighing in Keith!  That is what I was needing to hear
cause they do NOT just give them away cheep   :o


re: Lyme disease, I should have taken a pic of the tick bite last month :o
Looked like a golfball under my skin after the bite wound swelled, needless to say the wife was concerned. 101F fever, muscle aches and then just like that I was back to normal ;)
I now document every mosquito bite, tick bite and Cat scratch so I can remember what happened
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: gisbrewmaster on July 17, 2011, 07:31:11 PM
I love my vibrams!! If I could wear them everywhere I would. They need to make a dress shoe!!

majorvices - If they are hurting your wife's heal she needs to pay attention to her foot strike. She was probably a heal striker in normal sneakers and since they are highly padded it didn't hurt. With vibrams you need to run on the balls of your feet.

These shoes have pretty much taken care of most of my knee pain from running but it took me about a month to get to 4-5 miles in them due to needing to strengthen my feet and calves because of a change in my running mechanics.

Matt
GISBREWMASTER
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: a10t2 on July 17, 2011, 08:15:05 PM
We were NOT born with shoes...

We weren't born walking/running on concrete either. Like Matt said, chronic foot/leg pain is more likely due to poor technique. To that end, these (or barefoot running) probably help, by eliminating the padding that allows people to get away with heel strikes. But that's nothing you couldn't accomplish in normal shoes with a little training.
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: 1vertical on July 17, 2011, 10:34:23 PM
We were NOT born with shoes...

We weren't born walking/running on concrete either. Like Matt said, chronic foot/leg pain is more likely due to poor technique. To that end, these (or barefoot running) probably help, by eliminating the padding that allows people to get away with heel strikes. But that's nothing you couldn't accomplish in normal shoes with a little training.
I agree concrete is killing me....my feet that is....I been down on medical leave for that exact reason.
 :'(
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: majorvices on July 18, 2011, 05:01:44 AM
I love my vibrams!! If I could wear them everywhere I would. They need to make a dress shoe!!

majorvices - If they are hurting your wife's heal she needs to pay attention to her foot strike. She was probably a heal striker in normal sneakers and since they are highly padded it didn't hurt. With vibrams you need to run on the balls of your feet.

These shoes have pretty much taken care of most of my knee pain from running but it took me about a month to get to 4-5 miles in them due to needing to strengthen my feet and calves because of a change in my running mechanics.

Matt
GISBREWMASTER

She's not a heel striker. Just a little plantar pain that she gets. After she switched from running shoes to the 5 fingers a lot of her other foot issues went away. She swears by them now. Personally, I'm not 100% sold on street running in them. I do believe that running shoes try to make your foot more like a hoof and that we were not meant to be hoofed animals. Hence the 5 fingers do make sense on some level. Personally, I'd rather hike or trail run and for that activity the 5 fingers can't be beat. Of course, not all of you have hundreds of miles of trails out your back door - like me. I'm lucky!  ;D
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: euge on July 18, 2011, 05:52:59 AM
Man I'm starting to get sold on these. Aren't they like $150 or something like that?

Right now I'm back to my Blundstones and taking aspirin.
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: 1vertical on July 18, 2011, 01:12:12 PM
Man I'm starting to get sold on these. Aren't they like $150 or something like that?

Right now I'm back to my Blundstones and taking aspirin.

Mine were $100 with taxes...you can order some from the website for like $85 but then pay shipping...meh...
Question, how much you gonna pay the doctor to get yourself out of pain ....I found the surgery for PF is
NOT always that successful 65/35% and if it is a fail you are Effed up for the rest of yer life...
I even had stem cell injection to avoid surgery...and I may have another... :-\
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: pinnah on July 18, 2011, 02:51:25 PM
I saw them on sale at Mountain Gear this weekend.

How are they for arch support?  That seems to be my problem at the moment.

But seriously, I don't think I would be caught dead with those things on my feet.
Although I can remember folks laughing at me when I bought my first pair of Tevas back in '88. ;)
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: 1vertical on July 18, 2011, 03:17:15 PM
I saw them on sale at Mountain Gear this weekend.

How are they for arch support?  That seems to be my problem at the moment.

But seriously, I don't think I would be caught dead with those things on my feet.
Although I can remember folks laughing at me when I bought my first pair of Tevas back in '88. ;)
When I have them on, it reminds me of when Phys. Therapist taped my fascia...so yes
there is some support.  It really is like going barefoot with good calouses built up....
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: blatz on July 18, 2011, 03:29:36 PM
cool conversation guys - I've been on the fence about getting them, but my Asics are wearing out now, and I think I may go try these on based on the good reviews.
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: 1vertical on July 18, 2011, 03:58:34 PM
cool conversation guys - I've been on the fence about getting them, but my Asics are wearing out now, and I think I may go try these on based on the good reviews.
Down side may be persperation and the associated funk that goes along.  FWIW care seems to be wash and drip dry so
if funkiness is an issue seems easy enough to deal with.
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: euge on July 18, 2011, 05:58:39 PM
Think the KSO's are available for $75 in my area. My colleague got the KSO Trek for lots more- maybe $125. He's a runner though. I'm not. 8)
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: gisbrewmaster on July 18, 2011, 08:28:49 PM
I saw them on sale at Mountain Gear this weekend.

How are they for arch support?  That seems to be my problem at the moment.

But seriously, I don't think I would be caught dead with those things on my feet.
Although I can remember folks laughing at me when I bought my first pair of Tevas back in '88. ;)
When I have them on, it reminds me of when Phys. Therapist taped my fascia...so yes
there is some support.  It really is like going barefoot with good calouses built up....

I don't have arch problems but I believe and I think read on their site that there is no arch support. They are basically like running barefoot with a mm of rubber to protect your feet


Also I am not a doctor or running mechanics expert but from what I read arch issues when running are partly due to shoes so even though there isn't arch support the way your will learn to run with them may not cause any arch problms.

Just my thoughts,

Matt
GISBREWMASTER
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: 1vertical on July 19, 2011, 04:47:10 AM
Think the KSO's are available for $75 in my area. My colleague got the KSO Trek for lots more- maybe $125. He's a runner though. I'm not. 8)
Yeah, that I thought was a good name...KSO = Keep Stuff Out....rocks, sticks, NOT cactus and grass burrs and fire ants...tho

I wanna see a pic of Weeze in a pair of vibrams with his utilikilt .....OMG
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: theoman on July 19, 2011, 07:30:39 AM
I ran 6 miles in them once at a 10 mile per min. pace...

Holy crap! I gotta get me some of these shoes!
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: majorvices on July 19, 2011, 12:05:55 PM
I ran 6 miles in them once at a 10 mile per min. pace...

Holy crap! I gotta get me some of these shoes!

Bwahaha! Too funny. I wish! But meant to say 10 min. per mile pace.
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: beersk on July 19, 2011, 03:15:06 PM
Aw, I totally missed that too!  Funny!

Alright, play with this idea....what if...now just what if!  ...  you wore the vibrams inside of your regular shoes?  Would that be, like, the best of both worlds?

I don't know about all this, the marathon runners from Kenya don't seem to have too many problems...and can I get vibrams that are cleat compatible for my bike?

So y'all like to use the excuse that we're not born with shoes on our feet!  Oh my!  We're not born with clothes on either.  I'd really not like to step on jagged glass or a nail with these suckers on...how much further that nail will go into your foot...yeesh.
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: blatz on July 19, 2011, 03:51:44 PM
banned by the military:  http://kingsofwar.org.uk/2011/06/us-army-cuts-off-five-fingers-bangs-head/

Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: majorvices on July 19, 2011, 04:19:07 PM
Aw, I totally missed that too!  Funny!

Alright, play with this idea....what if...now just what if!  ...  you wore the vibrams inside of your regular shoes?  Would that be, like, the best of both worlds?


I have worn mine inside a spare pair of wet boots at the brewery. But, as far as wearing them inside a shoe - that would de-feet the purpose.
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: beersk on July 19, 2011, 09:50:51 PM
Aw, I totally missed that too!  Funny!

Alright, play with this idea....what if...now just what if!  ...  you wore the vibrams inside of your regular shoes?  Would that be, like, the best of both worlds?


I have worn mine inside a spare pair of wet boots at the brewery. But, as far as wearing them inside a shoe - that would de-feet the purpose.
I know, I was being sarcastic...
Not into them myself.  They look like gorilla feet.  Are we trying to devolve?
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: majorvices on July 19, 2011, 10:02:25 PM
Nope. We are leaving people like you behind.  :P

Seriously, it's not about the way they look. You have to wear them and use them to really understand. Hiking on soft ground they are unbelievable at how well you can control your feet. You can literally dig in with your toes and stabilize your balance. They also have a fairly decent non slip grip.

As far as runners go, there is a movement of runners that have benefitted from barefoot running simply because it helps you to run with a more natural stride, eliminating heal sttrike and subsequent problems. These offer you the benefits of barefoot running with a level of protection.
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: beersk on July 20, 2011, 02:04:28 AM
Nope. We are leaving people like you behind.  :P

Seriously, it's not about the way they look. You have to wear them and use them to really understand. Hiking on soft ground they are unbelievable at how well you can control your feet. You can literally dig in with your toes and stabilize your balance. They also have a fairly decent non slip grip.

As far as runners go, there is a movement of runners that have benefitted from barefoot running simply because it helps you to run with a more natural stride, eliminating heal sttrike and subsequent problems. These offer you the benefits of barefoot running with a level of protection.

Fair enough about the vibrams. 
I am well aware of the barefoot running movement.  I used to read about it in my runner's magazines back in 2003 when I ran a lot.  People would run trails (I was mainly into trail running, not road running) barefoot on a regular basis and these people had smooth and soft feet.  You'd think they'd have gross, callused feet, but nope.  It's a strange movement.  I don't think it's for everyone though, as some people have high arches or flat feet and need some kind of support.  Or am I off base on that?
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: majorvices on July 20, 2011, 12:02:54 PM
I definitely don't think they are for every one.
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: euge on July 21, 2011, 12:34:05 AM
What is the difference between "trekking" and "running"?
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: 1vertical on July 21, 2011, 12:57:24 AM
What is the difference between "trekking" and "running"?
Just me Euge,
If I were going Trekking up Deer Creek Canyon, I would be partly in the water partly in the sand
partly over slippery rocks, and going up the stream bottom .....harsh terrain.

If I were running, maybe a street, a track, a packed earthen trail....like that is just my interpretation.

FWIW, in my short experience, cheet grass and other stickers will prolly penetrate thru the mesh
and poke you.....not the sole, but in between da toes and other such areas....
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: weazletoe on July 21, 2011, 11:36:44 PM
 Sounds pretty cool! Thinking about kicking the tires on these shoes. Are they mainly just for runners, or would a fat such as myself benefit from them as well? I mean, I never run, even if I'mbeing chased. But, I do take the occasional manly stroll through the neighborhood, and do a little hiking in the mountains. And what about ever day wearing, around town and stuff? I am intrigured.
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: tubercle on July 22, 2011, 01:51:18 AM
Isn't this re-inventing the moccasin, just with modern materials?

 Just saying....

 Maybe it isn't such a new idea after all.
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: majorvices on July 22, 2011, 12:29:20 PM
Isn't this re-inventing the moccasin, just with modern materials?

 Just saying....

 Maybe it isn't such a new idea after all.

Not at all. I'ts like being in bare feet but with an extra layer of protection. It's literally a glove for your feet. The fact that you can use your toes is really the point. If you like to go barefoot, you will like the 5 fingers.

I get the fact that moccasins are "non supportive" but there are plenty of shoes out that do that.
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: 1vertical on July 22, 2011, 02:10:33 PM
Sounds pretty cool! Thinking about kicking the tires on these shoes. Are they mainly just for runners, or would a fat such as myself benefit from them as well? I mean, I never run, even if I'mbeing chased. But, I do take the occasional manly stroll through the neighborhood, and do a little hiking in the mountains. And what about ever day wearing, around town and stuff? I am intrigured.
If you get a pair put a Pic up of you in your vibrams AND your utilikilt that would wow em all Barry
Title: Re: Vibrams
Post by: majorvices on July 22, 2011, 03:09:50 PM
Sounds pretty cool! Thinking about kicking the tires on these shoes. Are they mainly just for runners, or would a fat such as myself benefit from them as well? I mean, I never run, even if I'mbeing chased. But, I do take the occasional manly stroll through the neighborhood, and do a little hiking in the mountains. And what about ever day wearing, around town and stuff? I am intrigured.

If you like going barefoot you will like the Vibram 5 fingers. Pantless and shoeless?? WIN WIN!!!  ;D