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Title: AHA event form???
Post by: noodle on July 17, 2011, 01:29:34 PM
Hi,

We're looking at entering an AHA event but the form is asking for specific recipe information. Is this mandatory?

thanks,
Title: Re: AHA event form???
Post by: denny on July 17, 2011, 04:07:07 PM
Unless it's the National Homebrew comp., which is over for the year, there are no AHA beer comps.  If someone is asking for a recipe, it's specific to that particular comp.
Title: Re: AHA event form???
Post by: noodle on July 17, 2011, 07:02:16 PM

http://www.benningtonmuseum.org/brew-fest-registration.html

Why give your recipe?

thanks,
Title: Re: AHA event form???
Post by: denny on July 17, 2011, 07:05:03 PM

http://www.benningtonmuseum.org/brew-fest-registration.html

Why give your recipe?

thanks,

I have no idea, but that's a requirement of that particular comp., not the AHA or BJCP.  You need to ask the people running that comp.  OTOH, why not give the recipe?
Title: Re: AHA event form???
Post by: noodle on July 17, 2011, 08:00:58 PM
OTOH, why not give the recipe?--


because it's mine.
Title: Re: AHA event form???
Post by: denny on July 17, 2011, 08:04:34 PM
OTOH, why not give the recipe?--


because it's mine.

OK, whatever you want.  I freely give out my recipes.  It's a hobby and I'll help out others of I can.  Even if someone brews the same recipe, it's unlikely the beer will turn out exactly the same.
Title: Re: AHA event form???
Post by: hopfenundmalz on July 17, 2011, 08:43:05 PM
I give out my recipes without hesitation.

Once you know that making a beer depends on the ingredient list, procedures, and equipment, it is hard to fathom that someone will make the same exact beer.   The pros often give out the recipes.  Here is an example.
http://beerdujour.com/Recipes/1Pliny%20the%20Elder%20clone%20PDF.pdf
Title: Re: AHA event form???
Post by: johnf on July 17, 2011, 11:18:17 PM
The BOS prize is having the beer brewed, they probably need a recipe to do that.

Maybe if you contact them and agree to be ineligible to win, they would let you keep their recipe. That said, there are a lot of competitions out there. This seems like a pretty small one. I assume the point of entering it is to win? Pick one with a prize you are willing to win.
Title: Re: AHA event form???
Post by: hopfenundmalz on July 18, 2011, 02:07:02 AM
OTOH, why not give the recipe?--
because it's mine.
OK, whatever you want.  I freely give out my recipes.  It's a hobby and I'll help out others of I can.  Even if someone brews the same recipe, it's unlikely the beer will turn out exactly the same.
Denny is one that has "Good Karma" accumulated from his recipes.  Think about it, if it is a good recipe, others should have the pleasure of making something similar, if you think it is good.,
Title: Re: AHA event form???
Post by: bonjour on July 18, 2011, 02:55:05 PM
OTOH, why not give the recipe?--

because it's mine.
Have you ever used someone's recipe? 

To me this is a big part of the give back from when I got started.

But it is your recipe and your choice.
Title: Re: AHA event form???
Post by: morticaixavier on July 18, 2011, 04:34:07 PM
OTOH, why not give the recipe?--


because it's mine.

It is not hard or expensive to copyright a recipe if you are really concerned. it costs I think about 20 bucks and maybe an hour of your time to fill out the paperwork with the US copyright office and you get a nifty little certificate. If you collect all your recipes you can copyright a recipe book even. But as others have said...why not

**EDIT** also it looks like if you  want to enter the peoples choice competition recipe is not required
Title: Re: AHA event form???
Post by: dbeechum on July 18, 2011, 05:08:53 PM
It is not hard or expensive to copyright a recipe...

You can't protect a recipe via copyright - only it's presentation.

US Copyright Office - Recipes (http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl122.html)
Title: Re: AHA event form???
Post by: punatic on July 18, 2011, 05:23:47 PM
Just because you have to submit a recipe doesn't mean it has to be the recipe.  Who's to know, except you?
Title: Re: AHA event form???
Post by: denny on July 18, 2011, 05:34:49 PM
Just because you have to submit a recipe doesn't mean it has to be the recipe.  Who's to know, except you?

But if the prize is to have your beer brewed, what good would it do to submit a different recipe?
Title: Re: AHA event form???
Post by: punatic on July 18, 2011, 09:02:00 PM
Just because you have to submit a recipe doesn't mean it has to be the recipe.  Who's to know, except you?

But if the prize is to have your beer brewed, what good would it do to submit a different recipe?

Generally speaking...
Title: Re: AHA event form???
Post by: morticaixavier on July 18, 2011, 09:45:10 PM
It is not hard or expensive to copyright a recipe...

You can't protect a recipe via copyright - only it's presentation.

US Copyright Office - Recipes (http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl122.html)

Ahh, well then you would have to collect them into a recipe book. There must be someway though. just try publishing the recipe for tollhouse cookies as printed on the back of every bag of tollhouse chocolate chips and see what happens.
Title: Re: AHA event form???
Post by: dbeechum on July 18, 2011, 09:50:52 PM
The Tollhouse recipe is free and available for reprinting. What Nestle controls and will go after you for is the name. Aka "Tollhouse Chocolate Chip Cookie"

I have numerous baking cookbooks that reprint the recipe nearly verbatim - only removing the "Nestle Tollhouse" from the type of chocolate chips you need to use.

ETA: You can however copyright the "presentation" of a recipe. For instance, Adams Media owns the copyright on the recipes I created as presented in my book, but I still have full ownership over the IP of the recipes themselves.
Title: Re: AHA event form???
Post by: morticaixavier on July 18, 2011, 10:48:33 PM
gotcha. makes sense I guess.
Title: Re: AHA event form???
Post by: Jimmy K on August 02, 2011, 05:11:07 PM
It is not hard or expensive to copyright a recipe...

You can't protect a recipe via copyright - only it's presentation.

US Copyright Office - Recipes (http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl122.html)

Ahh, well then you would have to collect them into a recipe book. There must be someway though. just try publishing the recipe for tollhouse cookies as printed on the back of every bag of tollhouse chocolate chips and see what happens.

Even if you did that, the recipes are not protected. Its the collection of recipes that is protected, not the individual recipes.