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Title: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: punatic on July 20, 2011, 07:46:42 PM
42 years ago today Neil Armstrong took a small step for a man, and a giant leap for mankind.

Tomorrow morning when the shuttle Atlantis' wheels stop on the runway at the KSC it will be the end of an era.

Are our best days behind us?
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: The Professor on July 20, 2011, 08:07:33 PM
I  remember the day well, it was a big deal in our house.  It really amazes me that there are still boneheads out there who actually don't believe it ever really happened.

My late dad was part of the team that worked on the Saturn V rocket that propelled the Apollo missions into space.  I remember watching the live transmission from the moon and how transfixed the world was. 
Funny though...by the time the last Apollo mission wrapped up, it became almost passe...so much so that over the years the original telemetry tapes of the landing video were lost and remain so  (tapes that contained the data that provided a practically high definition video of those first steps that Neil Armstrong took).

In any case, yes...the Apollo missions were a shining moment. 
The modern day American culture (an oxymoron if there ever was one) could care less for the most part, it seems.

Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: hamiltont on July 20, 2011, 08:14:45 PM
As an American I have a lot of personal pride in our accomplishments in space over the past 42 years, with the exception of the few disasters of course.  Apollo 13 was definitely a disaster avoided. Although a failure, it was probably the finest showing of pure American ingenuity IMO. Being the end of an era sort of leaves a void doesn't it.  Cheers!!!
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: a10t2 on July 20, 2011, 08:41:09 PM
The modern day American culture (an oxymoron if there ever was one) could care less for the most part, it seems.

Idiots always shout the loudest. It doesn't make them a majority.
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: thirsty on July 20, 2011, 08:44:59 PM
Also, there's no reason we can't send people back into space one we get the economy back in order.
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: hamiltont on July 20, 2011, 08:51:31 PM
Also, there's no reason we can't send people back into space once we get the economy back in order.
Or we can just hitch a ride with the Russians....
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: scooter2374 on July 20, 2011, 10:31:19 PM
I wasn't born yet when they touched down on the moon, but I remember being in school and them televising the first shuttle launch. One of my teachers bought the 33 recording and played it in class when we couldn't go outside due to weather.
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: punatic on July 20, 2011, 10:48:08 PM
I  remember the day well, it was a big deal in our house.  It really amazes me that there are still boneheads out there who actually don't believe it ever really happened.

Anyone who was within 20 miles of a Saturn V lifting off knows it was for real.  Probaby twice as thunderous as the space shuttle.  Absolutely amazing!
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: tubercle on July 20, 2011, 11:02:23 PM
I recall all of my family crowded around the B&W TV watching it "live".
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: tom on July 21, 2011, 12:14:38 AM
Thought we'd be on Mars or Venus by now.
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: nicneufeld on July 21, 2011, 12:45:01 AM
One of the truly noble, if a bit Quixotic, ventures of our country.  Amazing that the electronics of the day were able to do this!

I hope, someday, if we ever get to the point where our government is frugal with its other expenditures and can afford to add in things like further space exploration, we'll restart it...imagine with the strides in technology that have come to pass!!
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: euge on July 21, 2011, 01:00:28 AM
It's amazing and rather sad...

I think our govt is giving up on the space race. There's still rockets to pop stuff like military satellites up into orbit and they are quite a bit cheaper than maintaining a shuttle program. That being said I think not pushing forward with a similar program is a mistake.

Also, we should focus on long-term survival and ease of mobility in space. Even the shortest possible manned trip to Mars is useless if it is a suicide mission. We need actual workable space-craft more than rockets with payloads in order to push forward and survive in space.

Once we have this ability to move freely about the solar system then the possibilities like Mars colonization open up.



Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: tonyp on July 21, 2011, 02:50:34 AM
42 years ago today Neil Armstrong took a small step for a man, and a giant leap for mankind.

allegedly! ;)
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: bluesman on July 21, 2011, 03:12:22 AM
We'll go back when the time is right.

It is sad to see it end though...for now.

Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: punatic on July 21, 2011, 05:51:46 AM
NASA Continues (http://www.nasa.gov/exploration/home/index.html)
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: euge on July 21, 2011, 07:22:25 AM
That was interesting carl.
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: phillamb168 on July 21, 2011, 08:26:44 AM
The interesting thing is to see how the private sector is attacking this issue. SpaceX, Virgin Galactic, etc etc - there are some really cool things going on. They're for the uber-rich for now, of course, but it was the same way with air travel a century ago. Military first, then the rich, then everybody.

China starting to put a stranglehold on rare earth elements will be a big boost to our attempts at space mining.
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: punatic on July 21, 2011, 12:02:06 PM
Here is the NASA Administrator, Charles Bolden, explaining to Al Jazeera that our current President sees NASA's prime mission as an outreach program to muslim nations.

Charles Bolden's Al Jazeera interview  (http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/talktojazeera/2010/07/201071122234471970.html)
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: SpanishCastleAle on July 21, 2011, 12:26:04 PM
It's a double-whammy for me.  I've been an engineer at Kennedy Space Center since 1993...July 29th is my last day (lay-off).

That double sonic boom still startles the hell out of me, but after this morning's, no more.
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: majorvices on July 21, 2011, 01:00:35 PM
Here is the NASA Administrator, Charles Bolden, explaining to Al Jazeera that our current President sees NASA's prime mission as an outreach program to muslim nations.

Charles Bolden's Al Jazeera interview  (http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/talktojazeera/2010/07/201071122234471970.html)

Don't get the thread locked and keep your political views to yourself, please. This is the only warning.
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: phillamb168 on July 21, 2011, 01:03:37 PM
It's a double-whammy for me.  I've been an engineer at Kennedy Space Center since 1993...July 29th is my last day (lay-off).

That double sonic boom still startles the hell out of me, but after this morning's, no more.

Have you looked into private sector stuff per my post above? Curious as to what the recruiting environment is like for you guys.
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: Slowbrew on July 21, 2011, 02:34:37 PM
I  remember the day well, it was a big deal in our house.  It really amazes me that there are still boneheads out there who actually don't believe it ever really happened.

My late dad was part of the team that worked on the Saturn V rocket that propelled the Apollo missions into space.  I remember watching the live transmission from the moon and how transfixed the world was.  
Funny though...by the time the last Apollo mission wrapped up, it became almost passe...so much so that over the years the original telemetry tapes of the landing video were lost and remain so  (tapes that contained the data that provided a practically high definition video of those first steps that Neil Armstrong took).

In any case, yes...the Apollo missions were a shining moment.  
The modern day American culture (an oxymoron if there ever was one) could care less for the most part, it seems.



I read last fall that these tapes were found at an Australia University.  They had been properly stored but NASA never asked for them back.

Paul

http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/3827/lost-apollo-tapes-restored-and-broadcast

Edit: Added link.
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: 1vertical on July 21, 2011, 03:59:37 PM
Also, there's no reason we can't send people back into space once we get the economy back in order.
Or we can just hitch a ride with the Russians....
Or Buy in with Virgin Air
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: SpanishCastleAle on July 21, 2011, 05:56:55 PM
It's a double-whammy for me.  I've been an engineer at Kennedy Space Center since 1993...July 29th is my last day (lay-off).

That double sonic boom still startles the hell out of me, but after this morning's, no more.

Have you looked into private sector stuff per my post above? Curious as to what the recruiting environment is like for you guys.
There is a Brevard Workforce and Aerospace Worker Transition programs but they are pretty swamped, I'm just starting use them.  From what I've heard, there isn't that much local but there are opportunities elsewhere.  I'm single with no kids so it's much easier for me to relocate.  If I could find work where I want to go, I'd do it in a heartbeat.  Colorado would be my ideal location but lots of places way west of here will do.
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: majorvices on July 21, 2011, 06:07:52 PM
Just to throw out my situation here: My wife is a contractor for Nasa and is going to be laid off next month. I happen to be very fond of NASA for more reasons than pride or sentimental reasons (though those are a big part of it too). I was very disappointed when constellation was disbanded. Very disappointed indeed. The space race and shuttle missions have given our society vast leaps in science and technology. I really hope privatization works, but I'm afraid the jobs are far, far off and I'm even more afraid that we are going to end up getting surpassed by other countries, such as China.
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: dbeechum on July 21, 2011, 06:20:51 PM
Every time we have a NASA thread I'm reminded just how much I hate the shortsighted nature of our current iteration of society.

Makes me want to spit nails.

And here's a fun one that I found today - all about how Playtex made the suits used by the Apollo astronauts.

Spacesuit: Fashioning Apollo (http://www.fashioningapollo.com/)
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: euge on July 21, 2011, 06:23:55 PM
It's a double-whammy for me.  I've been an engineer at Kennedy Space Center since 1993...July 29th is my last day (lay-off).

That double sonic boom still startles the hell out of me, but after this morning's, no more.

I stayed up to watch the landing. Sorry to hear about the end of the project's jobs. I'm sure things will improve.

I'm really excited about SpaceX, an American company being so competitive in the industry. Looking to them and others for some interesting developments in near space entry. Since it's about the private sector and the bottom line now we should see leaps and bounds in progress.
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: punatic on July 21, 2011, 06:51:40 PM
NASA has transfered amazing amounts of new technology to the private sector since NASA's inception in 1958.  In 1976 NASA created an annual report called NASA Spinoff (http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/) that highlights that technology.  The lists are astounding.
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: punatic on July 21, 2011, 07:05:21 PM
I'm really excited about SpaceX, an American company being so competitive in the industry. Looking to them and others for some interesting developments in near space entry.

SpaceX is scheduled to start flying re-supply missions to the ISS in 2011.  The first manned flight of their Dragon spacecraft is scheduled for 2013.  SpaceX has been good about meeting their schedules.

The SpaceX website  (http://www.spacex.com/index.php) is worth a look.  Pretty encouraging.
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: richardt on July 21, 2011, 07:15:38 PM
Kind of sad how most people, myself included, can name more Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo astronauts than we can Space Shuttle astronauts.  I will miss the launches, but will continue to hope that the private sector's efforts will continue to lead the way.
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: ckpash88 on July 21, 2011, 07:26:18 PM
It's funny that I have more technology in my ford focus then they had in the rockets that sent them to the moon.
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: punatic on July 21, 2011, 07:37:19 PM
Kind of sad how most people, myself included, can name more Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo astronauts than we can Space Shuttle astronauts.

6 astronauts flew in Mercury
16 astronauts flew in Gemini
32 astronauts flew in Apollo
355 astronauts flew in the Space Shuttles

I couldn't remember 355 names if I had to.
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: gordonstrong on July 21, 2011, 11:36:48 PM
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/65_years.png)
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: a10t2 on July 22, 2011, 12:25:02 AM
I've met two of them (Armstrong and Cernan). Pretty great guys who both took the time to talk with me, though I doubt either of them would remember.

I also had the honor of meeting Martha Chaffee. She's a class act, and an advocate for the space program to this day.
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: punatic on July 24, 2011, 05:35:47 AM
Hawaiian kine predator drone... solah powah fo days!  (months even)

(http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1107/helios_nasa_3000.jpg)
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: punatic on July 25, 2011, 06:58:27 PM
360⁰ interactive photo of Discovery's flight deck (http://360vr.com/2011/06/22-discovery-flight-deck-opf_6236/index.html) during decommisioning at KSC OPF.
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: morticaixavier on July 26, 2011, 07:16:08 PM
Hawaiian kine predator drone... solah powah fo days!  (months even)

(http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1107/helios_nasa_3000.jpg)

I heard about this I think. Is this the one that was aloft for liek severl months straight?
Title: Re: 42 Years Ago...
Post by: dhacker on July 26, 2011, 08:46:32 PM
IMHO the Saturn V rocket was and still is one of the most incredible marvels of human engineering. Anything that could develop that kind of power and hang together is a testament to the folks who developed it . . .