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Title: Fleas
Post by: narcout on July 22, 2011, 07:42:47 PM
Every summer, my dog gets fleas.  Neither Advantage nor Frontline seem to be doing much - unless they're just preventing an even worse situation from occurring.

Do you all just resign yourselves to your dogs having fleas during the summer, or is there some magic cure I'm not aware of?
Title: Re: Fleas
Post by: majorvices on July 22, 2011, 08:21:40 PM
My dogs never get fleas now that I don't live in the city anymore. ticks, OTOH, are a problem.
Title: Re: Fleas
Post by: denny on July 22, 2011, 08:31:14 PM
Advantage works great for both our dogs and our cats. 
Title: Re: Fleas
Post by: tschmidlin on July 22, 2011, 08:56:12 PM
Frontline works for our dog, no problems with either fleas or ticks.
Title: Re: Fleas
Post by: gymrat on July 22, 2011, 09:05:56 PM
Some fleas have built up a resistance to both. The Banter vets, who are somehow associated with petsmart have some stuff that works in those cases. Just remember they sell it but petsmart does not.
Title: Re: Fleas
Post by: jaybeerman on July 22, 2011, 09:06:41 PM
Our dogs haven't had fleas, but have you tried neem oil shampoo?  Do a google search and you might find some info
Title: Re: Fleas
Post by: punatic on July 22, 2011, 09:29:23 PM
We use this: Cedarcide (http://www.cedarcidestore.com/catalog/item/3571008/5094323.htm)
Title: Re: Fleas
Post by: tubercle on July 22, 2011, 09:53:40 PM
  The lovely and talented Ms. Tubercle, who makes her spending money as a vet tech, said to tell everyone that the best treatment is with a capstar tablet, which will kill the fleas on the animal in ~30 minutes, and then treat with frontline on a regular schedule.

http://www.medi-vet.com/Capstar.html

 My grandpa rubbed his rabbit dogs down with used motor oil but I can't really reccommend that ::)
Title: Re: Fleas
Post by: gordonstrong on July 22, 2011, 11:23:25 PM
Do they play bass?  You could just ask them to crank it up.

(http://www.stadium-arcadium.com/main/images/bio_images/flea/flea_bio_main.jpg)
Title: Re: Fleas
Post by: fatdogale on July 22, 2011, 11:53:16 PM
Every summer, my dog gets fleas.  Neither Advantage nor Frontline seem to be doing much - unless they're just preventing an even worse situation from occurring.

Do you all just resign yourselves to your dogs having fleas during the summer, or is there some magic cure I'm not aware of?

We had Fleabusters come treat our house (carpets and the dogs bed), and that was the end of the problem for us.  I think it cost a little over $100, but this was 20 years ago.  Different house now, and different dog, who thankfully hasn't had fleas.
Title: Re: Fleas
Post by: punatic on July 22, 2011, 11:58:02 PM
  The lovely and talented Ms. Tubercle, who makes her spending money as a vet tech, said to tell everyone that the best treatment is with a capstar tablet, which will kill the fleas on the animal in ~30 minutes, and then treat with frontline on a regular schedule.

http://www.medi-vet.com/Capstar.html


Neonicotinoids are suspected to contribute to colony collapse disorder in bees, and their use has been suspended in several European countries.
Title: Re: Fleas
Post by: bluesman on July 23, 2011, 01:42:25 AM
I use advantix for the dogs and Frontline for the felines. Have not had a single flea in over a decade.

Although there is one flea, slappin' from time to time in the house, and that's the flea from the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gs2o5T7oN8
Title: Re: Fleas
Post by: richardt on July 23, 2011, 01:47:07 AM
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/191907.htm (http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/191907.htm)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesticide_toxicity_to_bees (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesticide_toxicity_to_bees)

While that may be true for neonicotinoids used in agricultural settings (e.g., as a foliar spray), given its stability, method of application (how can bees not come into contact with it?), and tendency to runoff into water supply, etc., I think the use of a small amount in pill form (i.e., Capstar) for the occasional pet with fleas has a lot less potential to harm unintended insects.
Title: Re: Fleas
Post by: ccarlson on July 23, 2011, 02:14:09 AM
I find it interesting that many of the people advocating organic gardening in other threads, are the same ones saying that they put topical flea treatments on their pets which can cause liver damage.
Title: Re: Fleas
Post by: pinnah on July 23, 2011, 02:53:57 AM
I find it interesting that many of the people advocating organic gardening in other threads, are the same ones saying that they put topical flea treatments on their pets which can cause liver damage.

You don't eat your pets  ::)





I find it interesting that the strong Gordon posted up an early pic of Flea. ;D




My dogs itch occasionally, and my wife snaps one up from time to time, but we don't worry over it too much.

Title: Re: Fleas
Post by: narcout on July 23, 2011, 03:27:33 AM
I find it interesting that many of the people advocating organic gardening in other threads, are the same ones saying that they put topical flea treatments on their pets which can cause liver damage.

I really dislike using the medication on my dog, and I only do so during the summer when the fleas become a real problem.  If there's some sort of natural non-toxic solution that works well, I'd love to hear about it.
Title: Re: Fleas
Post by: punatic on July 23, 2011, 08:36:19 AM
I find it interesting that many of the people advocating organic gardening in other threads, are the same ones saying that they put topical flea treatments on their pets which can cause liver damage.

I really dislike using the medication on my dog, and I only do so during the summer when the fleas become a real problem.  If there's some sort of natural non-toxic solution that works well, I'd love to hear about it.

See the link in my previous post.
Title: Re: Fleas
Post by: tygo on July 23, 2011, 10:50:19 AM
You could try Diatomaceous Earth:  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001THVH9G

I don't have pets so I haven't tried it out on an animal but it's supposed to work well for that.  We had some critters under our screened in deck this summer, probably just small stuff like chipmunks and squirrels, and they were apparently carrying around a bunch of fleas.  Enough so that they'd get up onto the deck and jump you whenever you went outside.

I sprinkled a healthy dose of the D Earth down through the cracks on the decks and that's helped quite a bit.  I'm also using some of these and they work as well:  http://www.amazon.com/Springstar-S102-Flea-Trap/dp/B0002PS7O4/ref=sr_1_2?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1311418181&sr=1-2

Title: Re: Fleas
Post by: uthristy on July 23, 2011, 11:37:07 AM
I find it interesting that many of the people advocating organic gardening in other threads, are the same ones saying that they put topical flea treatments on their pets which can cause liver damage.

Funny but with all the blood tests over the yrs none of our cats have had  problems w/liver and our vet tracks the
results for yrs.

Have you  seen the possible side effects for everyday meds on tv?  and yet most people never have problems.

You drink and yet Alcohol has proven side effects>

Increases risk of gouty arthritis
Increases the risk of cancer in the liver, pancreas, rectum, breast, mouth, pharynx, larynx and esophagus
Causes physical and behavioral abnormalities in the fetus
Raises blood pressure, blood lipids and the risk of stroke and heart disease in heavy drinkers.
Enlarges the kidneys, alters hormone functions, and increases the risk of kidney failure
Causes fatty liver, alcoholic hepatitis and cirrhosis
Increases the risk of protein-energy malnutrition,; low intakes of protein, calcium, iron, vitamin A, vitamin C, thiamine, vitamin B6 and riboflavin, and impaired absorption of calcium, phosphorus, vitamin D and zinc.
Causes neuropathy and dementia; impairs balance and memory

So as pet owners we take a calculated risk. by weighing the pros and cons carefully and yes the simple numbers say somewhere,somebodies pet willl have problems, thats life.
Title: Re: Fleas
Post by: thirsty on July 23, 2011, 05:08:50 PM
Try the capstar. It works.
Title: Re: Fleas
Post by: narcout on July 26, 2011, 03:12:43 AM
See the link in my previous post.

Whoa, I totally missed that.  

Is it effective?  Does it leave the dog's coat sticky or oily?
Title: Re: Fleas
Post by: morticaixavier on July 26, 2011, 07:15:02 PM
I didn't like doing it but where we lived before there were super fleas (dogtown, west oakland/emeryville CA) and the advantix just wasn't cutting it so our vet had us dose the dog every other week and that helped. apparently the manufacturers say it is 'safe' as often as once a week but we did not have to take it quite to that extreme. I will check out capstar
Title: Re: Fleas
Post by: Kit B on July 26, 2011, 08:45:10 PM
I find it interesting that many of the people advocating organic gardening in other threads, are the same ones saying that they put topical flea treatments on their pets which can cause liver damage.

Ummm...Liver damage...Brewing...Hmmm.
Title: Re: Fleas
Post by: ccarlson on July 26, 2011, 09:14:54 PM
I guess because one drinks, that gives them a pass to destroy their pets and the environment.

That's good to know. :D
Title: Re: Fleas
Post by: punatic on July 27, 2011, 03:06:32 AM
See the link in my previous post.

Whoa, I totally missed that.  

Is it effective?  Does it leave the dog's coat sticky or oily?

It is very effective.  We use it on our cats.  It is somewhat oily on application, but is absorbed quickly into their fur and skin.