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Title: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: majorvices on August 05, 2011, 03:56:26 PM
Brewing a test batch today. Here's what the recipe is:

12 gallons

12 lbs Pils
8 lbs Vienna
4 lbs cara Red
3 lbs Sugar

Wasn't red. A little orangy looking. Added another pound of cara red (5 lbs now). Still not red. What the...?

Gonna put a smidgen of carafa special II in to redden it up was wondering if the homebrew shoppe gave me something else. I broke open a kernal and it was red on inside. But the wort wasn't red.
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: denny on August 05, 2011, 04:05:26 PM
I guess it depends on what you think of as "red".  It's not red as in red velvet cake, but to me it seems to give the beer a definite reddish hue.
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: bluesman on August 05, 2011, 04:25:00 PM
Gonna put a smidgen of carafa special II in to redden it up

That should help. If you have a coffee grinder...try grinding a smidge to a powder and sprinkle over the mash right before the sparge. Should do the trick.  ;)
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: majorvices on August 05, 2011, 04:54:12 PM
Not looking for velvet cake, just looking for red. I'm not a vampire or nothin'.  ;)
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: majorvices on August 05, 2011, 04:58:54 PM
Actually, it's the perfect color now with the carafa and the extra lb of cara red. Could be a tiny bit darker but for this test batch I'm gonna go with it.
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: euge on August 05, 2011, 05:08:18 PM
Can you post a pic of the "red"?
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: majorvices on August 05, 2011, 05:10:55 PM
I can try with my cell phone. Give me an hour or so.

BTW: When I first pulled a sample (around 10 minutes after dough in) it was decidedly blonde. I wonder if you just need to let it sit? I never really questioned the color of wort so early on in the mash before.
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: theDarkSide on August 05, 2011, 05:22:15 PM
Can you post a pic of the "red"?
(http://image1.findagrave.com/photos250/photos/2009/115/2704_124079771220.jpg)
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: EHall on August 05, 2011, 05:57:54 PM
I'm pretty sure carared is just a proprietary name... its basically C 20....

20° L. Provides fuller body and imparts a deep, saturated red color, particularly to red ales and lagers, Scottish ales, bocks and altbiers.
but says you can use up to 25%... obviously its gone thru a slighty different process...
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: majorvices on August 05, 2011, 06:02:21 PM
Can you post a pic of the "red"?
(http://image1.findagrave.com/photos250/photos/2009/115/2704_124079771220.jpg)

You really dug for that one.  ;)
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: majorvices on August 05, 2011, 06:12:44 PM
I'm pretty sure carared is just a proprietary name... its basically C 20....

20° L. Provides fuller body and imparts a deep, saturated red color, particularly to red ales and lagers, Scottish ales, bocks and altbiers.
but says you can use up to 25%... obviously its gone thru a slighty different process...

Next your gonna tell me that CaraVienne is just C 20 and Cara Munich is C-40 or 60.  :P
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: EHall on August 05, 2011, 06:26:10 PM
those witty Germans...
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: denny on August 05, 2011, 06:38:54 PM
I'm pretty sure carared is just a proprietary name... its basically C 20....

I've heard that before, but my experience in using it quite a bit is that it's darker and more fermentable.
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: EHall on August 05, 2011, 08:10:12 PM
Yea, like I said there is definately something different about it... its labeled as 20L but even using 4-5# of crystal 20 wont turn your beer red....
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: jaybeerman on August 05, 2011, 09:45:30 PM
I bet it's tasty though.
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on August 06, 2011, 03:16:55 AM
Major,

If you look for the color try Caramunich II.
That will give you nice reddish color.
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: majorvices on August 06, 2011, 01:56:00 PM
I might try that. I didn't really want a lot of raisin character though.

Will try and post pic soon. May be tomorrow though.
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: blatz on August 07, 2011, 03:12:01 AM
funny, I was just about to say that I just brewed my fest yesterday with a small amount of carared and it definitely had a red hue to it (though orangey-amber overall) but I also used  a similar amount of Caramunich II - now I don't know which caused it...
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: majorvices on August 08, 2011, 06:24:39 PM
Sorry it took so long. Being on dial up at home and spotty internet reception at the brewery causes me to have isssues with images.

(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/majorvices/Roll1fromiPhone008.jpg)
(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/majorvices/Roll1fromiPhone007.jpg)
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on August 11, 2011, 03:28:23 AM
Looking pretty red.

If you do not want to have any taste from it try domestic C40 to C60.
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: bluesman on August 11, 2011, 11:42:27 AM
Nice reddish amber color.
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: majorvices on August 11, 2011, 01:09:16 PM
I'll probably be ready to rack this thing already today or tomorrow. I think I way over pitched. Split two better bottles between WL500 and the Wyeast French saison strain. Regardless, I'll give an update once it is carbonated. It's been a long time since I used this much crystal malt.
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: Mark G on August 11, 2011, 01:15:53 PM
Sounds like a tasty recipe with those yeasts. I'll be curious to see how far down that saison strain will take it with the crystal malt.
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: majorvices on August 15, 2011, 04:16:55 PM
kegged this today - WLP500 yeast finished at 1.009. Fr. Saison yeast finished at 1.004. Both are pleasant beers, not sure which one I like best yet. I'll geta  better feel once they are carbbed up.
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: euge on August 15, 2011, 06:36:01 PM
Sounds good! What did we learn then?
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: corkybstewart on August 15, 2011, 06:42:07 PM
I brewed an Irish red ale a couple of years ago and put 1/2 pound of black patent on top of the mash when I stated sparging.  It turned the beer a beautiful copper red without any roast flavors.
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: denny on August 15, 2011, 06:43:05 PM
kegged this today - WLP500 yeast finished at 1.009. Fr. Saison yeast finished at 1.004. Both are pleasant beers, not sure which one I like best yet. I'll geta  better feel once they are carbbed up.

Ya know, there's a way I could help you decide....;)
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: majorvices on August 15, 2011, 08:00:43 PM
Awesome deny!! What time should I pick you up at the airport?  8)
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: denny on August 15, 2011, 08:37:20 PM
Awesome deny!! What time should I pick you up at the airport?  8)

Half past 2015!
Title: Re: Cara Red .... it ain't red
Post by: majorvices on August 15, 2011, 08:50:55 PM
I don't think any will be left by then.