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Title: Oatmeal- is it preferable to roast the oatmeal or use the preroasted oatmeal?
Post by: roguenationpatriot on August 16, 2011, 10:18:25 PM
 :D  Oatmeal- is it preferable to roast the oatmeal or use the preroasted oatmeal?  I'm going to start looking at doing an oatmeal stout , and in the past I have roasted the oatmeal in the oven, but I have also used preroasted in recipes before.  Has anybody Noticed a diffence between the methods.
Title: Re: Oatmeal- is it preferable to roast the oatmeal or use the preroasted oatmeal?
Post by: dirk_mclargehuge on August 16, 2011, 11:20:47 PM
I once entered an oatmeal stout into NHC and was told the beer didn't taste like an oatmeal cookie and I should toast the oats first.  (When I entered a beer that tasted exactly like an oatmeal cookie--using spices--the judges told me it tasted too much like an oatmeal cookie.)

FWIW, I always toast my oats.  It does add a slight nuttiness that I like.
Title: Re: Oatmeal- is it preferable to roast the oatmeal or use the preroasted oatmeal?
Post by: Hokerer on August 17, 2011, 02:09:05 AM
I used pre-toasted oats (can't remember the brand) once in my stout and honestly couldn't tell the difference from batches where I used plain old (untoasted) Quaker Oats.  I do want to get much better at toasting my own oats so I'll hopefully get more of the flavor.
Title: Re: Oatmeal- is it preferable to roast the oatmeal or use the preroasted oatmeal?
Post by: nateo on August 17, 2011, 01:53:10 PM
This is really interesting. I never thought of toasting oats before. I've always just added them straight to the mash.
Title: Re: Oatmeal- is it preferable to roast the oatmeal or use the preroasted oatmeal?
Post by: Jimmy K on August 17, 2011, 01:54:46 PM
Jamil says you'll get some creaminess from untoasted oats, but no flavor, and judges tend to look for the nutty flavor you get from toasting. I toasted oats once and liked it, but haven't tried untoasted. I have used untoasted oats in a wit and there was definately no oat flavor.

Warning - toast and let them cool or you'll screw up your mash temperature.
Title: Re: Oatmeal- is it preferable to roast the oatmeal or use the preroasted oatmeal?
Post by: weithman5 on August 17, 2011, 02:53:01 PM
i have not use oats at all but have been thinking of it. i thought i read somewhere that after toasting or roasting etc, you should let the grain sit  for several weeks?
Title: Re: Oatmeal- is it preferable to roast the oatmeal or use the preroasted oatmeal?
Post by: roguenationpatriot on August 17, 2011, 02:54:50 PM
I once entered an oatmeal stout into NHC and was told the beer didn't taste like an oatmeal cookie and I should toast the oats first.  (When I entered a beer that tasted exactly like an oatmeal cookie--using spices--the judges told me it tasted too much like an oatmeal cookie.)

FWIW, I always toast my oats.  It does add a slight nuttiness that I like.

Sometime you just can't win, it's hard to predict what some judges look for in certain styles.  I'm trying to get BJCP certified and hopefully get better understanding of what judge are most commonly looking for in the different styles.
Title: Re: Oatmeal- is it preferable to roast the oatmeal or use the preroasted oatmeal?
Post by: nateo on August 17, 2011, 06:46:57 PM
Jamil says you'll get some creaminess from untoasted oats, but no flavor

I'd agree with that. As for what judges want, I'm frequently surprised. I've had some really off-the-wall judges comments.
Title: Re: Oatmeal- is it preferable to roast the oatmeal or use the preroasted oatmeal?
Post by: narcout on August 17, 2011, 08:48:27 PM
i thought i read somewhere that after toasting or roasting etc, you should let the grain sit  for several weeks?

In How to Brew, Palmer suggests storing home toasted malt in a paper bag for 2 weeks before use to "allow time for the harsher aromatics to escape." 

I think he's talking more about toasting barley malt though.  My own personal experience suggests that it's not an issue with home toasted flaked oats.
Title: Re: Oatmeal- is it preferable to roast the oatmeal or use the preroasted oatmeal?
Post by: nateo on August 17, 2011, 08:52:07 PM
I think Palmer's advice is good for darker 'roasted' grains. The black malt I make I let sit for 3-4 weeks in a paper bag before I use or transfer to ziplocks. It makes a difference. I haven't noticed a difference on my lighter 'toasted' grains.
Title: Re: Oatmeal- is it preferable to roast the oatmeal or use the preroasted oatmeal?
Post by: gordonstrong on August 18, 2011, 12:40:21 AM
Jamil says you'll get some creaminess from untoasted oats, but no flavor

I'd agree with that. As for what judges want, I'm frequently surprised. I've had some really off-the-wall judges comments.

In what percentage?  Try 20% oats.  You can certainly taste them.  Quaker Old-Fashioned Oats.  Yup.
Title: Re: Oatmeal- is it preferable to roast the oatmeal or use the preroasted oatmeal?
Post by: nateo on August 18, 2011, 12:51:39 AM
In what percentage?  Try 20% oats.  You can certainly taste them.  Quaker Old-Fashioned Oats.  Yup.

I've never used over 10%, and I've only ever done cereal mashes with oat groats. I've never used the "instant" kind or flakes. At 10% groats I get a slickness not present in my "regular" stouts.
Title: Re: Oatmeal- is it preferable to roast the oatmeal or use the preroasted oatmeal?
Post by: roguenationpatriot on August 18, 2011, 05:04:13 PM
I should be starting the Oatmeal Stout soon, and I'll let you know what my findings and methods are with the Oatmeal I use.