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Title: brewing an English pale
Post by: tschmidlin on August 24, 2011, 11:23:50 PM
I'm going to brew a bitter/esb tomorrow and can't decide what to do . . .

I only have 10.75 lbs of maris otter.  It's a bit much for a 5 gallon batch of ESB, and a bit shorter than I'd like for a 10 gallon batch of ordinary bitter.  I have a bunch of other grains I can supplement with if need be, but I am trying to keep it simple to let the flavor and aroma of the hops (Sonnet Goldings) come through.   I could just make an ESB with less of the MO, but I don't want to. :)

Any suggestions?  On hand I have:
brown
munich
vienna
crystal 40
carared
carapils
special b
aromatic
chocolate
pale chocolate
chocolate wheat
carafa special
black barley
pils
Title: Re: brewing an English pale
Post by: Hokerer on August 24, 2011, 11:41:44 PM
Use all the MO and add enough pils to get your base malt total - specialty grains as normal ?
Title: Re: brewing an English pale
Post by: tschmidlin on August 24, 2011, 11:48:58 PM
I'm trying to avoid using the pils and nearly left it off the list because I figured someone would suggest just that :)

For specialty grains I was just going to use some C40 unless someone comes up with something that sounds enticing.
Title: Re: brewing an English pale
Post by: skyler on August 24, 2011, 11:50:01 PM
If it was me, I would bulk it up to 1.044 or so with Vienna and use no specialty malts.
Title: Re: brewing an English pale
Post by: Hokerer on August 24, 2011, 11:51:37 PM
I'm trying to avoid using the pils and nearly left it off the list because I figured someone would suggest just that :)

Crap, sounds like I'm getting predictable  :-\
Title: Re: brewing an English pale
Post by: skyler on August 24, 2011, 11:52:53 PM
Or I would just brew 5 gallons of English IPA.
Title: Re: brewing an English pale
Post by: tschmidlin on August 25, 2011, 12:02:30 AM
Crap, sounds like I'm getting predictable  :-\
;D  It's a good answer, just not what I'm going for.

Or I would just brew 5 gallons of English IPA.
Also a good answer, and not what I'm going for. ;)  I think I want something that will ferment and be ready to serve quickly, probably less than 5.5% or 5% ABV.

The vienna idea is interesting, I may try that.
Title: Re: brewing an English pale
Post by: hopfenundmalz on August 25, 2011, 01:13:50 AM
Tom - use the MO and the Vienna.  Not much else in my book, but a touch of crystal, or a smidge of special B.   A little carapils for body?

Some guy named Gordon use a lot of MO and Vienna together for his beers.  So he says.  ;)

You might be surprised how light a lot of the summer ales are in England these days. Was there last week, and need to do a quick write up on the beers we had.
Title: Re: brewing an English pale
Post by: richardt on August 25, 2011, 01:41:25 PM
I'd do 10 gallons w/ 10.75 lbs of MO and remainder with vienna, C-40, and Carapils.
Title: Re: brewing an English pale
Post by: dak0415 on August 25, 2011, 02:39:41 PM
Do NOT use special B in an ESB!

+1 on the Vienna to make up the diff.
What yeast are you planning?
Title: Re: brewing an English pale
Post by: jaybeerman on August 25, 2011, 04:41:09 PM
use your maris and go to the store to get some grits.  I could even see, maris, vienna, grits.  Grits are fantastic in a bitter.
Title: Re: brewing an English pale
Post by: tschmidlin on August 25, 2011, 05:35:19 PM
I guess I should have read these ideas before mashing in. Too late.  ;D

I went with 10.75 lbs MO, 1.5 lbs of vienna, and .5 lbs C40.

I'm going to use US-05 in one carboy and S-04 in the other.  I'm pretty sure I'll like the S-04 better, but I want to try the US-05 in this style.  Plus I wanted to brew without going to the store for anything and I have both of those on hand.

Thanks for the ideas.
Title: Re: brewing an English pale
Post by: skyler on August 29, 2011, 10:28:11 PM
I think I want something that will ferment and be ready to serve quickly, probably less than 5.5% or 5% ABV.

Actually, I think an English IPA should be under 5.5% ABV, no matter what the American-written BJCP guidelines say.
Title: Re: brewing an English pale
Post by: oscarvan on September 02, 2011, 10:10:34 PM
I think I want something that will ferment and be ready to serve quickly, probably less than 5.5% or 5% ABV.

Actually, I think an English IPA should be under 5.5% ABV, no matter what the American-written BJCP guidelines say.

Quite a bit under, in fact. 90% of what I drink in the UK is under 5%.
Title: Re: brewing an English pale
Post by: euge on September 02, 2011, 10:25:45 PM
I guess I should have read these ideas before mashing in. Too late.  ;D

I went with 10.75 lbs MO, 1.5 lbs of vienna, and .5 lbs C40.

I'm going to use US-05 in one carboy and S-04 in the other.  I'm pretty sure I'll like the S-04 better, but I want to try the US-05 in this style.  Plus I wanted to brew without going to the store for anything and I have both of those on hand.

Thanks for the ideas.

Pretty much what I'd have suggested except the carapils. Looks nice. Are you splitting 5 gallons?
Title: Re: brewing an English pale
Post by: gmac on September 02, 2011, 11:54:20 PM
Actually, I think an English IPA should be under 5.5% ABV, no matter what the American-written BJCP guidelines say.
+1
Title: Re: brewing an English pale
Post by: tschmidlin on September 03, 2011, 05:28:55 AM
I guess I should have read these ideas before mashing in. Too late.  ;D

I went with 10.75 lbs MO, 1.5 lbs of vienna, and .5 lbs C40.

I'm going to use US-05 in one carboy and S-04 in the other.  I'm pretty sure I'll like the S-04 better, but I want to try the US-05 in this style.  Plus I wanted to brew without going to the store for anything and I have both of those on hand.

Thanks for the ideas.

Pretty much what I'd have suggested except the carapils. Looks nice. Are you splitting 5 gallons?
No, I brewed 10 gallons. :)
Title: Re: brewing an English pale
Post by: vista on September 03, 2011, 12:47:02 PM
with all those specialty grains...and the fact you want to serve something quickly...why not make a mild?
Title: Re: brewing an English pale
Post by: euge on September 03, 2011, 05:28:34 PM
with all those specialty grains...and the fact you want to serve something quickly...why not make a mild?

He's almost made one gravity-wise but wanted an ordinary bitter/pale.
Title: Re: brewing an English pale
Post by: tschmidlin on September 04, 2011, 07:20:18 AM
It essentially is a mild in gravity like euge said, but every time I serve a pale mild to people they freak out because "milds are dark".  So when I make a pale mild I just call it a bitter.  Plus I wanted to emphasize the hops.