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Title: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: passlaku on September 03, 2011, 03:07:33 AM
The description of this yeast is right on.  I brewed a standard malty amber and it is clean and well attenuated.  I say it is somewhere between 001 and 002.  It flocs really well and has cleared up nice and brilliant after only two weeks in the keg.  I fermented on the high side (~68F) and got a very clean beer.  I am currently fermenting an ordinary bitter with the second generation of the initial tube.  It smells good out of the airlock so far.  I am hoping to get about 5 generations out of this tube.  Next up is a hopBurst pale ale, with ~5 oz of hops. 
Title: Re: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: wingnut on September 14, 2011, 02:39:11 AM
Cool! I have this cooking in a hoppy american brown ale and it smells great!  I am only three days into it so i hope it drops as clear as you say.
Title: Re: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: starraptor on September 15, 2011, 04:13:27 PM
All I can say is the San Diego Super Yeast (WLP090) is a machine. With a starter it took my Double American Red Ale from 1.092 down to 1.020 in 6 days.

I can say that after tasting the sample it was a really clean fermentation around 67-68 degrees (the wort).

I detected no off flavors and the hops were really present in this one

still a little cloudy but I can take care of that in secondary
Title: Re: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: hopvine on September 27, 2011, 11:57:42 PM
Noticed that White Labs is going to make it a mainstay yeast.  They had discussed making it a limited run unless the response was really positive, looks like it has been popular so far.

Just used it in a Harvest IPA.  Fermenting like crazy with a 1.070 OG.  Haven't pulled a sample yet.

Title: Re: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: blatz on September 29, 2011, 01:47:28 PM
glad to hear its going to become a mainstay - it might become a mainstay with me then as well!

I pulled a sample of IPA last night and it tastes great so far - dropped 1.070 to 1.016 in <10 days (maybe sooner - this is my first sampling).
Title: Re: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: hopvine on September 30, 2011, 10:22:06 PM
Just pulled a sample after 6 days of primary to see how fermentation is coming along.  I still have krausen and yeast is quite obviously in suspension, so this wasn't an "is it done yet?" sample, mostly just a progress check.

Gravity is still at 1.027 after an O.G. of 1.070.  Fermentation has been conducted at a steady 66F, although I brought it up to 68F after three days of fermentation (under the assumption that I was further along than I truly was).

Sample tastes great, but I'm surprised at how slowly it is fermenting, give the description offered by White Labs.

10/7/2011 Update: Took another gravity reading 11 days after pitching, and I'm still at 1.020 with continued visible signs of fermentation.  The sample tastes fine, but I'm surprised by how slowly fermentation is progressing.  I made a 1L starter and had pitched the starter at high krausen at ~16 hours.  Not sure what may have happened, but right now I don't see a compelling reason to use this yeast again.
Title: Re: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: blatz on October 14, 2011, 01:36:34 PM
update - got down to 14 at kegging, which is perfect for this recipe.

I love this yeast - I can easily see it replacing 001 in the future for me, though I need to try it out on a few other styles to be certain - just a great performer - flocs very well (only in the keg 6 days and is almost brilliant) and is clean/neutral in flavor.  hops really shine through.  could not be happier.
Title: Re: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: beersk on October 14, 2011, 03:17:51 PM
Well, it sounds like I need to try this stuff in one of my recipes now.  Thanks for all the great info, guys.
Title: Re: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: hoser on October 27, 2011, 04:57:02 PM
Just pulled a sample after 6 days of primary to see how fermentation is coming along.  I still have krausen and yeast is quite obviously in suspension, so this wasn't an "is it done yet?" sample, mostly just a progress check.

Gravity is still at 1.027 after an O.G. of 1.070.  Fermentation has been conducted at a steady 66F, although I brought it up to 68F after three days of fermentation (under the assumption that I was further along than I truly was).

Sample tastes great, but I'm surprised at how slowly it is fermenting, give the description offered by White Labs.

10/7/2011 Update: Took another gravity reading 11 days after pitching, and I'm still at 1.020 with continued visible signs of fermentation.  The sample tastes fine, but I'm surprised by how slowly fermentation is progressing.  I made a 1L starter and had pitched the starter at high krausen at ~16 hours.  Not sure what may have happened, but right now I don't see a compelling reason to use this yeast again.

I am noting similar problems with WLP090 as well.  Made an AIPA, mashed at 150F, pH 5.3 (yes, I calibrated them before the brew).  5% of the grist was C-20L.  Made a 2L starter ahead of time, chilled, decanted and then added 1.5L of IPA wort to the flask.  Got the yeast active and then pitched at 64F, slowly ramping up to 68F.  After 1 week I check my gravity prior to dry hopping and the beer went from 1.068 to 1.030, grrrrrrr....I made up an oxygenated starter of WLP007 and got it down to 1.020 today after 2 weeks, even after warming it up to 72-74F.  Still not where I want it.

Similar problem with a Hawaiian porter I brewed on Saturday.  This is the 5th time I have brewed this recipe and the second time I have used WLP090 in as many weeks. Worked up the starter the same way as the IPA.  Mashed at 154F, pH 5.3.  8% of the grist C-60L.  Pitched at 64F, but ramped up the heat a little faster to 72F over 3+ days.  Checked my gravity this AM, once again 1.068 to 1.020.  Usually this recipe finishes out at 1.012-1.014.

Same yeast, 2 different beers.  Despite all of the rave reviews of this yeast, it seems to be a little finicky to me.  I get consistent, reproducable results with WLP001, WLP007.  After 2 bad experiences with WLP090, I see no reason to use this yeast again.  Going to try to unstick my ferments with WLP099.  Wish me luck...
Title: Re: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: ynotbrusum on October 30, 2011, 05:00:32 PM
Chris White mentioned using it in an Alt competition or event; I am wondering about a Kolsch?  I like WLP 029, but if 090 can handle a cool fermentation and can drop clear quicker, then hey, I am all for giving it a go.  What do you guys think?
Title: Re: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: blatz on October 30, 2011, 05:03:05 PM
Chris White mentioned using it in an Alt competition or event; I am wondering about a Kolsch?  I like WLP 029, but if 090 can handle a cool fermentation and can drop clear quicker, then hey, I am all for giving it a go.  What do you guys think?

I can see it working well in an alt, but not a kolsch - I think it would be too clean for kolsch - none of the winey/fruity yeast aromatics would be there I would think.
Title: Re: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: wingnut on October 31, 2011, 12:25:48 AM
Ester profile is too fuity for a kolsh. (not that it is very fruity, but kolsh needs to be very clean)  I have used in an Americn Brown and Robust Porter  with great results.   

In using for succesive generations, be sure to get enough O2 to the yeast.  I found by generation 3, the quick fermentation characteristics began to lag in the testing i dd when just shaking the carboy.  With an aeration stone and air pump, 2 15 mnute shots (one before pitching, then one 4 hours after pitching) kept the quick fermentation times.
Title: Re: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: ynotbrusum on November 01, 2011, 12:20:53 AM
Chris White mentioned using it in an Alt competition or event; I am wondering about a Kolsch?  I like WLP 029, but if 090 can handle a cool fermentation and can drop clear quicker, then hey, I am all for giving it a go.  What do you guys think?

I can see it working well in an alt, but not a kolsch - I think it would be too clean for kolsch - none of the winey/fruity yeast aromatics would be there I would think.

Ester profile is too fuity for a kolsh. (not that it is very fruity, but kolsh needs to be very clean) 

Well I guess we have a difference of opinion here.... ;D
Title: Re: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: blatz on November 01, 2011, 01:22:57 AM
guess its up to interpretation:

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6C. K├Âlsch

Aroma: Very low to no Pils malt aroma. A pleasant, subtle fruit aroma from fermentation (apple, cherry or pear) is acceptable, but not always present. A low noble hop aroma is optional but not out of place (it is present only in a small minority of authentic versions). Some yeasts may give a slight winy or sulfury character (this characteristic is also optional, but not a fault).

i don't get fruity at all from the 090 but then again, I've used it in IPA which is hard to discern.
Title: Re: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: wingnut on November 01, 2011, 12:19:57 PM
Ester profile is too fuity for a kolsh. (not that it is very fruity, but kolsh needs to be very clean) 

Well I guess we have a difference of opinion here.... ;D


Indeed we do!  In the competitions I have entered, the clean Kolsh get the higher ranking.  In fact, I have entered award winning  Kolsh in Lager categories and gotten high 30's consistently....just to give you an idea of how clean I am thinking!!  I would also think of the quality of esters 090 will give you.  Kolsh yeast at a higher temps expresses esters, but they are different than what you get from 090.  (that is not necessarily a bad thing...just different)


One of the things i did a couple years ago was get 4 1gallon glass jugs so I could compare yeasts side by side.  I would suggest you save some apple juice jugs or get some from your homebrew shop and try pithcing the yeasts side by side and possibly at a few different temps and see what difference it makes.

Have fun!
Title: Re: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: blatz on November 07, 2011, 03:16:00 PM
you want to hear something funny?  I don't know if its the power of suggestion or what, but the hop aroma seems to have mellowed on the IPA (green flash clone)  I brewed with this yeast, and I am now getting a pretty strong fruity aroma - it *seems* more yeast driven than hop driven.  I have another batch of IPA in the fermenter (my house recipe, usually done with 001) that since I know the hop aroma very well, I should be able to determine if it truly is the yeast that is causing this.

What I am getting right now is even more fruity than 051/1272.  Not really digging it. 
Title: Re: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: wingnut on November 13, 2011, 03:49:26 AM
One other thing I noticed this week with WLP090....

The yeast was 1/4 of the cake from a prev batch that I fed 2L of starter wort on a stir plate, let ferment out , stored in fridge for three weeks, pulled it out, decanted beer, fed it 2L of starter work and hit it with air from a pump/airstone for 15 minutes every 4 hours over a 12 hour period.  (so 4 hits of air)  fermentation looked normal but....

When I tasted the starter, it tasted like a belgian!?!?

I wonder what caused that?  I have pitched it into a porter any way...we will see if it turns out ok.
Title: Re: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: ynotbrusum on November 15, 2011, 02:57:15 AM
I think your suggestion on gallon fermenters (or perhaps a 12 gallon batch in 3 different plastic buckets as fermenters) would be an interesting comparison - WLP 029 in one, WLP 090 in another and something like US-05 in the third.  Temperatures for each would be key - what would you do each of them at?

I have used both 029 and US-05 at mid-50's with good results...
Title: Re: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: wingnut on November 16, 2011, 03:18:25 AM
I think your suggestion on gallon fermenters (or perhaps a 12 gallon batch in 3 different plastic buckets as fermenters) would be an interesting comparison - WLP 029 in one, WLP 090 in another and something like US-05 in the third.  Temperatures for each would be key - what would you do each of them at?

I have used both 029 and US-05 at mid-50's with good results...

I agree 029 at 56 to 58F.... Us-05  I have only ever gone as low as 62F(It still fermented plenty fast, so lower is possible).

As for 090... I have not done a low temp batch yet.  Maybe around Christmas I will have the time to drip a few yeasts into gallon jugs and see what happens.   


Any one have two more yeasts to comapre?  I can compare 5 or 6 different types at a time...

Title: Re: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: blatz on December 02, 2011, 02:42:17 PM
UPDATE:  I now have had a taste from second batch using this yeast, and the same fruity ester aroma dominates (both batches were IPAs but different recipes).  I've changed my mind - I don't think I like it and not sure that I will use it again - I prefer the more neutral ester profile of 001 to this.
Title: Re: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: passlaku on December 02, 2011, 11:07:21 PM
Blatz,
I don't generally brew big IPAs, so hearing about your experience really helps.  What temp did you ferment at?  I am starting to think that this is more like an  suped up 002 than an 001.  Good to know that it works well with malt forward beers and that it tends to suppress hop flavor (I think that is what I got from your posts). 
Title: Re: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: blatz on December 28, 2011, 08:43:00 PM
Blatz,
I don't generally brew big IPAs, so hearing about your experience really helps.  What temp did you ferment at?  I am starting to think that this is more like an  suped up 002 than an 001.  Good to know that it works well with malt forward beers and that it tends to suppress hop flavor (I think that is what I got from your posts). 

Suped up 051 is more like what I think - I get a lot of the same character from Cali V 051 that I do on this one.

Its a good yeast, but its just not one that I dig - 001 is hard to beat for me and what I brew.  And when I want a little english character, i spring for 013 - London Ale.  I think its just me.

As for malty beers, I gave my last 2 vials of SSY to a friend who made a porter with it a week or 2 ago - I'll be tasting that one soon and can report back. 
Title: Re: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: jzynel on January 27, 2012, 02:45:31 AM
I have used this strain on 3 beers now and it is going to be my house yeast.  I am really happy with the results.  The three beers I brewed were a barleywine, a double IPA and a Christmas Ale.  The initial gravities were 1.080 to 1.120 on the various styles.  All three where done fermenting within 3 to 5 days at 68 degrees and the FG on all three was 1.010. 

I used a 1L starter for all three.  The starter was done in 24 hours on a stirplate.  I cold crashed, decanted and then allowed to warm for an hour before pitching.  Fermentation started anywhere from 1 to 4 hours. 

The yeast settled out one day after airlock activity and the beer cleared great. 

This yeast is awesome and very alcohol tolerant.  I have slanted it for future use.   

I highly recommend this yeast for any beer in which you want a clean fermentation.

Joe Zynel
Title: Re: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: drmario47 on January 27, 2012, 03:54:26 PM
I used this yeast on a blonde ale. Worked great, clean taste, very quick fermentation. Definitely recommend it. Sent the blonde ale that I fermented with San Diego Super Yeast to Sam Adams for the Patriot Homebrew contest. Hope I get some good feedback.
Title: Re: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: firedog23 on February 05, 2012, 07:46:20 PM
First time using SD Super and I am wondering if anyone has opened one of these and it explodes like a Pepsi on a hot day? I lost about a third of the vial and quickly jammed the rest in the carboy. I assume I will be alright but I was not expecting that.
Title: Re: WLP San Diego Super Yeast (user update)
Post by: cheba420 on February 05, 2012, 09:10:17 PM
First time using SD Super and I am wondering if anyone has opened one of these and it explodes like a Pepsi on a hot day? I lost about a third of the vial and quickly jammed the rest in the carboy. I assume I will be alright but I was not expecting that.
I just used it for the first time this weekend and the same thing happened to me. I made a pretty big starter though so I'm not concerned with the loss so much as I am with the unexpected mess.