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Title: Something to concider
Post by: tubercle on September 14, 2011, 11:35:28 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/14/broken-mcdonalds-soda-machine-factor-in-georgia-womans-death/?test=latestnews
Title: Re: Something to concider
Post by: maxieboy on September 14, 2011, 11:56:19 PM
You're right. Stay out of McDonald's...  ;D
Title: Re: Something to concider
Post by: Hokerer on September 14, 2011, 11:58:13 PM
You're right. Stay out of McDonald's...  ;D

Nothing difficult about that solution
Title: Re: Something to concider
Post by: tubercle on September 15, 2011, 12:29:47 AM
I wasn't thinking in those terms but....you're right :P
Title: Re: Something to concider
Post by: Tim McManus on September 15, 2011, 01:00:18 AM
I've had a 5# CO2 tank pop its pressure valve in my kitchen.  It rapidly displaced all of the air in the room in a matter of seconds.  Luckily I was in the kitchen at the time and opened all the doors and windows to vent it.

Keep this in mind the next time you refill your 5#, 10# or 20# CO2 tank and throw it in the back of your car.  It doesn't matter if you crack the windows, a pressure value relief breach will fill the car with CO2 in seconds.

Another somber story, a friend of a friend was a welder.  Took some welding tanks home from a site in his car.  They had a slow leak and then next morning when he started the car it detonated.  The gas pooled in his car and the ignition was the spark.  Killed instantly.

Be very careful with pressurized gasses.  I own a pickup and throw everything in the bed and strap it down.  If you have a car, even if you put tanks in the trunk, keep your windows open and store the tanks immediately.
Title: Re: Something to concider
Post by: maxieboy on September 15, 2011, 01:35:55 AM
I've had a 5# CO2 tank pop its pressure valve in my kitchen.  It rapidly displaced all of the air in the room in a matter of seconds.  Luckily I was in the kitchen at the time and opened all the doors and windows to vent it.

Keep this in mind the next time you refill your 5#, 10# or 20# CO2 tank and throw it in the back of your car.  It doesn't matter if you crack the windows, a pressure value relief breach will fill the car with CO2 in seconds.

Another somber story, a friend of a friend was a welder.  Took some welding tanks home from a site in his car.  They had a slow leak and then next morning when he started the car it detonated.  The gas pooled in his car and the ignition was the spark.  Killed instantly.

Be very careful with pressurized gasses.  I own a pickup and throw everything in the bed and strap it down.  If you have a car, even if you put tanks in the trunk, keep your windows open and store the tanks immediately.

Thanks for the serious reply. Thanks to the Tubercle for bringing this to our attention. Something else to worry about...  ;)  j/k, information is power.
Title: Re: Something to concider
Post by: cheba420 on September 15, 2011, 02:25:53 AM
Are you not supposed to huff the CO2 tank??? ;)
Title: Re: Something to concider
Post by: euge on September 15, 2011, 06:14:44 AM
And I thought this was about cider...

Thanks for the info on the tank. I've always just laid it in the footwell. Sometimes get's left in warm car for an entire shift. :-\
Title: Re: Something to concider
Post by: phillamb168 on September 15, 2011, 06:54:13 AM
Wow, thanks for the heads-up on this. I suppose I'm ok for the moment in case of danger where 1. my 5# co2 tank is downstairs in our 50 square meter basement and 2. a 1# co2 tank is in the beer fridge upstairs.

I've kept a helium tank in the car before, but I figure if that valve blows we're gonna know pretty quick as long as we've got a conversation going.
Title: Re: Something to concider
Post by: punatic on September 15, 2011, 08:33:47 AM
And I thought this was about cider...


Oh, I get it... you mean apple sider.   :D
Title: Re: Something to concider
Post by: phillamb168 on September 15, 2011, 09:19:52 AM
And I thought this was about cider...


Oh, I get it... you mean apple sider.   :D

cyser? what?
Title: Re: Something to concider
Post by: tubercle on September 15, 2011, 12:10:36 PM
And I thought this was about cider...


Oh, I get it... you mean apple sider.   :D

 I wish that someday someone would invent a thing...let's call it the internet....where a person could instantly access information such as the correct spelling of a word when they wern't sure. :P
Title: Re: Something to concider
Post by: phillamb168 on September 15, 2011, 12:30:17 PM
You mean when they weren't sure?

 ;D
Title: Re: Something to concider
Post by: tubercle on September 15, 2011, 12:46:06 PM
You mean when they weren't sure?

 ;D


 Dang >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Something to concider
Post by: Slowbrew on September 15, 2011, 01:43:58 PM
You mean when they weren't sure?

 ;D


 Dang >:( >:( >:( >:(

I hate it when that happens.  Glad to see it isn't just me though. 8^)

Paul
Title: Re: Something to concider
Post by: Slowbrew on September 15, 2011, 01:49:30 PM
It has crossed my mind when I'm hooking up a new tank whether a leak could push all the air out of my basement.  I always test any new connections in hope of avoiding this type of issue.

I also drive a pickup and have one of those chrome tool boxes slung across the front of the box.  I put the CO2 tank in the tool box and brace it "stuff" to hold it in place.  I figure if it blows inside the tool box only the tool box will get hurt.

Something to think about though when you're traveling.

Paul
Title: Re: Something to concider
Post by: Hokerer on September 15, 2011, 02:07:23 PM
It has crossed my mind when I'm hooking up a new tank whether a leak could push all the air out of my basement.  I always test any new connections in hope of avoiding this type of issue.

I also drive a pickup and have one of those chrome tool boxes slung across the front of the box.  I put the CO2 tank in the tool box and brace it "stuff" to hold it in place.  I figure if it blows inside the tool box only the tool box will get hurt.

Something to think about though when you're traveling.

Paul

Yep, same when I refill propane tanks - keep them fastened in place in the bed of the truck outside
Title: Re: Something to concider
Post by: rjharper on September 15, 2011, 02:12:30 PM
Reminds me of when I worked with liquid nitrogen on a daily basis.  Didn't matter how many floors up you had to take it, or how heavy it was, you weren't allowed to take in into the elevator.
Title: Re: Something to concider
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on September 16, 2011, 12:22:59 AM
Great.
I just had 300 lb bulk CO2 tank installed in my 1000 sq ft brewery.
Should I worry?
Title: Re: Something to concider
Post by: morticaixavier on September 16, 2011, 02:40:46 PM
are there such things as co2 detectors? if so could one be rigged to s big a$$ vent fan to kick on immediatly if the concentrations get above a certain key level? I am thinking more of commercial situations where, as Thirsty Monk says he's got 300lbs of CO2 in his 1000sq ft space.
Title: Re: Something to concider
Post by: dano14041 on September 16, 2011, 02:59:50 PM
are there such things as co2 detectors? if so could one be rigged to s big a$$ vent fan to kick on immediatly if the concentrations get above a certain key level? I am thinking more of commercial situations where, as Thirsty Monk says he's got 300lbs of CO2 in his 1000sq ft space.

Thirsty Monk's best bet would be to contact a local HVAC (Heating and Air Company). They would know the local codes and be able to hook him up with a detection system and auto vent. It might cost a few dollars, but it would be much better than a dead Thirsty Monk!

That being said, there are theses: http://www.instrumart.com/products/18180/ge-telaire-ventostat-series-co2-monitor (http://www.instrumart.com/products/18180/ge-telaire-ventostat-series-co2-monitor) that he might be able to hood up himself if he is a DIY'er.
Title: Re: Something to concider
Post by: oscarvan on September 19, 2011, 07:50:16 PM
Haven't been in a McDonalds or had a soda in 20 years.......

Combustible bottles travel in truck bed. After sticking my nose in fermentation freezer I know you can tell a high concentration of CO2 by the fact that your sinuses are burning off...... But, an explosive release in a small compartment could be "interesting". Not too worried about in the house. Same with the 1000 pounder. Low concentrations are not a problem, ..(we drink the stuff remember)  instantaneous release you don't need a detector..But, leaks are $$, so for that reason I would consider it.