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Title: OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
Post by: denny on September 20, 2011, 07:08:03 PM
So, I'm doing a Zymurgy article and I thought I'd do some research on making hop teas to compare hops.  I've done this before with poor results, but I wanted to quantify things a bit.  Holy s***!  That has got to be some of the most vile, disgusting stuff to ever pass my lips!  3 hours later I can't get the harshness out of my mouth.  Do people actually make this stuff and put it in their beers?  Man, I shudder just thinking about what it tasted like.
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Post by: Tristan on September 20, 2011, 07:14:08 PM
LOL!!!!  Can't wait to see the article Denny.
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Post by: morticaixavier on September 20, 2011, 07:48:04 PM
but you will sleep well. ;D
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Post by: Kit B on September 20, 2011, 07:53:45 PM
So, I'm doing a Zymurgy article and I thought I'd do some research on making hop teas to compare hops.  I've done this before with poor results, but I wanted to quantify things a bit.  Holy s***!  That has got to be some of the most vile, disgusting stuff to ever pass my lips!  3 hours later I can't get the harshness out of my mouth.  Do people actually make this stuff and put it in their beers?  Man, I shudder just thinking about what it tasted like.

That's how I feel about the green tea that is all the rage, these days.

--puke--
Title: Re: OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
Post by: denny on September 20, 2011, 07:56:59 PM
but you will sleep well. ;D

I don't think so...this crap makes me feel like I wanna puke....
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Post by: dbeechum on September 20, 2011, 07:59:39 PM
You adding any DME to that tea?

I have a theory it helps both extraction and flavor. :)
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Post by: hoser on September 20, 2011, 08:06:20 PM
A couple of thoughts Denny:
1. Leaf or pellets? I imagine a hop tea with pellets will be a little more vegetal and harsh?

2. The warmer/hotter the extraction may result in more harsh characteristics, ie cold-steeping coffee vs. french press vs. a percolater?

3. Water chemistry: similar to Burton vs. Pilsner water.  Would using R/O or DI result in a less harsh flavor profile do to the water chemistry in tap water?
Title: Re: OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
Post by: denny on September 20, 2011, 08:09:28 PM
You adding any DME to that tea?

I have a theory it helps both extraction and flavor. :)

Nope, I didn't.  I hope to god I don't get any more extraction that I already did!  I'm sure flavor would be improved, but I wanted to keep it "pure".  I tried whole (homegrown) Cascade and Columbus and Mt. Hood pellets.  All I can really say is that you could tell a difference between them all.
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Post by: dbeechum on September 20, 2011, 08:11:24 PM
I think you actually extract different things based on the pH and minerals in the water so I think you get a better example of what to expect in the beer with a DME tea than just a tea.
Title: Re: OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
Post by: denny on September 20, 2011, 08:12:24 PM
A couple of thoughts Denny:
1. Leaf or pellets? I imagine a hop tea with pellets will be a little more vegetal and harsh?

Both...actually the pellets were better

2. The warmer/hotter the extraction may result in more harsh characteristics, ie cold-steeping coffee vs. french press vs. a percolater?

Water was 170.  Less than in the kettle where they normally go, maybe a touch hotter than FWH temps

3. Water chemistry: similar to Burton vs. Pilsner water.  Would using R/O or DI result in a less harsh flavor profile do to the water chemistry in tap water?

My water isn't very extreme.  RO or DI might be better, but I was looking for something that anyone could do in their kitchen as a way of comparing hops and learning their flavors.
Title: Re: OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
Post by: denny on September 20, 2011, 08:13:42 PM
I think you actually extract different things based on the pH and minerals in the water so I think you get a better example of what to expect in the beer with a DME tea than just a tea.

I agree with you, although when I did this before I adjusted water pH without improving the results much.  I wanted to try  KISS method for people to try at home.
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Post by: hoser on September 20, 2011, 08:18:21 PM
Contact time would also be a factor.

What about blending the tea with something tasteless like a BMC? ;D
Title: Re: OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
Post by: denny on September 20, 2011, 08:24:47 PM
Contact time would also be a factor.

What about blending the tea with something tasteless like a BMC? ;D

5 min. contact time. 
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Post by: bluesman on September 20, 2011, 08:28:41 PM
I wonder if it has the same effects as a hop extract?  :-\

Hey Denny...just a little dab will do ya..it's good for what ales ya.  :D

Title: Re: OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
Post by: denny on September 20, 2011, 09:03:13 PM
Hey Denny...just a little dab will do ya..it's good for what ales ya.  :D



A l'il dab is even too much!
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Post by: EHall on September 20, 2011, 09:11:31 PM
I did this once... boiled a qt of water down to ~3/4C with about .5oz of pellets added... was going to add to a kitchen sink beer that turned out underhopped... decided to taste it... WOW! I will never do that again... It took forever to get that taste out of my mouth. horrible dreams... but after aging the beer turned out ok.
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Post by: rep on September 20, 2011, 09:18:47 PM
I heard that, "tea" replaced waterboarding in Iraq a few years ago.
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Post by: narvin on September 20, 2011, 09:33:41 PM
And you call yourself a hophead...

I'm wondering what the article will be like.  How many words does it take to say "DON'T  :)"?
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Post by: Kit B on September 20, 2011, 09:42:04 PM
I heard that, "tea" replaced waterboarding in Iraq a few years ago.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
 :P
Title: Re: OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
Post by: denny on September 20, 2011, 09:47:24 PM
And you call yourself a hophead...

I'm wondering what the article will be like.  How many words does it take to say "DON'T  :)"?

The article is about recipe formulation.  I was working on ways to learn the flavors of various ingredients.
Title: Re: OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
Post by: The Professor on September 20, 2011, 10:06:12 PM
So, I'm doing a Zymurgy article and I thought I'd do some research on making hop teas to compare hops.  I've done this before with poor results, but I wanted to quantify things a bit.  Holy s***!  That has got to be some of the most vile, disgusting stuff to ever pass my lips!  3 hours later I can't get the harshness out of my mouth.  Do people actually make this stuff and put it in their beers?  Man, I shudder just thinking about what it tasted like.

That's how I feel about the green tea that is all the rage, these days.

--puke--


I've tried hop tea both as a beverage and as an addition to beer, and yes...lousy for both and gag inducing.  And I love hops.

But green tea pukeworthy?  ...Really??   I think you must have had green tea that was made incorrectly. 
I've been drinking since my college days in the early 70's and find that green tea is generally mellower and even a touch sweeter on the palate than black tea.  The trick is to use water just short of boiling, and dont ever steep the leaves for more than 5 minutes.    Any hotter or  longer than that and you definitely will wind up with a tannic and tongue shriveling astringent cup of yuck.
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Post by: nateo on September 20, 2011, 11:31:01 PM
I'm still in the "Keep it simple, stupid!" phase in my brewing. I don't have any idea how to start bringing multiple specialty grains into the mix in any meaningful way, so I'd actually be really interested in reading that article.

I started out with (IMO) needlessly complicated recipes I got online or at the brew store. Since then, all my recipes now are "mostly-or-all-base-malt-and/or-a-touch-of-specialty/roasted."

I also usually just use one hop at a time when I'm brewing. I don't really know how or why to do different varieties at different times, or why you would pick one hop for a 15min addition and a different one for a flameout addition.

Title: Re: OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
Post by: majorvices on September 21, 2011, 03:03:39 PM
So, I'm doing a Zymurgy article and I thought I'd do some research on making hop teas to compare hops.  I've done this before with poor results, but I wanted to quantify things a bit.  Holy s***!  That has got to be some of the most vile, disgusting stuff to ever pass my lips!  3 hours later I can't get the harshness out of my mouth.  Do people actually make this stuff and put it in their beers?  Man, I shudder just thinking about what it tasted like.

That's how I feel about the green tea that is all the rage, these days.

--puke--


I've tried hop tea both as a beverage and as an addition to beer, and yes...lousy for both and gag inducing.  And I love hops.

But green tea pukeworthy?  ...Really??   I think you must have had green tea that was made incorrectly. 
I've been drinking since my college days in the early 70's and find that green tea is generally mellower and even a touch sweeter on the palate than black tea.  The trick is to use water just short of boiling, and dont ever steep the leaves for more than 5 minutes.    Any hotter or  longer than that and you definitely will wind up with a tannic and tongue shriveling astringent cup of yuck.


Agree, I had no idea green tea was "all the rage". I guess I have been on the fringe on fashion for 20 years now.  ;) Like beer or coffe, green tea is an aquired taste. Now put your juice box down for a minute and give it a try.  ;)
Title: Re: OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
Post by: Kit B on September 21, 2011, 03:35:04 PM
So, I'm doing a Zymurgy article and I thought I'd do some research on making hop teas to compare hops.  I've done this before with poor results, but I wanted to quantify things a bit.  Holy s***!  That has got to be some of the most vile, disgusting stuff to ever pass my lips!  3 hours later I can't get the harshness out of my mouth.  Do people actually make this stuff and put it in their beers?  Man, I shudder just thinking about what it tasted like.

That's how I feel about the green tea that is all the rage, these days.

--puke--


I've tried hop tea both as a beverage and as an addition to beer, and yes...lousy for both and gag inducing.  And I love hops.

But green tea pukeworthy?  ...Really??   I think you must have had green tea that was made incorrectly.  
I've been drinking since my college days in the early 70's and find that green tea is generally mellower and even a touch sweeter on the palate than black tea.  The trick is to use water just short of boiling, and dont ever steep the leaves for more than 5 minutes.    Any hotter or  longer than that and you definitely will wind up with a tannic and tongue shriveling astringent cup of yuck.


I've heard this line from every tea lover I have spoken to.
I just plain don't like green tea.
Yuck.
I also don't drink much juice...Definitely not out of a box.
Citrus teas are OK...Coffee is my preferred hot drink.
Hop tea can be very nasty...Kinda like green tea.   ;D
Title: Re: OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
Post by: narvin on September 21, 2011, 04:12:44 PM
And you call yourself a hophead...

I'm wondering what the article will be like.  How many words does it take to say "DON'T  :)"?

The article is about recipe formulation.  I was working on ways to learn the flavors of various ingredients.

If you just smell the tea, does it smell like the hops do in a beer?
Title: Re: OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
Post by: nateo on September 21, 2011, 05:07:02 PM
Green tea tastes exactly like seaweed to me. I like seaweed, though, so I don't mind drinking green tea. I can totally see people hating it though.
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Post by: denny on September 21, 2011, 05:20:51 PM
If you just smell the tea, does it smell like the hops do in a beer?

Nope, not at all.  Smelling the raw hops gives you a much better idea.
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Post by: corkybstewart on September 21, 2011, 07:19:40 PM
I tried this once to "calibrate" my homegrown hops.  First I made a tea with Cascade, around 5.5 AA IIRC. then with my hops.  I figured I could compare my hops with the known sample to get an approximation of the AA's.  But the Cascade was so awful I really couldn't taste anything when I tried my own hops.
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Post by: dannyjed on September 21, 2011, 08:29:47 PM
Denny, thanks for being the Guinea Pig in this experiment because I actually thought about doing this before.  Next time I'll just sniff the bag or smell the glove :D
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Post by: eltharyon on September 24, 2011, 02:30:28 AM
I used a coffee press once on some hops, I heard you get better extraction. 

Well you know how it goes, you taste everything you put in your beer so I took a taste, Mt. Hood tea, you know the beer came out great so lets not ruin the end results with reliving that tea.
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Post by: euge on September 24, 2011, 04:05:05 AM
Denny, I still have the hop tincture we talked about. Smells much of nothing that's why I've never used it. Though, I could try adding it to see if there is any aroma improvement.
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Post by: punatic on September 24, 2011, 09:45:58 AM
...Holy s***!  That has got to be some of the most vile, disgusting stuff to ever pass my lips!  3 hours later I can't get the harshness out of my mouth...

I'm guessing you've never tried beer cheese.  Three hours is not nearly enough time to get over it.  It's been 27 years since I tasted beer cheese.  The thought of it still makes me want to hurl.
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Post by: phillamb168 on September 25, 2011, 07:34:42 PM
...Holy s***!  That has got to be some of the most vile, disgusting stuff to ever pass my lips!  3 hours later I can't get the harshness out of my mouth...

I'm guessing you've never tried beer cheese.  Three hours is not nearly enough time to get over it.  It's been 27 years since I tasted beer cheese.  The thought of it still makes me want to hurl.

You think that's bad, try beer cheese made with geuze.