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Title: Finally sent for water report
Post by: dean on January 12, 2010, 06:53:58 PM
How long does it generally take Ward Labs to complete and make their report? 

Brewing is a bit more interesting here in Michigan with well water.   Not that I expected to have perfect water but its a big change from having more varieties of beer I could brew with the city water I had in Ohio.  Its pretty much dark beers here that seem to do okay but I personally can't drink stouts everyday.... gotta mix it up a little, now I'm just wondering how much its going to cost me in minerals and how long it will take me to get the hang of using them.   :-\
Title: Re: Finally sent for water report
Post by: hamiltont on January 12, 2010, 07:11:38 PM
Ward Labs was pretty quick turning around my report.  I think less that a week after they received it.  The minerals are not that expensive and you shouldn't need a lot to adjust your water. I bought what I needed at a local store (Baking Soda & Epsom Salt) and on-line at Midwest (Lactic Acid, Gypsum & Calcium Chloride).  Palmer's RA Spreadsheet is quite handy as well!!
Title: Re: Finally sent for water report
Post by: Beertracker on January 12, 2010, 10:33:21 PM
Post your results here, as I like looking over various water Q reports from all over the country. I'm a beergeek after all!  ;D
Title: Re: Finally sent for water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 12, 2010, 11:01:33 PM
A comparison of RO water purchased at a store in Wixom, MI and the tap water from my village's water from wells in out gravel soil.  You can see why I am using RO for the base water and adding salts as required by the beer style.
Both date sets are from Ward labs and it was about a week for the electronic reply, and a few more days for the mailed paper copies.

   RO Water   Milford
pH   6.3   7.8
TDS   12   630
Cond. mmho/cm   0.02   1.05
Cations/anions me/L   <.1/<.1   11,10.8
      
Na   <1   58
K   <1   3
Ca   <1   114
Mg   <1   33
Harness CaCO3   <1   423
Nitrate   <0.1 (Safe)   0.3 (Safe)
SO4   <1   16
Cl   <1   132
CO3   <1   <1
HCO3   <1   364
Total Alkalinity CaCO3   <1   298

Title: Re: Finally sent for water report
Post by: uisgue on March 12, 2010, 03:36:29 AM
I just got my report from Ward Labs but I don't really understand what it tells me or what I want to change or why.  It seems to me that this is pretty soft water.  Does that mean I can brew low SRM beers as it is, and would have to adjust to brew something like an Imperial Stout?

pH                7.4
Cations/Anions, me/L     1.1 / 0.9
Na               11
K                 <1
Ca               9
Mg               2
CaCO3         31
Nitrate          0.3 (NO3-N)
Sulfate          1 (SO4-S)
Cl                 4
CO3              <1     Carbonate
HCO3           40    Bicarbonate
CaCO3          33   Total Alkalinity
Title: Re: Finally sent for water report
Post by: a10t2 on March 12, 2010, 03:54:26 AM
Does that mean I can brew low SRM beers as it is, and would have to adjust to brew something like an Imperial Stout?

Not quite; you'd probably want to add gypsum (for hoppy beers) or calcium chloride (for malty beers) - at least enough to get your calcium to 50 ppm. The only time you would have to dilute with distilled or RO water would be for something like a pilsner. For anything darker than maybe 10 SRM, you'll need to add carbonates with chalk and/or baking soda.
Title: Re: Finally sent for water report
Post by: dhacker on March 14, 2010, 07:53:23 PM
Alright Jeffery, since yer a water geek . .  ;)

Got my report from Ward last week. This is from my well here in West TN after passing through the whole house sediment filter. My pump inlet is 220 feet deep, in 100 feet of water within the McNairy-Nacatoch aquifer which is nearly 500 ft. thick at my location. I have all the water I'll ever need!  :)

As Bill Pierce would say, time to brew up a Czech pils!   ;D


pH 5.8
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 47
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.08
Cations / Anions, me/L < 0.1 / 0.1
ppm
Sodium, Na < 1
Potassium, K < 1
Calcium, Ca < 1
Magnesium, Mg < 1
Total Hardness, CaCO3 < 1
Nitrate, NO3-N < 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S < 1
Chloride, Cl < 1
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 6
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 5
Title: Re: Finally sent for water report
Post by: euge on March 15, 2010, 05:03:18 PM
I see lots of Chloride-Sulfate imbalances in these reports.

Dilution is key for my water if I want to brew anything under 18 SRM:

Bicarbonate 218
Calcium 77
Chloride 15
Sulfate 23
Sodium 11
Magnesium 17
Total Alkalinity as Calcium Carbonate 218
Total hardness  as Calcium Carbonate 229
TDS 309
pH 7.7

Woohoo the RO unit (while wasteful) makes great-tasting water! Perfect for dilution!

Title: Re: Finally sent for water report
Post by: a10t2 on March 15, 2010, 06:22:54 PM
I see lots of Chloride-Sulfate imbalances in these reports.

Except for hopfenundmalz, they all seem pretty tame to me. FWIW I don't think there's anything magical about a SO4:Cl ratio. 20:10 won't taste anything like 100:50. For that matter, mine is about 20:1 but hoppy beers don't taste quite right without more gypsum.

Anyway, here's mine. Lawrence, Indiana - we're surrounded by, but separate from, metro Indianapolis water.

Ca 96
Mg 26
Na 21
Cl 2
SO4 39
HCO3 358
Title: Re: Finally sent for water report
Post by: xerotime on March 16, 2010, 09:33:43 PM
Shrewsbury MA

pH 7.5
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 376
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.63
Cations / Anions, me/L 5.8 / 5.7

ppm
Sodium, Na 71
Potassium, K 10
Calcium, Ca 39
Magnesium, Mg 6
Total Hardness, CaCO3 123
Nitrate, NO3-N < 0.7 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 9
Chloride, Cl 138
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 65
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 54