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Title: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: ckpash88 on October 04, 2011, 07:39:21 PM
So my buddies usually dont like IPA's (My friends ideal beer is Bud Light) so i got a Full Sail IPA out of the blue and he flet adventurous and tried and he loved it so now i am commisioned to make something close. His favorite part was the Grapefruit flavor so i want to make that stick out.

Does anyone have some ideas, recipes,

Thanks
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: morticaixavier on October 04, 2011, 08:11:07 PM
looks like Full Sail is hopped with centenial

From the website

"Generously hopped to 60 IBU’s in the classic style, our IPA is a real thirst quencher.

 

It has a full, malty body and there’s even a hint of fresh citrus to it. Perfect after your favorite water sport. Even if that happens to be the grueling drag-the-poolside-lounge-chair-into-the-sun event.

ABV 6% IBU 60 "

hope that helps
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: dannyjed on October 04, 2011, 08:19:09 PM
IMO Amarillo hops give a wonderful grapefruit flavor in my IPA's.
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: euge on October 04, 2011, 08:51:46 PM
I have one of those Full Sails in the fridge. He should try the Lattitude 48!

Grapefruit. Cascade, Columbus and Amarillo. I find EKG combined with Fuggles throws some grapefruit too.
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: ckpash88 on October 04, 2011, 09:16:43 PM
How about a Amarillo Citra combo?
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: ketch32 on October 04, 2011, 09:18:27 PM
Full Sail just touches on the grapefruit, in my opinion.  I just made an IPA with the largest grapefruit/citrus aroma, taste, and bittering I have ever done.  For most, this would be too extreme.  Grapefruit champagney in aroma - never achieved this before.  Lots of hops, but centered on Nelson and Citra with large dry-hopping Amarillo and Nelson.  Crazy fruity hops!  And, the Rye malt addition seems to add to it all!
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 04, 2011, 09:19:47 PM
I made a couple of saisons last summer with Styrian Goldings and got a strong grapefruit flavor.

I don't know if it came more from the yeast or the hops, but it was definitely grapefruit.
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: blatz on October 04, 2011, 09:31:59 PM
How about a Amarillo Citra combo?

I think the tropically-ness of the Citra would overpower the grapefruit/citrus of the Amarillo.

I like Euge's suggestion - Cascade/Columbus/Amarillo.
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: ckpash88 on October 04, 2011, 09:56:56 PM
So of I went with the cascade Columbus Amarillo combo. What would be a good grain bill that would compliment it and hop schedule and such. All grain Recipe ideas, I have never made an IPA so I have no experience to assist me.
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: majorvices on October 04, 2011, 10:03:55 PM
Simple IPA recipe - 2 row basemalt, small addition of crystal malt. Clean fermenting yeast. Your good.
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: ckpash88 on October 04, 2011, 10:27:53 PM
So I went with

12# two row
1# crystal 40
1# carapils

2oz cascade 60min
1 oz columbus 30 min
1 oz Amarillo 5 min
1oz amarillo whole hops dry hoping

Not sure what yeast

Any thoughts critiques? Will I get a good amount of grapefruit?
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: majorvices on October 04, 2011, 10:35:55 PM
You don't need the cara pils.

You do need more hops. Way more hops. Especially in the last 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: Mark G on October 04, 2011, 10:37:16 PM
I'd move most of the hops to the 20 minute mark or later if you're looking to maximize grapefruit flavor/aroma. Then back into your estimated IBU's by adding a 60 min bittering addition. And you can use something clean like Magnum for that addition if you want to save your other hops for late additions.

As far as grain bill, I'd drop the carapils if you already have a pound of C-40. And maybe add a bit of Munich, say half a pound.

Disclaimer: These are just my personal preferences.  ;D
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: ckpash88 on October 04, 2011, 10:46:31 PM
So what would suggest for hop amounts and the times to add them? I have never done any hoppy beers or an ipa
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: speed on October 04, 2011, 11:44:17 PM
i would have switched the cascade and columbus around, but thats just me.
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: andyi on October 04, 2011, 11:44:54 PM
 HomebrewWiki - Amarillo Pale Ale

http://wiki.homebrewersassociation.org/AmarilloPaleAle

OR....


Lagunitas IPA Clone - brewed and cloned from the Brewing Network - CYBI

Great  drinking IPA that will not burn a hole in your tongue.

All recipes are 6 gallons post-boil, 70% efficiency, Morey for color, 15% evaporation, 7.27 gallons preboil if 60min boil, Rager IBU, and most hops are in grams not ounces. Most, if not all recipes are primary only (no secondary).

If you brew this, please reply with your results.

SG 1060
FG 1020 (target of 1018)
9 SRM
46.8 IBU

WLP002 or Wyeast 1968 at 66F, increase to 70 over 5-6 days to increase attenuation due to 002 being a low attenuator.

10.9 lbs US 2-row
0.87 lbs wheat malt
0.82 lbs munich
0.55 lbs crystal 60
1.3 lbs crystal 10

4g summit 18.5%AA at 60m
10g horizon %AA at 60m
23g Williamette 4.75%AA at 30min
11g Centennial 9%AA at 30min
34g Cascade 5.75%AA at 1m
21g Cascade dry hop for 5 days
21g Centennial dry hop for 5 days

Mash at 160F [yep, that's no typo. I had to replay it myself.]

Added unkown quantity of gypsum to kettle.

Jamil noted that if he rebrewed he would mash at 158F to hit the SG. He thinks that 160F may be too high on his particular system.
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: SiameseMoose on October 04, 2011, 11:50:50 PM
I'm surprised nobody mentioned the obvious: put some real grapefruit in it! Last month I was in northern Italy, and had a couple beers made with grapefruit. I liked them enough to try it on my own, in a Belgian-American IPA. Added the zest of one large red grapefruit to the last 5 minutes of the boil, and added the juice and pulp of that same grapefruit (after freezing it) to the secondary, which is where it still is. Due to be bottled Friday.
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: denny on October 05, 2011, 12:24:49 AM
How about a Amarillo Citra combo?

IMO, you really need Cascade fro grapefruit.
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: euge on October 05, 2011, 12:27:04 AM
Just finished a keg that I poured half a gallon of ruby red grapefruit juice (no pulp) in.  It was a Kolsch so not too hoppy and the essence of grapefruit came through. Not as pronounced as the hops' effect that one gets but worth investigating. There towards the end of the keg it was really nice.
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: ckpash88 on October 05, 2011, 12:35:42 AM
Where Should I all put cascade

The grain bill will be
10 # two row
1 # c40
2 # Munich

Which hops should I add at what time and the amounts
60 min
30 min
15 min
Flameout
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: morticaixavier on October 05, 2011, 12:45:56 AM
I have brewed that recipe above and it was really nice. The midwife that delivered my son really liked it. Like others have said though, move lots of hops in the last 20 minutes of the boil, like 1 oz @ 20, 1 @15 1 @10 1 @5 and 1 a@ flameout.

In terms of which hops when I would go for the earthier hops earlier and some cascade and amarillo towards the end and dry hop as well
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: majorvices on October 05, 2011, 12:48:13 AM
Put them in the last 10 minutes of the boil.


A good IPA hopping would be something like

.5 oz Columbus @ 60
1 oz Centennial @ 20
2 oz Centenial @ 10
2 oz Cascade @ 0
2 oz Amarillo @ 0

You really can;t put too much finishing hops in! ;)
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: blatz on October 05, 2011, 02:07:42 AM
Put them in the last 10 minutes of the boil.


A good IPA hopping would be something like

.5 oz Columbus @ 60
1 oz Centennial @ 20
2 oz Centenial @ 10
2 oz Cascade @ 0
2 oz Amarillo @ 0

You really can;t put too much finishing hops in! ;)

I like that - plus about 2-3 oz of dryhops (equal parts amarillo/cascade/columbus)
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: rightasrain on October 05, 2011, 02:57:44 AM
Put them in the last 10 minutes of the boil.


A good IPA hopping would be something like

.5 oz Columbus @ 60
1 oz Centennial @ 20
2 oz Centenial @ 10
2 oz Cascade @ 0
2 oz Amarillo @ 0

You really can;t put too much finishing hops in! ;)

I like that - plus about 2-3 oz of dryhops (equal parts amarillo/cascade/columbus)
+1 from me too. I might use citra as another option to those previously mentioned.
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: ckpash88 on October 05, 2011, 03:52:47 AM
I like those ideas right above for hop addition I think I am going to go with the grain bill a couple post back. Any suggestion on yeast strains?
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: richardt on October 05, 2011, 08:32:31 AM
WY1272 American Ale II, WY1056 American Ale (Chico), or WY1450 Denny's Favorite 50 are all good choices.
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: blatz on October 05, 2011, 01:13:05 PM
or WL090 - San Diego Super
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: morticaixavier on October 05, 2011, 02:42:22 PM
or 1968 like the wiki entry suggests.
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: majorvices on October 05, 2011, 03:03:54 PM
Or WY1056/WL001 - if you don't make starters stick with US-05 dry yeast. You want to make sure you pitch the proper amount of yeast and ferment at the right temp to be sure the beer is clean to let the hops shine through.
Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: euge on October 05, 2011, 04:45:00 PM
I've been using Windsor dry yeast. It's a beast and a fast fermenter but finishes about 1.020. Sounds high but I'm finding this is perfect for many of my hoppier bitters. Balances it out whereas if the beer finished at 1.010 it can be a little harsh. It's not as neutral as 05 but it's still pretty clean for an ale yeast.

Title: Re: Grapefruit IPA?
Post by: tonyp on October 06, 2011, 06:37:24 AM
I posted this in the commercial review forum awhile back:

I emailed the brewmaster at Full Sail and he responded. I don't want to post the whole email exchange because i'm not sure if this was for public consumption or not, but this is a snippet:

(Hopefully he won't mind)

Pale is brewed with 2 row pale and caramel malts and
hopped with Cascades and Centennials in the front and finished
with Cascades, Centennials, and CTZ’s….(a lot in the whirlpool).