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Title: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: denny on October 12, 2011, 09:11:37 PM
Disappointing is hardly the word for it....

http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/12-extremely-disappointing-facts-about-popular-mus
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: bluesman on October 12, 2011, 09:21:01 PM
 :o

WOW!

Disappointing is being nice.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: roguenationpatriot on October 12, 2011, 09:29:45 PM
      This is a great list, it is shame that popstar have taken over the industry.  I stopped listening to the radio, or watching music television for about 8 years.  This led me to find some of the most amazing bands that never get any playtime or exposure.  Maybe it better that the true musician are underappreciated during their careers.  It probably drives them to work harder to leave a legacy with their music.

P.S.  # 12 is the best on the list.  Justin Bieber must be stopped.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: The Professor on October 12, 2011, 09:58:05 PM
Disappointing, but hardly surprising really.  And #12 sums it up pretty well.

I naturally still  listen to my old favorites from the 60's/70's...especially things I discovered during the golden days of AOR playlist free programming on the FM stations in the NYC area.

That said, there is PLENTY good music still being made by young, indie artists.  With new distribution channels opening up and the lessened importance of the "major labels" and radio airplay, there's a lot more quality stuff to be heard these days.  
My new kick has been enjoying the thriving indie and especially the  live music scene in the NY/NJ/PA  tri-state area.

So, I still love my old fart favorites (hell...I've gone to see Procol Harum more times in the last few years than I did even  "back in the day"), but there's also plenty  of  seriously good new talent out there.  
And not much of it is on the radio (radio? what's radio?)

If you're interested in some interesting observations regarding the music scene by someone long involved and who is keenly observant of the changes in the industry and how artists are affected, do a Google search for  "The Lefsetz Letter"  and subscribe.  
It's pretty fascinating reading.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: tschmidlin on October 12, 2011, 10:05:33 PM
Yeah, disappointing, but if you think about the way music is sold nowadays, it's not all that surprising.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: EHall on October 12, 2011, 10:12:22 PM
exactly... the internet age brought about a whole new way to listen/acquire music.. and the industry has always looked down on rock n roll... not diverse at all... plus I think its a left wing nutjob conspiracy!  ;)
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: tschmidlin on October 12, 2011, 10:18:45 PM
exactly... the internet age brought about a whole new way to listen/acquire music.. and the industry has always looked down on rock n roll... not diverse at all... plus I think its a left wing nutjob conspiracy!  ;)
I thought the left wing were moon bats, and the right wing were nut jobs?  Anyway, I blame the right for #1, 6, 7, 9, 10, and 12.  And I don't think #8 is really a bad thing.  And I've never heard of #2, 3, and 4, so either I'm too left or not left enough. ;)
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: Pawtucket Patriot on October 12, 2011, 10:39:52 PM
#1 reminded me of an interview I read with Scott Stapp around 2000 when he analogized his band's lack of critical acclaim with that of Zeppelin's.  He was basically saying that like Zepp, Creed wasn't appreciated by their contemporary critics, but given time...  ???  

edit: don't ask me why I was reading the interview.  I swear on everything that is good and just that I have only ever thought that band was a bunch of megalomaniacal cocksure douches.  :P
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: nicneufeld on October 13, 2011, 12:56:31 AM
I thought the left wing were moon bats, and the right wing were nut jobs? 

You are correct sir!   ;D

De gustibus non est disputandum.  I've spent the last year studying a style of music that makes all of that seem pretty "poppy" and simple, but man, Beatles and Led Zeppelin...that was good stuff.  But still, remember what was on AM radio in the 70s, or so my parents tell me...

Listened to Zep yesterday after consuming almost nothing but Hindustani classical for rather a long time, and it was pretty sweet...sort of like a fast food hamburger after eating heathily for a while...hits the spot.  That is a group with a natural groove. 

Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: majorvices on October 13, 2011, 01:44:33 AM
Regardless, that Katy Perry chick is friggin hot.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: The Professor on October 13, 2011, 02:26:19 AM
Regardless, that Katy Perry chick is friggin hot.

Gotta agree with you there... I'm not grokking the music really, but she is certainly easy on the eyes.  And her eyes are as riveting as the rest of her!

Interesting that she comes from a very strict fundamentalist background...but it seems about right. 
When I was in college in the midwest 40 years ago, seems that it was always the minister's daughters who were the wildest.
(and please...No disrespect to any group intended...'twas just an observation that anyone here who attended college might concur with.  :o   )
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: tom on October 13, 2011, 03:12:02 AM
Flo Rida?  The state?

Shania Twain is so much hotter than Katy Perry!

 :-*
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: punatic on October 13, 2011, 03:47:01 AM
In my younger days I helped a friend of mine pickup and deliver furniture to be re-upholstered.  He has a reputation in Central Florida among the very wealthy as THE guy to re-upholster your furniture.  (Yes he is very good, and discrete).

I went into some amazing homes with him.  I saw some amazingly poorly decorated and ugly homes that were worth a fortune.  My friend taught me a lot about keeping a poker face.

Words of wisdom from my friend Russell, "Having money does not mean you have taste."

I think that applies very well to this list.  Often it's not about quality, it's about being cool.  "What's the flavor of the month?"  As proof I give you ringtones...   ::)

 

(Ke$ha's got some nice 'uns!)
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: jaybeerman on October 13, 2011, 03:48:56 AM
Regardless, that Katy Perry chick is friggin hot.

This is the problem with music.  I don't care how good someone looks on the radio or on cd, etc.  If someone is nice to look at why we can’t just look at them without forcing them to sing or dance when we all know they can't.  

It would be nice if there was software that could study the way the person of your choice says each letter of the alphabet, then it could match the face of your subject with the song of your choice.  So for example you could punch in “katy perry” and “Freebird”  ;D and voila there she is singing Freebird.  That way the music people could just produce music and the good looking people could just look good.


the 12 list makes me cry
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: boulderbrewer on October 13, 2011, 05:33:20 AM
You know that all of the music is availble online is what matters. You can't be angry over other peoples choices. The true music will stand the true test of time. God help us if it is Beibier. I think the classic rock will prevail because of the nostalgic qualities. Not to mention the singers qualities. Freddy Mecury vs Bierber.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: rabid_dingo on October 13, 2011, 05:33:42 AM
I used to think the differences in music made a difference. Until YouTube taught me
that the hits are all the same song via SCP, Same Chord Progression....

Here: http://youtu.be/L4UB9WQylic (http://youtu.be/L4UB9WQylic) (kinda dry but educational)


Then someone had some fun with it here: http://youtu.be/5pidokakU4I (http://youtu.be/5pidokakU4I) (NSFW, and keep an ear open, Waltzing Matilda is thrown in briefly.) More entertaining than the other link... ;D

Edited to a link for the song titles...
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: boulderbrewer on October 13, 2011, 05:57:25 AM
Great, now I want to toss my cookies!


By the way Happy Birthday Dingo!!!
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: rabid_dingo on October 13, 2011, 06:12:22 AM
Thank you Marc.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: punatic on October 13, 2011, 08:27:08 AM
Justin Bieber = David Cassidy
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: dmtaylor on October 13, 2011, 02:04:27 PM
As with so many things in life, just because it's extremely popular doesn't mean it's really any good.  Don't ever use popularity as a basis to say something is good, ever.

I could go on to say that more than 50% of Americans are absolute dunces, but that would make me sound like the jerk that I am and might upset some people who are sure they are not dunces, even though 50% of them are.

For what it's worth, I can get past the whole popularity thing and say that I actually enjoy some of Celine Dion's and Shania Twain's music from time to time.  And the fact that they are above-average looking women doesn't hurt too much.  But for the most part, I try not to be too shallow.  I also listen to TONS of music performed by VERY UGLY MEN, if that proves anything.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: nicneufeld on October 13, 2011, 02:38:30 PM
music performed by VERY UGLY MEN

Probably my favorite genre.  I mean, look at YES, for instance.  And Led Zeppelin...Jimmy Page and Robert Plant looked like Frodo Baggins and Galadriel, respectively.  John Bonham as Gimli?
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: Slowbrew on October 13, 2011, 03:31:06 PM
This list pretty well summed up my feelings about the current pop music scene.  #12 is a classic, even my teen(and preteen) daughters hated Beiber.  My youngest, when invited to a birthday party of a friend, later found out they were going to the Beiber movie and asked if she really had to go.  She actually fell asleep during it (it's a natural defense she learned from her Dad).

My oldest listens to the classical music station in his car.  :o  And, at age 17, likes NPR.  ???  I'm pretty sure he is not statistically significant in a music survey though.

Go chaperone a grade/high school dance now days.  Except for a few songs you will swear you are back in high school in 1982.  I don't know who buys the crap produced for the Top 40 but it isn't all the kids.

Paul
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: bo on October 13, 2011, 03:57:07 PM
Justin Beiber is the man. I have all of his CD's and a couple posters. ;)
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: beersk on October 13, 2011, 06:02:09 PM
You know that all of the music is availble online is what matters. You can't be angry over other peoples choices. The true music will stand the true test of time. God help us if it is Beibier. I think the classic rock will prevail because of the nostalgic qualities. Not to mention the singers qualities. Freddy Mecury vs Bierber.

ABSOf##kINGLUTELY.  With the run of the mill musicians/singers we have today dominating the popular music scene, it's ridiculous.  There are actually kids these days who don't know who Bob Dylan is.  Really people?  So many people need an education in music these days...

Today we have Protools, a recording software that allows you to correct every off pitch note, line up drum hits that are slightly off, tune a slightly out of tune guitar, etc.  Back then, they had to actually PLAY it.  Sad.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: akr71 on October 13, 2011, 07:16:06 PM
Yeah, disappointing, but if you think about the way music is sold nowadays, it's not all that surprising.

Music is sold nowadays?  In all seriousness, it is heartening to see CD prices finally come down out of the stratosphere - I bought a Sonic Youth disc recently & only paid $12 instead of $25+.  The moronic record company policy of increasing prices to make up for lost revenue due to piracy seems to be history.  How many more folks pirated music because of their price goudging idocy is unknown though.

Please don't blame me or my countrymen & women for #12 - it makes me wretch that he was spawned here.

Edit: Ah Crap!  I had mentally blocked out that #6, #7 were foisted upon the world from my home land too, now I need a drink.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: johnf on October 13, 2011, 07:24:55 PM
There are actually kids these days who don't know who Bob Dylan is.  Really people?  So many people need an education in music these days...


Most people of advanced age can't (without cheating) tell me the most popular acts of the 1910s. If you expect people to understand the music scene that existed 40 years before they were children, it isn't just kids today that would struggle.

It's easy to draw these conclusions when you establish the things you know and like as the gold standard that everyone should know and like.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: denny on October 13, 2011, 07:26:36 PM
Most people of advanced age can't (without cheating) tell me the most popular acts of the 1910s. If you expect people to understand the music scene that existed 40 years before they were children, it isn't just kids today that would struggle.

It's easy to draw these conclusions when you establish the things you know and like as the gold standard that everyone should know and like.

(http://s7.tinypic.com/96xlkw_th.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: Slowbrew on October 13, 2011, 07:52:41 PM
There are actually kids these days who don't know who Bob Dylan is.  Really people?  So many people need an education in music these days...


Most people of advanced age can't (without cheating) tell me the most popular acts of the 1910s. If you expect people to understand the music scene that existed 40 years before they were children, it isn't just kids today that would struggle.

It's easy to draw these conclusions when you establish the things you know and like as the gold standard that everyone should know and like.

That's valid. 

I will say that there is some music in radio rotation today that I do like.  It isn't typically Top 40 stuff.  More like Saliva and Slipknot but I am kind of fond of the 40's channel on XM.

I can't count the number of times my Dad asked me how I could listen to that "crap" on the radio when I was a kid.  I've said the same thing about rap and hip-hop (I have tried, really I have!).  I just can't stand the attitude they have about people in general and women in particular. 

To each there own (and then some).

Paul
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: dannyjed on October 13, 2011, 08:02:29 PM
Bad Popular Music gives inspiration to the underground music scene.  So much material to make fun of.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: morticaixavier on October 13, 2011, 08:14:13 PM
Yeah, disappointing, but if you think about the way music is sold nowadays, it's not all that surprising.

Music is sold nowadays?  In all seriousness, it is heartening to see CD prices finally come down out of the stratosphere - I bought a Sonic Youth disc recently & only paid $12 instead of $25+.  The moronic record company policy of increasing prices to make up for lost revenue due to piracy seems to be history.  How many more folks pirated music because of their price goudging idocy is unknown though.

Please don't blame me or my countrymen & women for #12 - it makes me wretch that he was spawned here.

Edit: Ah Crap!  I had mentally blocked out that #6, #7 were foisted upon the world from my home land too, now I need a drink.

yup you folks up north have ALOT to answer for. It's alright I forgive you. even for celine.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: EHall on October 13, 2011, 08:19:25 PM
Justin Beiber is the man. I have all of his CD's and a couple posters. ;)

yea, they make great shooting targets!
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: gmac on October 13, 2011, 08:29:54 PM
Please don't blame me or my countrymen & women for #12 - it makes me wretch that he was spawned here.

Edit: Ah Crap!  I had mentally blocked out that #6, #7 were foisted upon the world from my home land too, now I need a drink.

Good job.  This way they won't get wind our our secret plan to take all their money and funnel it into Canada. 
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: jaybeerman on October 13, 2011, 08:30:51 PM
Most people of advanced age can't (without cheating) tell me the most popular acts of the 1910s. If you expect people to understand the music scene that existed 40 years before they were children, it isn't just kids today that would struggle.

It's easy to draw these conclusions when you establish the things you know and like as the gold standard that everyone should know and like.

I do agree with your last sentence.  However, there are a growing number of people that associate music with video rather than audio. The other thing that concerns me is that I see young people who actually do play an instrument, posting videos when they've "mastered" a lady gaga song on the piano.  Musical taste aside, it simply takes less talent to master a lady gaga song than it does a Zep song, which takes less talent to master than a jazz tune, which takes less talent than a classical piece, etc. (there's a clear trend here).
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: beersk on October 13, 2011, 08:58:31 PM
There are actually kids these days who don't know who Bob Dylan is.  Really people?  So many people need an education in music these days...


Most people of advanced age can't (without cheating) tell me the most popular acts of the 1910s. If you expect people to understand the music scene that existed 40 years before they were children, it isn't just kids today that would struggle.

It's easy to draw these conclusions when you establish the things you know and like as the gold standard that everyone should know and like.

Yes, BUT much of the music kids listen to these days is greatly influenced by music/artists that existed before they were born.  I think people should at least be aware of who those artists/musicians are.  I listen to mainly heavy metal, but within the last 30 years or so mainly.  Metal has been around for at least 15 years longer than that.  I don't really like a lot of the music/artists that the music I listen to was influenced by, but I am at least aware of where the music I like came from.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: nicneufeld on October 13, 2011, 10:31:12 PM
Couple o' random points...

On Bieber hatred it seems a lot like a "doth protest too much" thing many times.  I mean, its everywhere...it is the popular thing to "hate" Justin Bieber, statements to which effect are almost ubiquitous on Youtube, but seriously, from my perspective he's a kid cashing in on vapid popular music and he apparently does it well and is making a nice pile of cash out of the deal.  I salute him, even if I can't hum a single bar or name any of his tunes.  I doubt if even he really believes his is terribly exceptional music...he's just providing a product that is apparently very well received by the younger female set and is handsomely remunerated for it.  Good luck to 'im!

Also remember that when you think your music is GOOD music and lesser pop music is trash, there's always someone snobbier than you who thinks your pop trash is dull, uninspiring bilge based more on image or marketing than actual musical genius. 

I did have another point, but it has eluded me in my mockery of Bieber-bashing, which at least in the childish comments of Youtube appear to be a lame one-upsmanship where people brag about how much they think Bieber sucks.  I probably would detest his music too, but then the same goes for scads of crappy bands that think highly of themselves, that I have never forced myself to listen to.

For no particular reason at all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRL895C0fHM
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: bo on October 14, 2011, 02:37:48 AM
A person that draws/paints/sculpts is an artist, A person that plays/sings/writes music is a musician.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: beersk on October 14, 2011, 03:30:40 PM
Couple o' random points...

Also remember that when you think your music is GOOD music and lesser pop music is trash, there's always someone snobbier than you who thinks your pop trash is dull, uninspiring bilge based more on image or marketing than actual musical genius.  



I never said I thought the music I listen to is GOOD.  It's black metal...it's really not all that GOOD, but I don't just like it, I f*cking LOVE it.  It's a personal thing for me, I don't need affirmation from anyone else as to whether it's good music or not.  I like it, that's all that matters.  

Having said that, I am a musician who can appreciate all forms of music.  And Justin Beiber is uninspired crap.  Most pop music is, and anyone who is doing it solely for the money doesn't have my respect.  Where's the passion in seeking only fame, not caring what you play so long as you're rich and famous?  There is none.  There are countless examples of this throughout history that has produced mediocre garbage for the masses because the masses like dull, boring, unoffensive music like Lenny Kravitz.

Rant over.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: jaybeerman on October 14, 2011, 04:46:43 PM
Couple o' random points...

oh nic you've gone to the dark side with your justification of the new kids on the block, er, backstreet, uh, whatever the f...justin whatshisname  ;)

Justin Beiber is uninspired crap.  Most pop music is, and anyone who is doing it solely for the money doesn't have my respect.  Where's the passion in seeking only fame, not caring what you play so long as you're rich and famous?  There is none.

yep
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: bo on October 14, 2011, 05:00:11 PM
Lets all go back to a time we were Bieber's age and imagine getting paid big bucks to have young girls fall all over you. I'd take it in a minute and I think most that disagree are lying.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: tschmidlin on October 14, 2011, 05:12:54 PM
Personally, I think the masses like good music, but they are lazy and allow themselves to be force fed lame pop songs that are well marketed.  The same with the crappy but well marketed food, drink, and "news" that many people consume.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: jaybeerman on October 14, 2011, 05:16:05 PM
Lets all go back to a time we were Bieber's age and imagine getting paid big bucks to have young girls fall all over you. I'd take it in a minute and I think most that disagree are lying.

yes but we're not really talking about the kid are we? we're talking about the folks that write little johnny's songs for him  

(I hate the whole system.  To tell you the truth I don't really care one way or another about pop music or the system, until it affects my ability to find the music that I want to listen to. Which it has, or at least forced me to find alternate sources)

edit - ok i screwed that up, should have said

we're talking about the folks who hire other folks to tell the people who write little johnny's songs who are actually and most likely smart and talented what they have to write what kinds of song swill (or songs will) be popular and sell the most
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: bo on October 14, 2011, 05:28:18 PM
Lets all go back to a time we were Bieber's age and imagine getting paid big bucks to have young girls fall all over you. I'd take it in a minute and I think most that disagree are lying.

yes but we're not really talking about the kid are we? we're talking about the folks that write little johnny's songs for him  

(I hate the whole system.  To tell you the truth I don't really care one way or another about pop music or the system, until it affects my ability to find the music that I want to listen to. Which it has, or at least forced me to find alternate sources)


It's the whole package. If you were to pull the thimbdrive from my stereo, you'd see that I don't listen to anything produced today, but I can't argue with a properly marketed (legal) product that makes money. I just hope the kid turns out okay and doesn't end up in trouble, like so many young stars.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: Slowbrew on October 14, 2011, 05:44:11 PM
Personally, I think the masses like good music, but they are lazy and allow themselves to be force fed lame pop songs that are well marketed.  The same with the crappy but well marketed food, drink, and "news" that many people consume.

Very true! 

What I would give for a decent in-depth news service again. Something more than headlines and veiled (or not) advertizing.  I don't even care if it has an agenda as long the alternate view points are represented elsewhere. 

must... stop... before... I get... in... ... trouble...

Paul
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: punatic on October 14, 2011, 05:59:11 PM
How about one that objectively reports news? That would be refreshing.

I believe pop music is about being cool as a consumer.  Being seen listening to the latest cool thing.  

Being cool is all about depending on others' opinions of you for determining your own self worth.

Once you get past that, all that matters is if you are happy with yourself.  Others' opinions are irrelevant.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: beersk on October 14, 2011, 06:56:03 PM
Personally, I think the masses like good music, but they are lazy and allow themselves to be force fed lame pop songs that are well marketed.  The same with the crappy but well marketed food, drink, and "news" that many people consume.
Yes, that is certainly a possibility. 
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: nicneufeld on October 14, 2011, 07:52:28 PM
Personally, I think the masses like good music

Problem with this hypothesis is that no one can really authoritatively define what "good" music is.  One man's rubbish is another man's gold.  If you say, the masses generally like the music I consider to be good, then you've got a slightly more meaningful statement.  But someone else may have a much stricter definition of what qualifies as good in music, in which case it might be a stretch to assume the masses would like it.

I agree that there should be no concern whether music is "popular" or not.  You either like it or you don't, and all of us have different tastes in music.  There's any number of hipster bands and acts that I could (or actually could not, now that I think of it) name that feel painful for me to listen to, and basically strike me as just as musically derivative as some of the simple pop acts, except with a side of preening, smug pretension.  But I have good friends that think they are the bee's knees, the wasp's nipples, so to speak.  So slagging them off is pointless...I don't have better taste than my friends, just different taste.  There will always be pop music.  There are enough people that like it and listen to it, that I don't feel I need to!  Also, remember that when we reminisce about music of earlier years we're remembering only the best stuff that endured for decades.  All the one-hit wonders and pop bilge from the 60s and 70s that we've forgotten is a better comparison to the pop of today.  Still, I'll be the first to concede my favorite decade of rock music was from say about '66-'76.  A guitarist golden age, that.

This is somewhat random, but if you want to confuse the hell out of your brain:
http://oriental-traditional-music.blogspot.com/2011/10/musik-aus-bali-double-lp-emi-electrola.html

Side three has a 25min kecak performance, male chorus chanting/singing a drama involving strange monkey like vocalizations.  First LP has gamelan stuff.  This stuff is beyond me to actually enjoy, but it is very interesting and/or freaky.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: bo on October 14, 2011, 08:07:19 PM
When rap music started I gave it a couple of years at most. I guess I was wrong.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: beersk on October 14, 2011, 08:36:25 PM
When rap music started I gave it a couple of years at most. I guess I was wrong.
Ha, nice.  I think people said the same thing about rock n roll, heavy metal, black metal...  In the mainstream, they may be dead, but they're doing oh so well in the underground.  And I have no qualms telling anyone at anytime in a conversation about music that music in the underground is by far and away the best music being written and produced today.  No matter what scene or style you look at, the underground always produces THE best music.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: nicneufeld on October 14, 2011, 09:05:19 PM
I will say, Morlocks definitely do seem more hardcore than Eloi.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: majorvices on October 14, 2011, 09:22:15 PM
All of you are such fools. The thing you all fail to realize is that music hit it's pinical with polka and has been spiraling down hill ever since.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: bo on October 14, 2011, 09:26:54 PM
I'd definitely pick Justin Bieber over polka.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: jaybeerman on October 14, 2011, 09:34:54 PM
All of you are such fools. The thing you all fail to realize is that music hit it's pinical with polka and has been spiraling down hill ever since.

polka is alive (you can't call a pinnacle until something has died), it just went to other countries
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: gmac on October 14, 2011, 09:53:56 PM
Perhaps this is the pinnacle?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCzONPMYlUU
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: jeffy on October 14, 2011, 10:07:30 PM
Or maybe this:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW8eNWz5Huo

Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: narvin on October 14, 2011, 10:53:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ5TajZYW6Y
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: jaybeerman on October 14, 2011, 11:21:31 PM
no mariachi fans here i guess
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: thirsty on October 15, 2011, 12:38:22 AM
Interesting article I guess, but it was mostly lost on me since I almost never listen to any music made after 1983 or so.

Lady Gaga seems like a good kid tho.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: majorvices on October 15, 2011, 12:42:59 AM
no mariachi fans here i guess

I happen to love mariachi. but apparently I can't spell pinnacle.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: nicneufeld on October 15, 2011, 01:25:28 AM
no mariachi fans here i guess

I have a plate of tortilla chips and guacamole, and a chilled glass of reposado in front of me as I type, so at this point, I'd be rather down with that.  Sad that it is sort of "food music", much like German oompah band music.  In the right context its spot on.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: jaybeerman on October 15, 2011, 01:58:18 AM
I happen to love mariachi. but apparently I can't spell pinnacle.

that's ok you can tell me about polka and I'll tell you when you've misspelled pinnacle

I have a plate of tortilla chips and guacamole, and a chilled glass of reposado in front of me as I type, so at this point, I'd be rather down with that.  Sad that it is sort of "food music", much like German oompah band music.  In the right context its spot on.

I never hated polka or mariachi, but I wouldn't say that I actively pursued listening to it until a year ago or so.  Now I have a mariachi channel on pandora that I listen to with it in shuffle mode.  I seriously like brass and always have, so polka was a little bit easier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKQixllq1Xc&feature=fvst (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKQixllq1Xc&feature=fvst) ah yes...fits both mariachi and polka mood
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: euge on October 15, 2011, 06:50:50 AM
Music is just as good and inventive as it ever was. Don't listen to country much at all so that genre is unclear to me but it seems like it's all the same songs thematically as it ever was but more influenced by rock and modern culture. Now the radio tunes in rotation are all metal, hard rock, and funky pop that I listen to while driving and trippy electronic mind f*ck stuff streaming off the web at home. Haven't bought a CD in over ten years.

So I say it's never been better. Currently the main themes of pop are sex and masturbation, drugs, alcohol and dancing. What can out-do that? 8) And the tracks are reaching way back to the hot stuff from the mid-90's, when we were all munching ecstasy and dancing until the sun rose.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: punatic on October 15, 2011, 08:20:23 AM
I buy CDs as much as possible because they are not protected (you don't need to keep track of the licenses, like with downloads).  Some of the newer stuff I like is not on CDs.   :(

For you euge:

"What kind of music do you usually have here?"
"Oh we got both kinds - we got country and western!"
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSZfUnCK5qk)
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: majorvices on October 15, 2011, 12:55:32 PM
I happen to love mariachi. but apparently I can't spell pinnacle.

that's ok you can tell me about polka and I'll tell you when you've misspelled pinnacle

I have a plate of tortilla chips and guacamole, and a chilled glass of reposado in front of me as I type, so at this point, I'd be rather down with that.  Sad that it is sort of "food music", much like German oompah band music.  In the right context its spot on.

I never hated polka or mariachi, but I wouldn't say that I actively pursued listening to it until a year ago or so.  Now I have a mariachi channel on pandora that I listen to with it in shuffle mode.  I seriously like brass and always have, so polka was a little bit easier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKQixllq1Xc&feature=fvst (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKQixllq1Xc&feature=fvst) ah yes...fits both mariachi and polka mood


Interestingly enough (for me, anyway) Mariachi music was influenced by German Oom-pah (aka Volkstümliche Musik also commonly referred to as polka) in the same way that Mexican Beer was influenced by German beer due to a large contingency of German immigrants to Mexico in the 1800's.
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Post by: thirsty on October 15, 2011, 03:58:31 PM
I spent a lot of my childhood listening to polka. My dad must have had a thousand polka tapes. He spent a lot of time cruising in the motor home blasting the polka. He was also in a polka band for a while. After he died, my three brothers and I all inherited an accordion.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: punatic on October 15, 2011, 09:53:38 PM
Didn't I see him in the movie Home Alone?   :D
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: maxieboy on October 15, 2011, 10:46:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ5TajZYW6Y

Ya Rickrolled us?  :P
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: beersk on October 16, 2011, 01:14:22 AM
Music is just as good and inventive as it ever was. Don't listen to country much at all so that genre is unclear to me but it seems like it's all the same songs thematically as it ever was but more influenced by rock and modern culture. Now the radio tunes in rotation are all metal, hard rock, and funky pop that I listen to while driving and trippy electronic mind f*ck stuff streaming off the web at home. Haven't bought a CD in over ten years.



Black metal (the sh!t I listen to) is like this.  There's nothing really cutting edge these days.  And I guess it's like most genres of music: 95% of it is run of the mill sh!t.  But that other 5% is f*cking head bangin'!

Sad that you don't buy music anymore though.  I like to support the bands I'm into, they deserve it.  It's exciting, too, to go to a music store and buy a CD that looks cool, you know the impulse buy thing.  Paying for music, listening to it non-stop for a month, impulse buying, the smell of the CD booklet, reading the lyrics as you're listening to it for the first time; it's all a part of being a music lover.  I hate the digital age, it's spawned a whole generation of careless and spiritless music listeners.  And I guess the same could be said for the iPod, but I actually think that's a good idea.  It's better than carrying 100 of your favorite CD's and a clunky CD player around everywhere.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: boulderbrewer on October 16, 2011, 04:29:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ5TajZYW6Y

Ya Rickrolled us?  :P

Just saw the Family Guy where we were Rickrolled!
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: dimik on October 16, 2011, 04:42:06 AM
#12 is just horrifying indeed.

Devaluation of talent in music is exactly why I'm simultaneously delving into symphonic metal, folk metal, traditional celtic, and ancient-medieval church chants. At least those are original, carry a lot of meaning and are melodically very much related.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: denny on October 16, 2011, 04:01:36 PM
no mariachi fans here i guess

I love mariachi, klezmer, and polka!

This is fantastic....

http://youtu.be/GCu2XMTU76s
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: thirsty on October 16, 2011, 09:59:16 PM
And the modern version!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBKdOiGjqcY&feature=related
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: jaybeerman on October 17, 2011, 01:42:33 AM
I love mariachi, klezmer, and polka!

This is fantastic....

http://youtu.be/GCu2XMTU76s
And the modern version!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBKdOiGjqcY&feature=related


now we're talking denny!  love it.  you too thirsty, I like the lost shoe (late in the song)


Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: rabid_dingo on October 17, 2011, 06:43:35 AM
no mariachi fans here i guess

I have to throw this one in. Especially since the last wedding reception I attended in Mexico went well past 4:00 am when I tired out...Damn they know how to party!



http://youtu.be/7G-U82PriO0
Description says this was performed in Japan...
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: morticaixavier on October 17, 2011, 03:19:25 PM
And I guess the same could be said for the iPod, but I actually think that's a good idea.  It's better than carrying 100 of your favorite CD's and a clunky CD player around everywhere.

I read an article a coupel of years ago regarding iPods, downloads, etc. Apparently a study was performed that showed 'young' people (younger than me that is so 20's and down) actually prefer the low-fi digital sound of an MP3 to the rich full analog sound you get from an old fashioned record or even a high sample rate CD. Perhaps this has something to do with the lack of interest in highly complex musical styles.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: beersk on October 17, 2011, 03:38:01 PM
And I guess the same could be said for the iPod, but I actually think that's a good idea.  It's better than carrying 100 of your favorite CD's and a clunky CD player around everywhere.

I read an article a coupel of years ago regarding iPods, downloads, etc. Apparently a study was performed that showed 'young' people (younger than me that is so 20's and down) actually prefer the low-fi digital sound of an MP3 to the rich full analog sound you get from an old fashioned record or even a high sample rate CD. Perhaps this has something to do with the lack of interest in highly complex musical styles.
Don't doubt that one bit.  I guess either way, as long as you can connect and identify with the music, than sound quality can be compromised.  I guess people can connect and identify with gangster rap, which I don't understand why, but whatever floats your boat.  I connect more with some of the ideologies of black metal, and metal in general.  Although some of it is just plain stupid.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: beersk on October 17, 2011, 07:13:21 PM
#12 is just horrifying indeed.

Devaluation of talent in music is exactly why I'm simultaneously delving into symphonic metal, folk metal, traditional celtic, and ancient-medieval church chants. At least those are original, carry a lot of meaning and are melodically very much related.

Dmitri, check out Dimmu Borgir's Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia for symphonic metal, and anything from Finntroll.  Pretty sure you'll like Finntroll.  Also Korpiklaani.  Those last two are some good folk metal.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: nicneufeld on October 17, 2011, 08:11:07 PM
On an Indian classical music forum I engineered a blind test for another member who claimed that he could hear the detrimental effects involved with high grade MP3 compression (320kbps), vs uncompressed or lossless.  I took two CD-quality tracks, and played each back in both formats (uncompressed, 320 mp3) and while the difference was lost on my ears, he picked the right ones out!  I'm lucky I'm not blessed with such picky ears, as it lets me get away with cheaper gear and smaller hard drives!  To me quality of the recording and playback is always secondary to the quality of the music itself.  Nice to have, but only if what is being played is good enough to warrant high quality recording!  :D

Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: morticaixavier on October 17, 2011, 08:47:06 PM
On an Indian classical music forum I engineered a blind test for another member who claimed that he could hear the detrimental effects involved with high grade MP3 compression (320kbps), vs uncompressed or lossless.  I took two CD-quality tracks, and played each back in both formats (uncompressed, 320 mp3) and while the difference was lost on my ears, he picked the right ones out!  I'm lucky I'm not blessed with such picky ears, as it lets me get away with cheaper gear and smaller hard drives!  To me quality of the recording and playback is always secondary to the quality of the music itself.  Nice to have, but only if what is being played is good enough to warrant high quality recording!  :D



but is it a chicken/egg thing? assuming the quality of music has gone down hill in the last 20 years does that mean that it is okay to listen to lower quality reproductions? or are the lower quality reproductions driving people away from more complex musical tastes thus driving down the overall quality of music?
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: jaybeerman on October 17, 2011, 11:02:42 PM
Dmitri, check out Dimmu Borgir's Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia for symphonic metal, and anything from Finntroll.  Pretty sure you'll like Finntroll.  Also Korpiklaani.  Those last two are some good folk metal.

ok folks I don't care if you don't like dark metal or not, this has to be the coolest video ever.  this is Finntroll (thanks beersk)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEzuxkkGyWQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEzuxkkGyWQ)
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Post by: nicneufeld on October 18, 2011, 02:01:54 AM
The overabundance of Scandinavian metal and polka in this thread seems to call for a proportionate response from, let's say, Curtis and Bootsy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z66wVo7uNw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T62XibPMlXw
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: punatic on October 18, 2011, 04:31:50 AM
The overabundance of Scandinavian metal and polka in this thread seems to call for a proportionate response from, let's say, Curtis and Bootsy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z66wVo7uNw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T62XibPMlXw

No, I think you missed the point there nicneufeld.  The discussion is about music that sucks.   :D
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Post by: beersk on October 18, 2011, 02:28:51 PM
Dmitri, check out Dimmu Borgir's Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia for symphonic metal, and anything from Finntroll.  Pretty sure you'll like Finntroll.  Also Korpiklaani.  Those last two are some good folk metal.

ok folks I don't care if you don't like dark metal or not, this has to be the coolest video ever.  this is Finntroll (thanks beersk)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEzuxkkGyWQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEzuxkkGyWQ)

Awesome!  That is a great album.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: denny on October 18, 2011, 03:54:23 PM
The overabundance of Scandinavian metal and polka in this thread seems to call for a proportionate response from, let's say, Curtis and Bootsy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z66wVo7uNw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T62XibPMlXw

Curtis and Bootsy!!!!!
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Post by: boulderbrewer on October 21, 2011, 05:13:22 AM
The overabundance of Scandinavian metal and polka in this thread seems to call for a proportionate response from, let's say, Curtis and Bootsy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z66wVo7uNw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T62XibPMlXw

Curtis and Bootsy!!!!!

Those two videos made me feel like I was 10 years old! 
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: punatic on October 22, 2011, 07:17:27 AM
I just got done watching Jeff Beck Live at Ronnie Scott's (http://www.ronniescotts.co.uk/) on Palladia.  Damn!  Two hours of amazing music!  Nobody makes a Strat sing the way Jeff Beck does.  What amazing hand and arm strength he has to do what he does.

Is Palladia epic, awesome, music, or what?!  I love HDTV.

My Jeff Beck records are definetly going back into the rotation...
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Post by: denny on October 22, 2011, 04:04:34 PM
My Jeff Beck records are definetly going back into the rotation...

His "Guitar Shop" is one of my faves.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: jaybeerman on October 23, 2011, 12:59:36 AM
My Jeff Beck records are definetly going back into the rotation...
His "Guitar Shop" is one of my faves.

Oh man, was that the wrong thing for the two of you to say in my presence.  Could you please tell me (my appologies for being too young/stupid to know this on my own) what albums do you like of his for which reasons.  Any thoughts on the album he just put out (sounds right to me anyway)?  cheers, j
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Post by: bluesman on October 23, 2011, 01:02:24 AM
My Jeff Beck records are definetly going back into the rotation...
His "Guitar Shop" is one of my faves.

Oh man, was that the wrong thing for the two of you to say in my presence.  Could you please tell me (my appologies for being too young/stupid to know this on my own) what albums do you like of his for which reasons.  Any thoughts on the album he just put out (sounds right to me anyway)?  cheers, j

My two favorites are Wired and Blow by Blow. Beck is the shazizzle!
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: punatic on October 23, 2011, 05:40:00 AM
It's hard to choose which I like more.  His music is all so good.  But it's easy to say what my favorite Jeff Beck song is - hands down.

When Blow By Blow came out it was a perfect storm of where I was, whom I was with, what we were doing, and this song

Cause We've Ended As Lovers   (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IriEq4H1XSU)
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Post by: jaybeerman on October 23, 2011, 08:11:53 PM
My two favorites are Wired and Blow by Blow. Beck is the shazizzle!
It's hard to choose which I like more.  His music is all so good.  But it's easy to say what my favorite Jeff Beck song is - hands down.

When Blow By Blow came out it was a perfect storm of where I was, whom I was with, what we were doing, and this song

Cause We've Ended As Lovers    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IriEq4H1XSU)

Ok, I know/like that song and wouldn't have been able to name it or pin it to an album so thanks.  Blow by blow seems pretty good, I know his stuff is varied.  So far I liked diamond dust but wasn't as fond of air blower.  Listening to come dancing from wired right now...

Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: denny on October 23, 2011, 09:04:27 PM
I really like Wired and Blow by Blow for the guitar playing.  I like Guitar Shop for the integration of keyboards and drums.  It just seems much more aggressive and I love the electronics and production on it.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: nicneufeld on October 24, 2011, 01:57:50 AM
I remember listening to Blow by Blow as a teenager in my phase of working at the local library...man, the education one can glean from a decent multi-branch library's CD collection!

For some reason "Constipated Duck" remains in my head from that CD.  But Cause We've Ended, that's Beck's classic, I think.  Albeit written by someone Wonder-ful.
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: punatic on October 28, 2011, 06:54:00 AM
Python-isk voice, "And now for something completely different..."

Cool Baby! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkKNrltH0BI&feature=player_embedded)
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: jaybeerman on October 28, 2011, 07:14:41 PM
Python-isk voice, "And now for something completely different..."

Cool Baby! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkKNrltH0BI&feature=player_embedded)

Tom Jones is like children, best heard and not seen (something like that)  :)
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: punatic on October 28, 2011, 08:25:21 PM
Python-isk voice, "And now for something completely different..."

Cool Baby! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkKNrltH0BI&feature=player_embedded)

Tom Jones is like children, best heard and not seen (something like that)  :)

Yeh, well... he's Welsh.   

(He's got a great voice when he applies it properly)
Title: Re: 12 Extremely Disappointing Facts About Popular Music
Post by: nicneufeld on October 31, 2011, 01:56:14 PM
For a second I thought we were talking about Terry Jones, also Welsh (Wales being the leading supplier of the world's Joneses).  The only song of his that springs to mind is his operatic rendering of "Never Be Rude to an Arab" which is itself, a trifle rude.