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Title: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: brewmichigan on October 21, 2011, 05:14:13 PM
I just went the zymurgy page to see when it may have shipped out and the newest issue is now online!!! This is awesome, thanks AHA!
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: denny on October 21, 2011, 05:50:05 PM
It's been a long time coming, but this is the launch of Zymurgy in an electronic format.  Not to worry...the print edition will continue.
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: bluesman on October 21, 2011, 06:19:23 PM
Nice! This is good to know. It'll be nice to have this resource at our fingertips. I'm always fumbling through my magazines for recipes and the like. Now I can get it right here.
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: garyg on October 21, 2011, 06:23:03 PM
Wow, you found the eZymurgy page within minutes, maybe even seconds, of it going live.  So much for the soft launch!   ;)

We are very excited about the launch of eZymurgy.  As Denny said, it's been a long process to get here.  Initially, eZymurgy includes not just the November/December issue, but if you search or look in the archive, you will find all of the 2011 issues available.  We will be adding more back issues in 2012, plus of course all new issues will be added as they are published.  Apps for iPhone/iPad/Android will also be coming next year.

You do have to be logged in as an AHA member on HomebrewersAssociation.org to access eZymurgy.

We'll be sending out messages to all AHA members announcing eZymurgy early next week.

Cheers!
Gary
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: dbeechum on October 21, 2011, 06:30:15 PM
Woo hoo!

Glad to see it finally here. To give everyone an idea - I think we started talking about this on the Governing Committee, the year I joined the group - so about 5 years now.
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: punatic on October 21, 2011, 06:31:14 PM
Wow, you found the eZymurgy page within minutes, maybe even seconds, of it going live.  So much for the soft launch!   ;)


Very little gets past us in here.

Excellent work!  A great addition to the value of AHA membership!
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 21, 2011, 06:44:55 PM
You do have to be logged in as an AHA member on HomebrewersAssociation.org to access eZymurgy.

For some reason, my log-in won't work.

I've tried the password reset deal, and it sends me the link and still no dice...

Any recommendations?
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: Delo on October 21, 2011, 07:00:52 PM
I recently joined AHA and I've never seen a copy of Zymurgy.  I just checked out the eZymurgy...Wow...so much information....as if I'm not distracted at work already.
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: dbeechum on October 21, 2011, 07:02:39 PM
Any recommendations?

Contact 888-822-6273 or info@brewersassociation.org.
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: stevep on October 21, 2011, 07:06:11 PM



For some reason, my log-in won't work.

I've tried the password reset deal, and it sends me the link and still no dice...

Any recommendations?

Contact the member services department at info@brewersassociation.org or by phone at 303-447-0816.
They'll be able to get you all set up if you are having issues with logging in. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 21, 2011, 07:10:03 PM
Thanks.  I'll give it a try.
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: hopfenundmalz on October 21, 2011, 07:14:41 PM
This is very cool.  Just read a little.  Liked the article on German vs. American hops for Pilsners.
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: roguenationpatriot on October 21, 2011, 07:37:31 PM
Are the articles going to be downloadable and printable as well?
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: denny on October 21, 2011, 08:01:08 PM
Are the articles going to be downloadable and printable as well?

I don't know but doesn't the fact that you'll still be receiving a hard copy Zymurgy kinda make it a moot point?
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: dirk_mclargehuge on October 22, 2011, 06:58:00 PM
Are the articles going to be downloadable and printable as well?

I don't know but doesn't the fact that you'll still be receiving a hard copy Zymurgy kinda make it a moot point?
Not when I'm goofing off at work and my magazines are at home.  Shh! Don't tell my boss.  ;)
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: jarod7736 on October 24, 2011, 07:28:36 PM
I would love to be able to grab these and put the archive on my iPad.  Online access is great, but being able to have the entire archive at my fingertips on my portable device is amazing.  Make magazine does this, and it's great.  I get the digital edition before I even receive the print version.  That usually goes on a shelf to collect dust once it arrives.

Anyway, super cool, keep up the great work.
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: garyg on October 24, 2011, 08:04:32 PM
We'll be adding iPod, iPhone, iPad and Android apps for Zymurgy in 2012.
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: kgs on October 25, 2011, 12:31:34 PM
We'll be adding iPod, iPhone, iPad and Android apps for Zymurgy in 2012.

Terrific! That will really complete it. I don't need printing if I can pull up a recipe (a la Epicurious) and use it in the kitchen.
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: James Lorden on October 25, 2011, 05:22:24 PM
are back issues also available?
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: dbeechum on October 25, 2011, 05:41:01 PM
All of this year's are.

As time/money/labor is available, I believe the plan is to add previous issues.
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: Tim McManus on October 26, 2011, 12:16:12 AM
I am not a fan of eZymurgy.

I don't like Flash, and it only works with Flash.  I actually have a Flash blocker on my browser.

The sounds are annoying and completely unnecessary.  Navigation is bad as page loading times take a while (I have a 50Mb connection to the Internet, so that's not the issue).

I would have thought that rather than take a print magazine and cram it verbatim into a Flash file it would have been more advantageous and a better use of the medium to port it over to HTML instead.

I definitely won't get any value out of it.
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: bo on October 26, 2011, 12:22:45 AM
I would have picked .pdf files. East to read and downloadable. But that's just me.
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: jarod7736 on October 26, 2011, 01:15:44 PM
Why an app?  Why not just allow logged in users to download the magazine as a PDF?  As it is, I can't view the content on my iPad.  Flash is a terrible hog of CPU.  A PDF would allow the subscriber to view the content on a device even when they aren't connected to the internet. Again, i'm glad y'all are moving in this direction, and i'm just trying to give some constructive criticism.

We'll be adding iPod, iPhone, iPad and Android apps for Zymurgy in 2012.
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: richardt on October 26, 2011, 01:24:25 PM
How will errors in printing be rectified?  In particular, I'm thinking of recipe errors where the wrong units or amounts are specified.

Will the eZymurgy version leave the errors in place "warts and all" and the reader be responsible for finding corrections by reading subsequent "letters to the editor" or "corrections and omissions page" in subsequent issues?  Or will there be an edit  modification made to the original document?
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: garyg on October 27, 2011, 02:24:03 PM
How will errors in printing be rectified?  In particular, I'm thinking of recipe errors where the wrong units or amounts are specified.

Will the eZymurgy version leave the errors in place "warts and all" and the reader be responsible for finding corrections by reading subsequent "letters to the editor" or "corrections and omissions page" in subsequent issues?  Or will there be an edit  modification made to the original document?

Corrections from the 2011 editions were incorporated into the e-editions before they were posted. We'll keep that up as we add more back issues.

I am not a fan of eZymurgy.

The sounds are annoying and completely unnecessary. 

You can turn off the sounds if you go to settings.
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: Jimmy K on October 27, 2011, 02:49:26 PM
I like the ability to search all online issues.

I don't like that the search and zoom icons are very similar.
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: tygo on October 28, 2011, 02:57:05 AM
I have apparently forgotten my username/password and the automatic reset feature doesn't work.  So I'll need to email the support addy when I have time to mess around with it.
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: chris_norrick on December 21, 2011, 05:45:30 PM
I was very excited to hear of the digital version! Unfortunately the implementation leaves a lot to be desired.

I echo some of the above comments about Flash. It is simply an old and bloated technology and as soon as any tech savy person sees it in use we cringe (I also have a Flash blocker installed). I would have been very happy with a simple PDF that could be easily added to my iPad. I searched and searched the confusing interface (poor icon choices) hoping for a download button. I couldn't find one.

I went ahead decided to give the Flash interface a try and ran into problems right off the bat. The top buttons wouldn't work. The only way I could navigate was to try and grab that little page curl animation in the lower right corner and drag my mouse over the page. Cute, but terrible user interface. After five pages the pages went blank. Ugg. I give up.

Good effort to try and merge into the digital age but it simply doesn't deliver. I'm sure the publishing company sold this to you as "cutting edge". That may have been true about 4 years ago but the rest of the publishing world has already moved past this type of digital magazine including MAKE Magazine that was mentioned above. They tried this kind of locked down web only version but eventually moved on to have both a nice/usable web interface and a download PDF option. I hope you can do the same. It is the future of publishing after all.
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: denny on December 21, 2011, 07:23:15 PM
While I won't go into the Flash or not issues, I did try some of the things that you said didn't work...like the buttons at the top.  everything worked as it should.  I gather you're a tech savvy person, so maybe you can figure out why it didn't work for you.  But I can tell you that it isn't a problem with the overall format. 
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: theoman on December 22, 2011, 08:00:02 AM
Dig it! Thank you! It's pretty cool to finally be getting Zymurgy when it's released. It usually takes a significant amount of time to make its way across the ocean to me.

I agree with some of the complaints about flash and stuff, but it's waaayy better than nothing at all. I can understand the fear of having something too easily duplicated and distributed like a pdf. There are solutions out there. Give it time guys, give it time.
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: alikocho on December 22, 2011, 07:40:33 PM
Dig it! Thank you! It's pretty cool to finally be getting Zymurgy when it's released. It usually takes a significant amount of time to make its way across the ocean to me.

I agree with some of the complaints about flash and stuff, but it's waaayy better than nothing at all. I can understand the fear of having something too easily duplicated and distributed like a pdf. There are solutions out there. Give it time guys, give it time.

I agree. It takes ages for me to get Zymurgy in the UK (and sometimes it doesn't come at all), so something onnthe web is better than nothing. I'd still prefer to be able to read offline though (and as an author, I appreciate the copyright issues).
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: enso on December 27, 2011, 07:57:05 PM
I have mixed feelings about this.  As an additional benefit/feature it is great.  As a planned replacement for the print edition in the future (as was mentioned in the print article I read) I think it is not.   Please be aware folks that, yes, even in 2011 (soon 2012...) there are quite a few folks with no internet access available.  I have to drive 5 miles to the public library to use the internet and I have limited times in which to do so.  I will definitely miss the print edition when it is phased out as I am sure it will be despite the reassurances to the contrary.   :'(
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: denny on December 27, 2011, 08:06:17 PM
I live WAAAYYY out in the country.  Sometimes my internet service works great, sometimes it's not there at all.  I hear what you're saying.  Based on what I know, it's gonna be a long time before Zymurgy is electronic only.  I haven't even heard a mention of a timeline for that to happen.
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: timberati on December 29, 2011, 04:43:00 PM
I like the ability to look at the newest edition that has yet to reach this corner of the world. It's great.

My one nit pick is the little reminder at the bottom right of each page that continually moves. I know that it indicates where to turn the page, but it's annoying. I loathe animations that vie for my attention on commercial sites. Can there be an option to turn that off?

Again, it is great having this resource for members. Great job.
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: garyg on January 04, 2012, 08:11:19 PM
My one nit pick is the little reminder at the bottom right of each page that continually moves.

Thanks for pointing that out.  It should only have the animation on the cover page.  We'll get that fixed.

As for comments on downloadable versions and flash, please keep in mind that the online eZymurgy is just the first step.  We'll be adding iPod/iPhone, iPad and Android apps that will offer much better functionality for use with mobile devices.  We'll also be adding additional back issues this year, giving members access to a large archive of Zymurgy content.

Cheers!
Gary
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: Jimmy K on January 05, 2012, 01:44:39 PM
[We'll also be adding additional back issues this year, giving members access to a large archive of Zymurgy content.

That will be great!
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: theDarkSide on January 05, 2012, 01:54:37 PM
As for comments on downloadable versions and flash, please keep in mind that the online eZymurgy is just the first step.  We'll be adding iPod/iPhone, iPad and Android apps that will offer much better functionality for use with mobile devices.  We'll also be adding additional back issues this year, giving members access to a large archive of Zymurgy content.

Great!!!  Like I don't waste enough time at work already ;)

Thanks for making the AHA a great group to be a part of!!
Title: Re: Zymurgy online?!?!
Post by: brizone on February 27, 2012, 08:26:26 PM
Great stuff getting it online guys, but yes: making us use a flash-based app when the end-of-life for Flash development has already been announced is not so great.  You couldn't have seen that coming (basically three weeks after this thread was started), so it's just a very unfortunate missed conjunction on the timing.

I'm trying to go shopping later today, magazine's at home, can't print out the recipe for my shopping list.  DOH!!!  Going to have to wrap my fingers around a pen and write it down (imagine!)  If I could get that on my phone or iPad though, convenience problem is solved.  So you're definitely heading in the right direction there.

Perhaps consider HTML5 solutions if you really feel you need to keep it under lock and key...

But the REAL monetization strategy for magazines in the 21st century is in the advertising anyway, so don't get too hung up on keeping the magazine so exclusive.  The more downloads you have - eg. circulation - the more money you can make on the ads. Especially once you hit that magic number of 10,000 or higher...

cheers,
@brian