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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 15, 2015, 11:34:47 AM »
I'll bet the BN has the lowest ratio of medal winners to losers than any other club.

Haven't looked up 2015 numbers yet, but in 2014 (by my calculations, using Gambrinus scores for my math), BN (or BNA, or whatever they are) had 348 first round entries. QUAFF had ~255 first round entries in 2014 (and lost to BNA for COTY by ~6 points).

BN only had two final round medals out of 348 first round entries.

There's a reason they finish first for COTY points and last for Gambrinus.....they're accumulating first round points because they enter a metric crap ton load of entries in the first round. It's purely a numbers game.

Myself, I take great pride that in 2014 I had more final round points than BNA, and that Schoppe did the same thing this year.  :)

So, who's gonna register ASH-QUAFF-ZEALOTS-ST.PAUL as a club for next year?  8)

I'm in!  ;D

Maybe a club should only be allowed to enter it's home region.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 15, 2015, 11:30:40 AM »
"I don't recognize your bulls*** club" Clay Morrow - President SAMCRO

Disclaimer: Im a Sergeant in the BN Army (only way I will ever get the title Sergeant is to pay for it). I have not yet placed in any competition. I have not been to NHC.  There are a couple tiny clubs, each an hour from my brewery, who do not meet on days that shift work schmucks like me can go to. In the brewing club world im considered unaffiliated. The BN Army allows me to feel patched in as a Nomad of the biggest club in the world.

The BN Army continuing to win the NHC COTY is amazing and Justin ought to be flush with pride. The booing I hear about, if any of it is serious, can't be directed at the BN. There's too few of them. If every BN crew member entered every comp and medaled monthly, it wouldnt be enough points to win. Maybe you think you are booing guys like us who claim BN as their club. But in reality you are booing yourself for not getting on the competition committee and change the rules. Or not having built a homebrew infotainment empire that out numbers the BN.

Final friendly reminder. They don't keep winning because they have 100,000 guys like me who can't even place in a competition. Its not about how many mediocre brewers you have. I'll bet the BN has the lowest ratio of medal winners to losers than any other club. Suppose that someone did the study and found that the BN only had 100 brewers who won medals. Thats probably more likely that the notion that they have 50,000 who each won one third place medal. So, losers really dont matter when it comes to COTY, right? If thats so, what would it matter if the BN had a million members?

In my opinion a rules change will only create a whole new set of problems. If you "fix" the regional issue, you just eliminated everyone who doesn't live near a metropolis. (If the number of members issue is true)

Dude, you don't get it.

The BN fields more entrants. They can enter and do enter in all regions all over the country.

No other club is a virtual club/business/sponsor/whatever-they-are. BN is not the same animal. No other club can play that game and win.

I'm not sure what the fix is, but it's a pretty obviously broken system right now.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 15, 2015, 11:24:52 AM »

You may have a point here, because the rules of NHC entry have changed. Back when you could enter as many beers as you could get an entry for, a smaller club could out compete a larger club with quality. That is not the case anymore. With a 4 entry limit, I suspect a sheer number of entrants is the #1 factor for winning this award.

The dick jokes, misogyny, and general baseness is one of the reasons I don't list them as my club anymore.


Yeah, this is the problem. Under the no-limit, a smaller club like the St. Paul Homebrewers could brew and enter a crapload.

BN is not the same animal. They can field more people in more regions. It is NOT a level playing field. A regional club can't play the numbers game.


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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 15, 2015, 10:48:18 AM »
I'm sure this will be contentious, but I wanted to see how others felt about this before I send my thoughts to the AHA directly.

Also, I would have liked to see the "Final Round Club of the Year" (Gambrinus Club Award?) get equal airtime to talk on the mic at the banquet as the BN did.

Contentious or not, I think this needs to be said.

And, yes, why does Justin get to get up there and give a speech?

Either the BN is a club or a business and a sponsor.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 15, 2015, 10:37:54 AM »
...it allows folks that do not have access to a proper club claim a club.

The award is basically just "largest homebrew club" so if BN is discounted, why? They've done what they needed to become the largest club. Alternately, it's "club with an absurd number of NHC entries" and again, they've done a great job encouraging brewing competition and entering NHC, so why should they be discounted because they've been successful in that area. Congratulating that is a good thing, IMO.


Yeah, I guess that's what it has become, but it should NOT be that, in my opinion.

When the St Paul Homebrewers threepeated we were not even the largest club in the state of Minnesota. We set a goal to take on QUAFF. It took us 4 years, but we managed to do it with a lot of great LOCAL brewers, not a virtual alliance of people who don't really know one another beyond making dick jokes online.  :D

Why shouldn't other regional clubs be able to set that goal and go for it? Do we really have to form some huge alliance to take down BN just to prove a point? And what difference would that make?

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 15, 2015, 10:27:55 AM »
I was not booing, but no it was not for fun. People don't like this.

You have to think about this for a moment to realize the level of frustration for clubs that are not nationally based. They can't compete.

Even large regional clubs can barely do so. We can't in St Paul anymore. We don't have the numbers.

Also, calling the BN a club....well....yeah, there is that aspect, but isn't it also a business? Isn't someone making money off this? Seriously? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

While the BN has provided info to people, it's not the be all and end all of brewing.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 15, 2015, 10:19:16 AM »
I have no ill will toward the BN, but they are an entirely different animal. They can field entrants in every region in the country. This is not a level playing field. No regional club can make a run at the Club of the Year award.

Yeah, when the St Paul Homebrewers club threepeated we did have Gordon Strong competing with us, but we only needed his points one year to actually win it. Also, we only had one extra guy in one extra region NOT in every region in the country.

Also, when QUAFF did 6 in a row, they did have Jamil in a second region. Again, however, only 2 regions in one state. Not the same as EVERY REGION in the country.

In my opinion Club of the Year has become a joke. The award has been cheapened.

Again, I'll repeat: No rancor toward the BN, but seriously....

So we could probably form a super Midwest club or a large anit-BN club and get some great brewers on board to take on BN, which there's been talk about doing, but what would that prove or mean? It would just be the same BS.

Enough. I'm sick of the argument about the BN enabling someone who can't join a club...blah blah blah.....there's a difference between a regionally based local club where people actually have meetings and know each other personally, and a virtual club.

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Homebrew Competitions / Re: Minnesota Mash-Out Heads Up
« on: December 19, 2014, 12:53:13 PM »
We're nearly 3/4 of the way to the 1000 entry cap.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Minnesota Mash-Out Heads Up
« on: December 19, 2014, 12:52:21 PM »
We're nearly 3/4 of the way to the 1000 entry cap.

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Homebrew Competitions / Minnesota Mash-Out Heads Up
« on: December 09, 2014, 10:25:50 AM »
Year 14 of one of the biggest, most competitive homebrew comps in the country is just around the corner. Registration is earlier this year, beginning 12/12/14 and ending on 12/31/14.

Go here: http://mashout.org for more info.

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Events / Minnesota Mash-Out Heads Up
« on: December 09, 2014, 10:25:34 AM »
Year 14 of one of the biggest, most competitive homebrew comps in the country is just around the corner. Registration is earlier this year, beginning 12/12/14 and ending on 12/31/14.

Go here: http://mashout.org for more info.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Minnesota Mash-Out Heads Up
« on: December 09, 2014, 10:24:43 AM »
Year 14 of one of the biggest, most competitive homebrew comps in the country is just around the corner. Registration is earlier this year, beginning 12/12/14 and ending on 12/31/14.

Go here: http://mashout.org for more info.

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Homebrew Competitions / Re: Mash-Out 2014 Filling Up Fast
« on: January 10, 2014, 10:00:35 AM »
With a week til the deadline we're 100 entries from the cap.

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Homebrew Competitions / Mash-Out 2014 Filling Up Fast
« on: January 02, 2014, 11:41:13 AM »
The Mash-Out turns 13 this year. Yes, that's right it's become a snotty teenager hellbent on making Miley Cyrus look like Mitt Romney. It's getting a tattoo, a piercing on it's junk, and listening to music you just wouldn't understand. Jeez get a clue, people!

Right now, we're close to 3/4 full, so get pull yourself out of your new year's coma and sign up now before it's too late to enter one the nations's largest, most competitive homebrew competitions.

More info: http://mashout.org

Deadline is 1/17 and entries are capped at 1000.

And no, Mash-Out won't be taking out the trash. It's too busy texting pictures of that piercing, which may be infected.

We'll need judges too. We've had to turn away volunteers the last few years, so sign up early.

--
Steve Fletty
Mash-Out Co-founder

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Events / Re: NHC Streaming?
« on: June 29, 2013, 09:22:14 AM »
Any updates on this?

Do you need an app for this or can you watch from your computer?

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