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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Nitro
« on: Today at 09:04:25 AM »
Hear hear!  IMO, I've never had a beer that was improved by being served on nitro.

I love Obsidian and Shakespeare (as well my local favorite Snoqualmie Falls' Oatmeal) Stouts on nitro.
I really think that quality stouts (and some porters) on nitro are better than just co2 carbonated.

That said, the movement towards putting other beers on nitro doesn't do it for me.


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This sounds like a fun one -  I'm going to try to go if I can.

That reminds me that we used to have a "comp" up in the Seattle area called Homebrewfair.  It was very different from most compeittions.  The judges would be handed an entry and they'd judge it while the entrant sat in the other room. After the judges judged the beer, the entrant would come in and they'd all go over the beer and the sheets together.  It was a great learning experience for both the judges and the entrants.

I think I might talk to a few folks to resurrect this.

Steve

That sounds like a really cool format, Steve.  You should definitely come check out the Fall Classic!
We actually met last spring at the Cascade Cup, I got to judge with you and a young protégé.
Good to see you around here!

Steve

Yes, Steve, I remember it well.  It was at PostDoc -- Tom Schmidlin's new brewery.
It was great judging with you.  Hope to see you there in Portland.

You planning on going to the PNWHC in Vancouver, WA in the spring?
I just registered to give a couple judging related talks.  We'll see if they get accepted.  Should be fun, like a mini-NHC.

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Homebrew Competitions / Re: Final Round Scores
« on: July 28, 2015, 07:22:24 PM »
Scoresheets arrived. 32, my lowest Finals score yet.   :o
 Man this was really not my year!  I guess ya never know; even that slam dunk you call your best ever just might not hit the judge's palate right that day. 
...see ya in Baltimore. I plan to return to that stage!  8)

Mike-

I know you've seen it working both ways. 

This year in the 2nd round, in one of my flights was a decent beer -- I gave it a 35 or 36 or so -- solid beer, fit the style pretty well, but small imbalances/lack of intensity caused it to be a bit lacking in the "wow factor" department.  It happened to score well enough to send it on to mini-BOS.  I then judged on the mini-BOS panel, when the 2nd bottle of that entry came out.  It was night and day.  The beer ended up taking Silver for the category.  There was a VERY noticeable difference between the two bottles, and in this case, it happened to work out to the guy's advantage.  Had the steward chosen the bottles in the opposite order, the guy would have absolutely kicked butt in the flight and gotten a superb score, but would be eliminated quickly in a sea of much better contenders.

That said, I've had many other times where I've sent fantastic beers forward to BOS/mini-BOS and felt almost embarrassed to admit to the others I sent them forward after the 2nd bottle came out.

It happens a lot more often than folks would think.  The real lesson for all of us is to pay the utmost attention when bottling, to be as consistent as possible.


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This sounds like a fun one -  I'm going to try to go if I can.

That reminds me that we used to have a "comp" up in the Seattle area called Homebrewfair.  It was very different from most compeittions.  The judges would be handed an entry and they'd judge it while the entrant sat in the other room. After the judges judged the beer, the entrant would come in and they'd all go over the beer and the sheets together.  It was a great learning experience for both the judges and the entrants.

I think I might talk to a few folks to resurrect this.

Steve

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Homebrew Competitions / Re: Final Round Scores
« on: July 28, 2015, 11:56:03 AM »
Yeah, I hear you.  I'd scan the sheet and email him. The worst that can happen is he doesn't remember.
If it's Ted H, then I'll tell you he's a great guy and he I'm sure will be happy to go over it if he remembers it.  Seeing the sheet will likely jog his memory.

HTH-
Steve


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Homebrew Competitions / Re: Final Round Scores
« on: July 27, 2015, 08:56:48 PM »
Toby - the cutoff between 37 and 38 is significant.  That is where it changes from "very good" to "excellent".  In your case, it is very possible that the judge was making that distinction.  My guess is the flavor score being lower than OI probably indicated it was due to subtle stylistic character issues as opposed to drinkability factors.

I think I remember checking the "send me the recipe" box on a beer I gave a 25 before.  It was delicious but wrong for the style entered.

PS - regarding GMs evaluating your beers-
If anybody ever wants me to evaluate a beer for them, pm me.  I'm always open to that.  The caveat is that I live near Seattle so shipping can get expensive.

HTH-
Steve


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Homebrew Competitions / Re: Final Round Scores
« on: July 27, 2015, 08:30:56 PM »
I wish fewer people would re-brew after first round.  Especially bigger beers and lagers.  They just aren't ready.

ya wanna rebrew your hefe or IPA, that's cool. 

Was talking at NHC to Randy Scorby - I can't remember if it was his current Schwarzbier Gold or his previous HBOTY winner Classic Rauchbier (or maybe it was both?), that was >1 year old at the time.

Randy's HBOTY Rauchbier was closer to 2 yrs old when it won.

I actually remember judging mini-BOS with Tim Hayner on that beer 1st round (we had no idea whose it was).  A few beers stick out in your mind when you judge them and this was one of them.  The balance of toasty malt, moderate smoke, and light bitterness was absolutely perfect.  Tim and I knew that beer was something special when we sent it on as the gold winner that day.
Randy told me that when he first brewed it, it tasted really harsh, so he just threw the keg in the back and forgot about it for about a year.
That goes to show you - you really should NEVER dump a young beer.  Age it out and if it still tastes bad after a year, then throw it out.

Steve

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Dumping a batch
« on: July 27, 2015, 08:06:32 PM »
What was the recipe?  Which yeast?  You said it smelled like farts.  Sulphury beers smell like that or like eggs.  Was that what you smelled?
Was the beer clear or turbid?

Sulphur can be driven out by running CO2 backwards through your kegs.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: BJCP catagory for pilsner ale
« on: July 24, 2015, 01:03:36 PM »
It might also be a good fit for Cream Ale depending on how bitter it is.

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The Pub / Re: 10 days to exam
« on: July 20, 2015, 11:16:29 PM »
Congrats on getting a 77 first time out!  Like Mike Dixon said, a bit of judging experience and you'll likely hit your goal. My score improved dramatically after about a year of judging experience.

Also, grader and admin instructions require that proctor sheets must not be copied and distributed.
There is a lot that goes into grading an exam set, and there is more to it than what is on the proctors' sheets.  As stated, the exam admin supplies his/her notes, and the write-ups from ALL examinees are used to help determine the scoring rubric. 

Instead, I suggest you go to the BJCP site and read all of the Grader's Training materials.  Even as a new judge, it is very valuable to see first hand the what the graders are looking for.  I highly recommend it.

http://www.bjcp.org/examcenter.php
In particular, these documents are available from there:
http://www.bjcp.org/docs/LeadGrading.pdf
http://www.bjcp.org/docs/Scoring_Guide.pdf
http://www.bjcp.org/docs/BJCP_Scoresheet_Guide.pdf
http://www.bjcp.org/docs/Grading_Scoresheets.doc

HTH-

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Beer Travel / Re: San Diego
« on: July 12, 2015, 10:43:34 PM »
Societe Brewing is also close to O'Brien's pub

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All Grain Brewing / Re: Step Mashing Experiment
« on: July 12, 2015, 06:52:24 PM »
if nothing else, you should dilute your wort down and can it into mason jars using a pressure cooker so that you can use it for starters.

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All Grain Brewing / Re: 100% pils malt. Too light?
« on: July 11, 2015, 10:24:33 PM »
Franx- Good deal.  I'm sure it IS tasty.  Love me some good Pils anytime.



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All Grain Brewing / Re: 100% pils malt. Too light?
« on: July 09, 2015, 11:18:17 PM »
Frank- That looks like a chill haze to me.  You want to get the beer as cold as possible before you hit it with finings. 

Also, don't forget your whirlfloc and quick cooling from flameout to pitching temp.  The more cold break you get out at that point, the clearer your beer will be.

http://www.morebeer.com/articles/clarifying_homebrew

HTH-

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Help
« on: July 09, 2015, 11:10:47 PM »
it's really common for a beer to off-gas when the temp rises.
Warm liquid cannot hold as much dissolved gas as cold liquid can.

I'd leave your batch in for a minimum of 2 weeks, before I'd ever consider racking it, 3 is even better.
Even when the gravity stops falling, the yeast are cleaning up after themselves.
Patience rewards you with fully fermented, clean beers.

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