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The Pub / Re: Top Three: Underrated 60s/70s Rock and Blues
« on: June 05, 2016, 11:06:40 AM »
Let's get off the race and/or stealing music discussion.  You want underrated music?  How about Spooky Two by Spooky Tooth from 1969?  That's an album that still holds up.

The Pub / Re: Top Three: Underrated 60s/70s Rock and Blues
« on: June 05, 2016, 08:03:16 AM »
I knew what you meant Pete but I had to bite on that tired on argument that RPIScotty mentioned. I agree it is sad that these guys didn't get fully compensated or acknowledged for their contributions until much later. That said, they also weren't selling out 50,000 seat arenas with their folk  blues.
Yeah, I'm sure 50,000 blacks gathering together for anything in the 1920s & 30s South would have gone over real well.

The Pub / Re: Top Three: Underrated 60s/70s Rock and Blues
« on: June 04, 2016, 07:23:21 AM »
The biggest, most criminal, oversight of that era are the scores of great black musicians who invented the music and in many cases had it stolen by record companies and other musicians. While Led Zep, the Stones etc.were doing these mega tours these great artists were toiling away playing hundreds of shows a year, staying in crappy hotels, often segregated, and often working day jobs. Thankfully some white artists did come around and try to make things right by using their fame to highlight their heroes but only a few were able to really get the attention they deserve.

I have to respectfully challenge you here Pete. This is an oft-repeated and generally mis-informed interpretation of what actually went on in that era.

1.) What you say first is true: Blues musicians did have terrible contracts, terrible royalty arrangements, terrible management and did have their music outright stolen from them. What people often fail to recognize though is that this was occurring as early as the late 20s, well before the Rock and roll era. Also, music was typically reworked and appropriated by other black artists in this era. Essentially ALL of the delta blues musicians were stealing from one another.

2.) I'm not sure of what artists you're speaking of but its worth mentioning that, discounting big names like Big Bill Broonzy, Howlin' Wolf, Muddy and others from the 60s Folk Blues revival, who did very well in their era and the rock era that followed, most of the guys were in relative obscurity with a litany of interpersonal problems and alcohol issues way before the 50s/60s era. Lightning Hopkins famously was coaxed from obscurity, reluctantly I may add, by the promise of a bottle of Gin.

3.) I've said this before in conversations on the topic: I am always shocked by how overblown the claims against Zeppelin are. If people can seriously listen to "Lemon Song" and claim that they straight up copped from Wolf and the like, then they aren't listening. Stealing music is one thing. Reinterpreting it is another. Should they have paid proper homage? Yes. This may be their most egregious mistake. Claiming the songs were traditional was a dick move. Should they have to compensate these guys financially for providing them inspiration? Maybe, but they shouldn't be required too. Hell, every Delta, Piedmont, etc musician from the 20s through the 40s lifted music from one another with no change or reinterpretation and never thought twice about it.

Just my $0.02
I'm not arguing with anyone but for a different take on this, listen to Buddy Guy's "Don't Tell Me About The Blues" from 1994's "Slippin' In".

The Pub / Re: Top Three: Underrated 60s/70s Rock and Blues
« on: June 04, 2016, 07:17:41 AM »
You have to give a nod to Alexis Korner and John Mayall.  Korner was playing the blues in England before just about anyone else, very early 60s, and Mayall continued it, with a stream of sidemen that set the standard.

The Pub / Re: Best beer themed songs
« on: June 04, 2016, 05:44:11 AM »
And how could I forget Roadhouse Blues by the Doors!  Not a drinking/beer song, but it's got the second best line in rock n roll.
I'll bite...what's the best?
"When you ain't got nothing, you got nothin' to lose"
Bob Dylan, Like a Rolling Stone, 1965

The Pub / Re: Best beer themed songs
« on: June 03, 2016, 10:53:09 AM »
And how could I forget Roadhouse Blues by the Doors!  Not a drinking/beer song, but it's got the second best line in rock n roll.

The Pub / Re: Best beer themed songs
« on: June 03, 2016, 10:44:45 AM »
Where Did My Legs Go? - John Mayall
I Drink Alone - George Thorogood

All Grain Brewing / Re: Bittering with chinook question
« on: May 14, 2016, 10:17:26 AM »
Now you type this.  Just back back from LHBS with some Magnum for the APA I'm brewing this coming week.  LOL!  Well, I'm still going to use it for this batch but what would you use Magnum for?  'Cuz I will have a bunch left over!

Equipment and Software / Re: Brewing Software - Recommendations?
« on: April 19, 2016, 01:35:26 PM »
There is also Brewtarget.  It's a free program for Windows, Mac, and Linux platforms.  It's not too bad.  I've used it for a couple of years now.

Extract/Partial Mash Brewing / Re: New Coopes Kits
« on: April 12, 2016, 10:38:35 AM »
I've never had a Mr. Beer kit but I have to give them credit.  They released a beer kit from a John Chandler, owner of Paladin Brewing with the proceeds going to him.  Long story short, the guy got an aggressive form of sinus cancer while trying to open his brewery.  Link is from the Akron Beacon Journal Beer Blog.

Equipment and Software / Re: Bottling blowout
« on: April 04, 2016, 08:12:38 PM »
I've got (had?) the same capper and it was gasping its last gasp this past Thursday.  I was able to finish the batch but I was waiting for bottles to give the ultimate sacrifice!  Fortunately, they never did.  Well, one may have cracked under the pressure but the rest stood firm.  Four years old and about 70 cases of beer.  At least it lasted this long.  I just wish I could use the capper I found in my mother's basement not too long ago.  It's a rust covered cast iron bench capper but when I went to try it out, I knew it was going to shatter the bottle.  Great conversation piece, though.  The biggest irony, however, is that my mother wouldn't drink, let alone brew, a beer to save her life.

I started with 1 gallon kits.  That was too much work for not enough beer.  I quickly went to all grain 2.5 gallon batches.  This way I can brew every 2-3 weeks, and it's easier to handle.

Beer Recipes / Re: PB2
« on: March 29, 2016, 06:20:01 AM »
I've got a recipe for a peanut butter porter that called for natural peanut butter and I never really could taste the peanut butter.  I tried the recipe again not too long ago and tried something similar to PB2 in a proportion that was equal to the amount of natural peanut butter called for in the original recipe.  Still didn't taste any peanut butter.  It was a nice porter, very smooth and creamy.  The recipe I used called for the peanut butter to be added half way thru the boil and the smell at that point was fantastic.  If I do it again, I will definitely increase the peanut butter powder.  Only downside, as soon as i finished the pour, the head disappeared.

Hoppin' Frog in Akron, Ohio makes a Peanut Butter Porter with a Coffee Infusion.  An excellent beer!  The peanut butter and coffee are in just the right proportion.

Commercial Beer Reviews / Re: When "hot" breweries get stale
« on: March 16, 2016, 06:21:06 AM »

I can dig this... Great Lakes is a solid example... They once had a slim, but elite line up: Burning River pale ale, Edmund Fitzgerald porter, Commore Perry IPA, Dortmunder Gold, and Elliot Ness Amber lager... With their once prized Christmas ale.  These beers were killer. Then they lost focus on their bread and butter and ventured to different beers. These seasonals had their minute, but the staple beers' quality declined. I rarely drink a Great Lakes beer anymore unless it's my only craft choice. There is rumor that they aren't going to brew their Christmas ale this year because they got stuck with way too much left over for the last two seasons.


Great Lakes Brewing is a good example of what I was referring to about corporate layers.  I went into 2 stores on the 15th looking to get a 6 pack of their Conway's Irish Ale.  There weren't any.  I realized Great Lakes hadn't packaged enough 6 packs to last through St. Patrick's Day.  And if you're right about them being stuck with tot much Christmas Ale, it sounds like they need to look at who's in charge of production planning.

Commercial Beer Reviews / Re: When "hot" breweries get stale
« on: March 15, 2016, 05:21:41 PM »
I think it also has to do with scale and size.  When these breweries started, they were very small operations and the owners/brewers had to be hands on.  As time goes on and the operation expands, so does the responsibility to run the company and to respond to that, there is a lot more delegation.  The guy who brewed and bottled and everything else now has the job of running a much larger company and so can't do the brewing and bottling, etc.  Now he has a 'head brewer' he sees occasionally.  Sure, he's emailing the guy all the time, but it's not the same thing as standing at the kettle brewing the beer himself.  The larger the company gets, the more layers between the actual brewing and running the company.  Then expand to multiple locations.  Think Jim Koch personally supervises every batch?
More layers means more people and that can make a big difference.  A couple of years ago, I took one of my favorite seasonal beers to the brewery because it wasn't right as far as the taste, smell or color.  It was a good beer, but it was not the same beer it had been in previous years.  The PR department swore they hadn't changed the recipe.  I later found out the head brewer who had been there for several years left and this beer was one of his replacement's first brews.  Things happen.

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