Perhaps it would be enlightening to think of debates such as these in a political fashion. Consider that for most major elections over the past many years, ignoring all the small third parties, the popular vote is almost always split almost exactly 50/50 between one side or the other, and even with all the polling in the world, we can never know for sure which side is going to win. Each side also tends to think that the other side is comprised of complete idiots. So then, can one side truly be right and one side be wrong? The truth perhaps is that both sides can be both right and wrong at the same time, if we consider that there may in fact be only one universal truth: we are ALL idiots.
Moderators, please forgive the suggestion of a political discussion, and delete this post if you must. I am simply trying to illustrate a point that might be related in some fashion to this thread.
In this case, I feel, there should be no declaration of winners or losers. Neither position is perfect, and never could be, so I'm sure there's little use in trying or even in too much complaining over it. I'm as guilty as anyone else of this.