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The recipe calls for 6 lbs of dark LME. 

My first thought would be to try to track down the original all grain recipe.

Is there a way to figure out what grains and weight to replace the DME? the Recipe is here in case that helps.

You may be able to do a "pretty close" conversion if you know the composition of the dark LME.  Some manufacturers will list the composition of their DME/LME at their web site.  For Briess, that information is here: http://www.brewingwithbriess.com/Products/Extracts.htm.  My concern with this approach is that converting from all-grain to partial mash using dark DME/LME may result in a partial mash recipe that doesn't convert back to a "close enough" all-grain recipe.  As a final note, LME will have a different PPG than DME. 


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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Off The Topper Kit
« on: April 25, 2018, 11:06:52 PM »
Thanks for the help.

You're welcome.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Off The Topper Kit
« on: April 25, 2018, 08:58:44 PM »
Adding the 5 oz of corn sugar to the boil and working with the volume until it matches the OG of 1.070 I get a volume of 1.55 gals.

So the "Additional Information" section lists pre-boil OG (70) and post-boil expected volume.  Seems odd, but a  couple of additional adjectives would clear up the confusion.

Hopefully I won’t end up with a ridiculously low OG

Your post-boil OG should be higher than your pre-boil OG (same amount of sugars in the wort, but less volume).


[...] but the instructions after the boil mention sanitizing the one gallon fermentor and not to fill it higher than the one gallon mark as the yeast need room to work. So the end product is to be one gallon.

The instructions in the kit say:  "NOTE:  Make sure you do not fill the jug higher than the “ONE GALLON” raised lettering."

A one gallon carboy holds a gallon of liquid when completely full.   When filled to the raised lettering, it holds around 120 oz. 

As I suggested earlier, the recipe is targeting a end of boil volume of more than one gallon so that it's practical to transfer 120 oz of wort into the gallon carboy without bringing along "too much" hop trub. 



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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Off The Topper Kit
« on: April 25, 2018, 10:17:44 AM »
I’m wondering what the OG is for those who’ve brewed it as the numbers don’t match, and I hadn’t included the corn sugar to what I ran through the calculator which would only make it that much further apart.

So has anyone brewed this kit and can confirm the numbers?

Where are you getting 70 as the OG?  NB has recipe kit instructions online.  I did not see an OG listed in the current online instructions.

The recipe uses around 3.5 oz of hops.  With a starting volume of 1.5 gallons, I wonder if the recipe is targeting a end of boil volume of more than one gallon so that it's practical to transfer 120 oz of wort into the gallon carboy without bringing along "too much" hop trub.  However, I didn't see where the recipe listed batch size.


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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Hop stands and bitterring addition
« on: April 12, 2018, 09:58:39 PM »
A couple of additional links that may be helpful:

IBU Calculator - Diversity Methodology (FWH, Boil and Whirlpool bitterness): https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=30046.0 - this will lead you to the Zymurgy article.

An Analysis of Sub-Boiling Hop Utilization: https://alchemyoverlord.wordpress.com/2016/03/06/an-analysis-of-sub-boiling-hop-utilization/

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... how to calculate the effect of adding hops to the kettle after the mash, and 15-20 minutes before the boil is reached, and the period after the boil when the wort is above 80C/176F. ...

These two links may be helpful.

IBU Calculator - Diversity Methodology (FWH, Boil and Whirlpool bitterness): https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=30046.0

An Analysis of Sub-Boiling Hop Utilization: https://alchemyoverlord.wordpress.com/2016/03/06/an-analysis-of-sub-boiling-hop-utilization/

I haven't looked at recipe software recently (in the last year) to see if the software has "caught up" with the these models.

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Zymurgy Magazine (July 2003, July 2004) has a couple for SNPA - same malts (93% Pale, 7% crystal ); perle and cascade hops at various times (including dry hop).

If the dead "dead ringer" link is an attempt at a Two Hearted clone, Zymurgy back issues also have a couple of recipe variations.


Does the "dead ringer" link take you to a recipe?? It doesn't work for me.

I didnt try the link.

I suspect that many popular clone recipes are variations on recipes in  Zymurgy, BYO, HBT, or the CYBI recipe list.  100s of interesting recipes in those sources.

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Zymurgy Magazine (July 2003, July 2004) has a couple for SNPA - same malts (93% Pale, 7% crystal ); perle and cascade hops at various times (including dry hop).

If the dead "dead ringer" link is an attempt at a Two Hearted clone, Zymurgy back issues also have a couple of recipe variations.

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Brew-in-a-bag plus simple water adjustments (Zymurgy magazine, Nov 2015, p 34) makes it reasonable for many people to brew their first batch as an 'all-grain' recipe.

Having a strong vocabulary of aroma and flavor descriptors makes evaluating and troubleshooting beer (and the brewing process) much easier.

Having good techniques for temperature control during the mash, wort chilling, fermentation, and bottle conditioning will make a difference in both the outcome and in enjoying the process.

Initially, homebrewing will be a noticeable time commitment.  When starting out, extract-based brew days are 2-3 hours,  brew-in-a-bag (BIAB) can add 1 - 2 hours.  Over time, you will find ways to shorten the brew day.

(late addition): if the volume of information available is overwhelming, consider starting to brew your first batch by ignoring everything else except this: https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/how-to-brew/ .  After your 1st couple of batches, an AHA membership (many great recipes available to members), a single book (a number of great ones ones have been published recently) and this forum will give you access to numerous lifetimes of brewing information. 

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Beer Recipes / Re: Brown Ale recipe
« on: March 05, 2018, 11:57:02 PM »
A good path forward may be, for the next batch, to separate learning recipe design from learning partial mash. 

Recipe design is more interesting once you know how to partial mash (or BAIB). 

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Beer Recipes / Re: Brown Ale recipe
« on: March 05, 2018, 11:28:02 AM »
When creating recipes using DME/LME, there is a common recommendation to use only pilsen extract or light extract rather than use amber extract or dark extract. 

Dark DME typically contains crystal malts and chocolate malts in a blend that may (or may not) be stated.  Pilsen and light extracts are generally just 100% base malt (check the manufacturers web site to confirm this).   Muntons provides information here http://www.muntonshomebrew.com/category/canned-malt-extracts/ and Briess here http://www.brewingwithbriess.com/Products/Extracts.htm.

For the American Brown Ales that I brew, it's typically two-row malt (or light DME), a blend of C60/C80/chocolate (season to taste) and maybe some black malt (just enough to 'dial in' the color), Magnum/warrior hops for bitterness, Cascade/Centennial hops for flavor/aroma, & US-05

https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=31159.msg405242#msg405242 contains an excellent summary of how to brew extract-based beers. 



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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: IMF "International Maltiness Factor"
« on: March 05, 2018, 12:13:27 AM »
And if anyone makes a highly hopped Amber Ale, ...

Is there a special exemption for Session Red IPAs?  8)

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I listened to the latest (3/1/18: Hop Stand Temperature Experiment) episode from Basic Brewing Radio.  Refreshing to hear about their "no boil" approach to testing hop stands. 

Hopefully the world won't end if/when I mix in "Short & Shoddy: Instantpot Edition" (https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=31279.0) and some cryo hop insights (https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=31270.0).  8)

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The Pub / Re: song title game
« on: March 03, 2018, 12:25:30 PM »
Midnight Train to Georgia - Gladys Knight


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Extract/Partial Mash Brewing / Re: High original gravity reading
« on: February 11, 2018, 09:48:23 PM »
The recipe called for a three gallon partial boil, and with water (around 2 gallons) being added at the end of the boil to get to five gallons.  Based on the OG reading, it appears that all the extract is there. 

Did you take the OG reading before adding water to get to five gallons?

3 lb DME * 42 PPG => 126 gravity points
4 lb LME * 36 PPG => 140 gravity points

266 gravity points / 5 gallons => ~ 53 OG

266 gravity points / 100 OG => ~ 2 2/3 gallons water

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