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Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: February 28, 2013, 10:29:45 AM »
They should have either had cascading openings for each of the regions which could have handled the server load better

Except that anybody can enter any region, so everybody would just try to enter in the first opened region at the same time.

Limit the first day to only be open to AHA members, and that you could only enter in your home region. Then on the second day it would be open to non AHA members and you could enter any region you want.

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Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: February 28, 2013, 09:44:37 AM »
Efforts are still underway to recover from what happened.  AHA Staff is in early and leaving late.

I see all this analysis of what happened and the truth is we, the AHA, BA, and GC, have suspicions but have not yet completely followed thru on what happened, have not completed the analysis of what happened, something about being too busy correcting what went wrong. 

You cannot fix a problem until you know exactly what went wrong.  It is too early to tell. 

I am a software tester by trade and you cannot tell the cause by looking at just the User Interface, which is all our members have seen.

A promise.  We will look into what happened and take measures to ensure it does not happen again.

Last year there were issues, these were analyzed and addressed over the past year.  On a preliminary basis it looks like we have a different set of problems this year.  EVERYONE on this end do not want events/registration to roll like this.

Fred

Could you please give us some details on what type of server load testing was preformed?

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Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: February 28, 2013, 09:15:02 AM »
There are two separate issues here.  Obviously, demand has been increasing every year... all regions filled up within 3 days last year, and a few hours this year.  There has been lots of discussion on how to fix this.

The other problem is that the registration software that the AHA switched to this year is garbage.  It's unacceptable to have unqualified people hacking together technology like this.   Looking at the "company" behind it (zkdigital.com), it's some guy in Colorado who probably knows people in the beer world but lacks any technical background other than some web design skills.  You need to be licensed to do my taxes but any random guy can still write server software?  C'mon, it's 2012.

The software is actually better then anything else out there at this time. I argue that the problem was that the server it was living on wasn't scalable enough and the AHA didn't do enough testing before hand to see if it was able to handle the load. If they did they would have seen this was going to be an issue in the first place.

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Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: February 28, 2013, 09:11:55 AM »
I don't see where it's extremely exclusive.  Everyone had the same opportunity to experience 503 Service Unavailable errors as anyone else.  The brewer has to make a decision if it's important enough to take time off from work, shift their lunch hour, or call in sick to be available for the opening of registration.  Moving it to a Saturday or evening may work, but not everyone is working banker's hours, (2nd & 3rd shifts, working weekends, etc ), so you potentially exclude them.

I am against a prequalifier for the ability to enter the first round of the NHC.  That's potentially 3 brewing days for one competition depending on the style.  Now you exclude the people who try to fit a brewday in between work, kid's karate, family time, and all the other crap we save up for the weekend. 

I enjoy enter the national competition, but the rule changes proposed will exclude me from entering in the future (prequalifier, $30 entry fee, etc.)...so mission accomplished I guess.

I don't see an too much of an issue with lowering the limit to 10, but I would never enter that many anyway, so I'd hate to exclude the one who do.

I'm glad I have this in print and that I said it before it happened, but anyone who was in IT and have hosted sites that get a flood of traffic for events like this could have seen that this was going to be a disaster. Opening up all of the sites at once without some type of scalable solution to handle the traffic was a poor decision. They should have either had cascading openings for each of the regions which could have handled the server load better or they should have done better testing in the first place. Did anyone actually run a test on the system with and expected serverload of 20-30k sessions?

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Events / Re: Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: February 28, 2013, 09:07:28 AM »
The two years I was the organizer up here I heard the same type of stories from many of our BJCP judges in the area. They didn't have a beer in the contest so they didn't feel the need to give back.

I'm speechless about that kind of attitude.
me too


Same here. Good thing we have people like that running for the AHA Governing Committee...  ::)

You know, I'd really hate to call out Denny here but I never saw him at the last 2 years NHC, Slurp n Burp, Fall Classic, HOTV, Oregon State Fair, KLCC Judging competition or Septemberfest. So apparently they are already on the board....there's your rolleyes.....

Sorry Denny. I still love ya:(

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Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: February 28, 2013, 12:56:17 AM »
Well Stated but your numbers are a little off Ron
Jan 2010 17,621
Jan 2013 32,231
which is 83% Growth or 14,610 Additional Members in the 3 years since 2010. Nearly doubling. 
As Ron said, this is both exciting and challenging.  AHA Staffing has grown over this time and is continuing to grow to support our growing membership.

I can assure you that the AHA Staff and your Governing Committee planned for an uneventful and smooth registration. We wanted that more than all of you. Obviously that didn't happen.  I'll quote an official AHA release
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The AHA is deeply sorry for the problems associated with NHC registration today. The AHA worked in advance with our providers to ensure that registration would be seamless. But as we all saw, that did not result as promised or planned. We accept responsibility for today’s failures, and we apologize for the headaches.

Other than "splitting" Seattle and Portland, I think everything that has been mentioned has been discussed, and more.  Going forward everything will be on the table, again, as we look forward to next year.   After things settle we will review what happened with an eye toward next year and making next year a better experience for all.

This is the second year in a row there have been problems. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me....I'd like to think there's not going to be a fool me three times in there but with the current makeup of the boards and not much new blood in there to tackle these new problems I'm not too hopeful.

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Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: February 27, 2013, 05:44:13 PM »
I believe you that you responded and turned it down, I did not have that info.  Sorry for misstating it.  However I find it interesting that you simultaneously insist OR gets its own judging center and refuse to host it.

I get that it is annoying that the NW site fills up so fast - that happens everywhere and annoys everyone.  Your demand for two judging centers, one in Seattle, and one in Portland, is not warranted based on the membership numbers in the two states, which is the crux of your argument.  Even if it was however, this is not how judging centers are assigned.  We need people willing to organize it and sufficient judges.  Since Seattle and Portland are so close and judges travel to judge at the NHC, two judging centers would steal judges from each other.  With the recent expansion of the judging pools in these places it may be worth another look, but it's not going to happen simply because you want it to.  And if there are judging centers available that will not steal judges from each other, why would we not use those?

The competition is a huge lift and we need participation from as many people as possible.  If you choose to opt out because you don't like the way it works, that is your call.  But if you want to actually help, you could work on getting more judges in your area, and getting those that are already judges to participate whether they are able to get a beer into the competition or not.

I didn't simultaneously insist on both of those. If we had an additional judging center I would be willing to host it. Don't put words in my mouth here.

I also think your definition of "close" is a little lacking. Last time I look it was a 3.5-4  hour drive to head up to Seattle (from Portland, not counting Salem (5), Bend (7.5), Eugene (6), Medford (8) or other big regions in our state that have a big concentration of homebrewers). Add on having to pay $3.75 for gas and paying for two nights for a hotel it's not as close or as simple as you make it sound. There's a lot of judges from cities south of Portland that are willing to drive up that way, but not to Seattle. 

In the past Portland and Seattle used to split the entries. If we did this again we could easily get rid of the 750 entry limit and bump it up higher.

Also you seem to forget that 3 clubs down here in Oregon passed on hosting the NHC this year and it wasn't cause we couldn't handle it due to some "perceived" lack of judges that you seem to have. Also you make it look like I made the decision to turn the AHA down, when in fact it was a group call.

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Events / Re: Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: February 27, 2013, 04:31:48 PM »
The two years I was the organizer up here I heard the same type of stories from many of our BJCP judges in the area. They didn't have a beer in the contest so they didn't feel the need to give back.

I'm speechless about that kind of attitude.
me too

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I'm fairly certain it's all related due to frustration with the AHA in this area. I've seen these judges at other competitions in the area in which they are not entered.

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Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: February 27, 2013, 02:48:52 PM »
I'm the president of the Oregon Brew Crew and we passed on the offer to host it. I replied back to the email sent and can provide a copy if it showing that it was sent. Based on the negative experiences we've had hosting it in the past few year and based on the negative experiences that were passed on to us by members of the clubs that hosted it last time it was in our area, it was an easy call to choose not to do it.

In addition we're not going to host it until:
1) Registration problems are fixed
2) There's more money that comes to the club hosting it so we can provide food without it coming out of our club budget
3) Washington and Oregon get split up into their own regions. We're tired of our members and fellow homebrewers not being able to enter the competition because our region fills up so fast. If these people don't enter, then there's no motivation for them to show up to judge and we spend weeks and weeks begging for people to come judge.

1) The registration problems are not dealt with by the club, they are handled by the AHA. Or am I wrong about this? We are hosting the KC Regional and are not involved in the registration process until we check in bottles.
2) The AHA has approve us for something on the order of $2500 - how is this not enough to run a competition with food? I guess we'll find out, but our preliminary budget shows us with enough money for a fully catered Friday dinner, hot breakfast Saturday and hot lunch on Saturday.
3) I'm confused on this one as well. We have quite a large amount of judges in our annual comp that don't enter... hmm.

At any rate, I hope that Kansas City will be able to set up a rotating set of volunteers to keep the 1st round here.

Cheers!

1) The national registration problem needs to be fixed before we take the contest back on. This is the second year in a row it's been f'ed up. Technically the third for those of us in the northwest....

2) Interesting, that must have been increased in the last year because the info I was given was $1200.

3) See above reply. 

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Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: February 27, 2013, 02:44:59 PM »
3) Washington and Oregon get split up into their own regions. We're tired of our members and fellow homebrewers not being able to enter the competition because our region fills up so fast. If these people don't enter, then there's no motivation for them to show up to judge and we spend weeks and weeks begging for people to come judge.


you lost me here...they're not judging their own beer, so what motivation is there?

I meant by them not being able to get a beer in the competition, what's their motivation to help out with the rest of the competition? Last year I wasn't able to get a beer in, so I never felt the need to help out and planned on heading skiing that weekend instead. I only judged once the organizer started begging for judges and I did so more as a favor to him, not the NHC.

The two years I was the organizer up here I heard the same type of stories from many of our BJCP judges in the area. They didn't have a beer in the contest so they didn't feel the need to give back.

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Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: February 27, 2013, 01:37:30 PM »
PS seriously, how is Chicago not an entry location?
Seriously, there was not a volunteer to organize it.  The same goes for Portland OR, the previous organizer declined and the Oregon Brew Crew was contacted and asked to host a site and they did not respond.

I'm the president of the Oregon Brew Crew and we passed on the offer to host it. I replied back to the email sent and can provide a copy if it showing that it was sent. Based on the negative experiences we've had hosting it in the past few year and based on the negative experiences that were passed on to us by members of the clubs that hosted it last time it was in our area, it was an easy call to choose not to do it.

In addition we're not going to host it until:
1) Registration problems are fixed
2) There's more money that comes to the club hosting it so we can provide food without it coming out of our club budget
3) Washington and Oregon get split up into their own regions. We're tired of our members and fellow homebrewers not being able to enter the competition because our region fills up so fast. If these people don't enter, then there's no motivation for them to show up to judge and we spend weeks and weeks begging for people to come judge.

Most of it's outlined on my Governing Committee Bio here:
http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/pages/membership/aha-governing-committee/election/chris-hummert

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Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: February 27, 2013, 10:05:04 AM »
I've stated this on another forum and I'll repost it here. This is how I propose changing the NHC entry problem if I'm elected to the governing committee.

To fix the server overload, registration would happen for each region on a cascading basis. For example, region 1 would open up at 12pm, region 2 at 1pm, ect ect until all regions have been opened up.

In addition, on the first day of registration only AHA members could enter in their home regions. You wouldn't have someone who lives in region 1 entering their beers in region 2.

Then on the next day, we would move over to open registration. During this period non AHA members could enter, and AHA members could enter in regions in which they don't live.

We would have to do a year of this and take a very close look at the numbers before we make any rash decisions on adjusting the max number of entries per person. If regions filled up too fast then we would need to see if it was due to a few amount of people entering a lot of entries, or if there were too many people in the region already. For example the Pacific Northwest region is overcrowd with mostly homebrewers from Oregon and Washington, it's really time to split those states up and make them their own region. We have great brewers and clubs here that have boycotted the NHC because of the hassle and this has also caused many of them to let their memberships lapse.

I also have a couple of other points about the NHC on my bio page. Head over there and if you like what you see please give me your vote:
http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/pages/membership/aha-governing-committee/election/chris-hummert


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Events / Re: NHC Direct links email
« on: February 26, 2013, 02:41:53 PM »
If you're frustrated at how this years registration and how last years registration was run, I encourage you to vote for Chris Hummert for Governing Committee. Fixing the NHC is my first priority. Here's my page:

http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/pages/membership/aha-governing-committee/election/chris-hummert

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Events / Hop Madness 2012
« on: August 21, 2012, 09:56:10 PM »
Announcing:


Hop Madness 2012 is Coming!
We are 4 days away from Hopmadness. The largest gathering of home brewers and home brewing clubs in the Pacific Northwest.

To stay in touch with the latest information, please visit our Website or  Facebook page

What is Hopmadness?

Hopmadness 2012 is a celebration of hops and their role in beer. We’ve had homebrewers from all over, as far away as New York to just down the road. From brewing hop harvest ales, picking fresh hops, to touring hop farms in active harvest, homebrewers can revel in all of the madness that are hops!

We also have a video from a few years ago showing what Hop Madness is like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKfNLO36B1A

When, Where, and How?

The festival/get-together/campout is August 25-26, 2012 from noon to noon at the Rogue Farms Micro Hopyard in Independence, Oregon. Camping will be in the shady, grassy, fenced in area next to the Hop n’ Bed which is right across from the tasting room.

Tickets

Prepaid online registration: $10/person or $18/family
Onsite/day of fest: $13/person or $20/family

The family rate applies only to those who permanently live at the same address.

Judged Competitions
This year there are two competitions. They are:

   Best Damn Hoppy Beer - This one is as simple as it sounds. Make a beer, make it hoppy and make it the best damn beer there and you'll win. There's no style guidelines so your imagination is the limit.
    Peoples Choice - This beer is chosen by the people. Each Hop Madness participant is given a ticket upon registration and you want them to give you their ticket. The person with the most tickets at the end of the day wins. So set up a table near your campsite with your beer and a bucket for tickets and try to persuade people that you have the best beer there.

There will be prizes for the winners of both competitions. For more information check out our competition page.

What to bring

Bring your food, chairs, tables, tents, sleeping bags, shade (canopies) and anything else you wish to make your stay enjoyable (homebrew, sodas, etc.). Its always nice to bring some snacks to share around the camp.

It’s tradition… If you are planning to go on the hop tour please bring a homebrew or commercial beer for the hop farmers.

Events

    Hop harvest brewing: Fresh hops and water provided, bring your own brewing equipment.
    Hop tour: A tour of the active hop harvest (2pm on Sat)
    Best Damn Hoppy Beer Contest: Bring your hoppiest damn beer and enter it into the contest.
    Overnight camping: Bring a tent and cover just in case it rains (it is Oregon afterall).
    Hop Olympics: Organize a team of your fellow club members to compete for homebrewer braggingrights.

Tentative Agenda
Saturday August 25th
12:00 - Hopmadness Starts, Check-in Open
1:00 - Hop Bines arrive for picking
2:00 - Hop Farm Tour
4:00 - Judging for the Best Damn Hoppy Beer Competition
5:00 - Best Damn Hoppy Beer and Peoples choice winners announced.  Raffle follows
6:30 - Hop Olympics

Sunday August 26th
12:00 - Hopmadness Ends, Check-out and Cleanup

Sponsorships
We are still looking for shops/websites to help sponsor and donate prizes for our competitions. If you can help out  with that please email Chris Hummert at chummert@gmail.com

Questions?
If you have any questions about the event, please either:

    Respond to this Post
    Check out our FAQ's Page
    Ask via our contact form at hopmadnessfest.com
    Visit our Hop Madness Facebook page and ask a question there.


We hope to see all of you there and want to make this the best event there is!

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Events / Hop Madness 2011
« on: August 09, 2011, 10:47:29 PM »
Announcing:


Hop Madness 2011 is Coming!

We are less then a month away from Hopmadness. The largest gathering of home brewers and home brewing clubs in the Pacific Northwest.

To stay in touch with the latest information, please visit our Website or
Facebook page

What is Hopmadness?


Hopmadness 2011 is a celebration of hops and their role in beer. We’ve had homebrewers from all over, as far away as New York to just down the road. From brewing hop harvest ales, picking fresh hops, to touring hop farms in active harvest, homebrewers can revel in all of the madness that are hops!

We also have a video from a few years ago showing what Hop Madness is like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKfNLO36B1A

When, Where, and How?

The festival/get-together/campout is September 3-4, 2011 from noon to noon at the Rogue Farms Micro Hopyard in Independence, Oregon. Camping will be in the shady, grassy, fenced in area next to the Hop n’ Bed which is right across from the tasting room.

Tickets

    Prepaid online registration: $10/person or $15/family
    Onsite/day of fest: $13/person or $20/family

The family rate applies only to those who permanently live at the same address.

Judged Competitions
This year there are two competitions. They are:
   
    Best Damn Hoppy Beer - This one is as simple as it sounds. Make a beer, make it hoppy and make it the best damn beer there and you'll win. There's no style guidelines so your imagination is the limit.[/list]
       
      Peoples Choice - This beer is chosen by the people. Each Hop Madness participant is given a ticket upon registration and you want them to give you their ticket. The person with the most tickets at the end of the day wins. So set up a table near your campsite with your beer and a bucket for tickets and try to persuade people that you have the best beer there.[/list]

      There will be prizes for the winners of both competitions. For more information check out our competition page.

      What to bring

      Bring your food, chairs, tables, tents, sleeping bags, shade (canopies) and anything else you wish to make your stay enjoyable (homebrew, sodas, etc.).

      Its always nice to bring some snacks to share around the camp.

      It’s tradition… If you are planning to go on the hop tour please bring a homebrew or commercial beer for the hop farmers.

      Events

         
        Hop harvest brewing: Fresh hops and water provided, bring your own brewing equipment.
            Hop tour: A tour of the active hop harvest (2pm on Sat)
            Best Damn Hoppy Beer Contest: Bring your hoppiest damn beer and enter it into the contest.
            Overnight camping: Bring a tent and cover just in case it rains (it is Oregon afterall).
            Hop Olympics: Organize a team of your fellow club members to compete for homebrewer bragging rights.[/list]

        Tentative Agenda
        Saturday September 3rd
        12:00 - Hopmadness Starts, Check-in Open
        1:00 - Hop Bines arrive for picking
        2:00 - Hop Farm Tour
        4:00 - Judging for the Best Damn Hoppy Beer Competition
        5:00 - Best Damn Hoppy Beer and Peoples choice winners announced.  Raffle follows
        6:30 - Hop Olymipcs

        Sunday September 4th
        12:00 - Hopmadness Ends, Check-out and Cleanup

        Sponsorships
        We are still looking for shops/websites to help sponsor and donate prizes for our competitions. If you can help out with that please email Chris Hummert at chummert@gmail.com


        Questions?

        If you have any questions about the event, please either:

           
          Respond to this Post
              Check out our
        FAQ's Page
            Ask via our contact form at hopmadnessfest.com
            Visit our Hop Madness Facebook page and ask a question there.[/list]


        We hope to see all of you there and want to make this the best event there is!

        Thanks
        Chris Hummert
        Hop Madness Organizer

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