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The Pub / Re: Simplified BJCP Score Sheet
« on: July 04, 2015, 05:02:39 PM »
Wait. Are we arguing over an April Fools joke?
Sadly yes...

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I think there is a considerable risk of oxidation from dry going late. Most homebrew IPAs I drink are oxidized (maybe grin dry hopping maybe not). I agree the risk can easily be mitigated though.

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The Pub / Re: 10 Reasons Why the GABF Sucks
« on: June 30, 2015, 07:13:09 PM »
Does anyone here get upset at #2 happening at the NHC? I don't.
I agree you can pick out a beer you are familiar with.  I suppose it's a greater likelihood that could be the case with commercial beers. With homebrew I think it's much reduced unless the beer has very unique qualities or specialty ingredients.

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Kegging and Bottling / Re: Ran out of CO2
« on: June 30, 2015, 08:14:33 AM »
The other worry of course is that keg may have been leaking and that's why you're out of CO2... If that's the case the beer may be under carbed already.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: classification for beer comp
« on: June 30, 2015, 08:00:45 AM »
Sorry it was late and I was tired... Yeah the witbier would be 16E... I missed the base style.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: classification for beer comp
« on: June 29, 2015, 08:08:39 PM »
I would enter them both in specialty.  Though I would only do so if you say those ingredients are in there and you can smell/taste them.  Be descriptive of the beer.  If it's a subtle pineapple... say subtle pineapple.  It shouldn't matter but it does.  It lets the judges that think, if it has an ingredient listed it needs to be over the top, know that you're going to subtle.

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Equipment and Software / Re: Stir Plates
« on: June 29, 2015, 03:09:37 PM »
See page 7 of this thread https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg276016#msg276016
The takeaway is that Mark sees stressed, continually aerated wort as a bad thing and that a healthy pitch of the entire starter which was aerated thoroughly at the beginning and pitched at high kreusen is better.

Actually, that's an incorrect takeaway.  A stir plate provides inadequate aeration if operated at a speed low enough to prevent shear stress (perform a Google search using the terms "magnetic stirrer" and "shear stress"), and if operated at a speed high enough to add significant O2 to a culture results in shear stress being placed on the cells, which is why cultures that are stirred fast enough to create a vortex smell foul.  Physics prevents a culture in an Erlenmeyer flask from receiving O2 after it starts outgassing because gas pressure is highest at the mouth of the flask.   

With that said, stir plates and orbital shakers are completely unnecessary in a home brewery (I purchased my orbital shaker for experimental reasons).  A better investment is an O2 diffusion stone and a source of O2.   Brewing yeast cells will grow to fit their environment if given enough O2 and carbon (sugar is carbon bound to water; hence, the term carbohydrate).   Most brewing yeast cultures do not need to be stirred because viable cells naturally remain in suspension due to something known as NewFlo flocculation.  NewFlo strains do not aggregate until glucose, mannose, maltose, sucrose, and maltotriose have reached genetically set levels; hence, most brewing cultures do not need to be stirred  to keep the cells in suspension.

As I have mentioned many times before, my method is a low cost, low-tech way to produce a healthy yeast culture. I did not set out to create a low cost, low-tech method for making healthy starters.  It was a case of serendipity.  I was preparing starters using English measurements at that point in time. I made one quart starters in a 48oz glass Ocean Spray Cranberry juice bottle.  I went to make a starter and noticed that the bottle was cracked, so I decided to use a 1-gallon glass jug that I used to make mead for my starter.  Shaking until the culture was almost completely foam was the result of being strong at that point in my time due to spending my teenage and my twentysomething years in the gym.  I used the method for several years before it dawned on me why starters made in the 1-gallon jug worked better than those made in a 48oz container.  The reason is foam.  It is easier to make 1 quart of wort expand into foam in a 1 gallon container than it is in a 48oz container, and wort in gas-liquid foam form has a much higher specific area surface than wort in liquid form, which leads to increased O2 pickup.  In essence, my method is a poor man's O2 injection system.

I agree that it would be difficult for oxygen to diffuse into an Erhlenmyer once fermentation and CO2 evolution is underway. That is why I pump filtered ambient air into the flask headspace. It should be able to supply O2 and keep the headspace from becoming CO2 saturated. A large surface area of the wort is possible when the flask is only partially filled. I use either 4 or 6 Liter flasks for starters and stir fairly gently (like 60 to 100 rpm) to keep the yeast suspended.

I filter through a 0.45 micron filter and use an aquarium air pump. There is no air stone since I'm not trying to get air into the wort. The large surface area on the wort is how the oxygen is transferred. I found out through many hair-pulling events that its very difficult to manage air inputs through an air stone while avoiding foam overflows. Just pumping filtered air into the headspace solved that.
This is the same procedure I use. Never any foul smells etc.

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Homebrew Competitions / Re: BJCP Certification Thoughts
« on: June 28, 2015, 06:11:44 AM »
Groan lol

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Ingredients / Re: Grains that you don't crush
« on: June 26, 2015, 04:58:56 AM »
I would also add that while you don't need to mill flaked/rolled items doing so doesn't hurt them.

I agree that you would not want to crush rice hulls (as the hulls are already separated from the rice and you want them whole to create the filter bed)

Otherwise I'm unable to think of a grain you would not want to mill.

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Going Pro / Re: Start up funds?
« on: June 26, 2015, 04:53:35 AM »
I think I saw a how to video on this called Breaking Bad.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 25, 2015, 03:19:01 PM »

Justin said he's not taking the stage or mic for COTY again. So, that problem is solved. We can stop hammering out that detail.

Justin doesn't control the club anymore than he controlled me entering a couple beers under the club name. I wasnt asked to join, I wasnt asked to participate. 

For the sake of COTY, and under current COTY rules, the BN is a club, regardless of anyone's feelings. Otherwise we wouldn't have won five times in a row.

If you knew anything about it you would know that COTY is an albatross around the BNs neck. Justin and company were hoping to lose so the drama could be pointed elsewhere.

Clubs, real clubs, that want to be awesome clubs and expand their membership and win this award, should stop pouting and do the work to clean up their act and attract people away from things like the BN. No one was forced to choose BN as their club for COTY.

The current importance of COTY rests solely on the people who are making it a big deal. If you want other awards to matter more, spend more time talking about those awards, and when they announce COTY just sit there. Cricket cricket... and dont mention it again. Don't whine that someone else should make it less important for you.

What is this? As you read up on the latest biggest event in homebrewing, 99% of it is about how everyone got screwed out of an award, and how the booing was upseting, and the rooms sucked, and they didn't teach me enough,  and there was a moron in line for an event before AHA, etc etc. A small percentage was about how fun it was and the people are great. Come on people! This is supposed to be fun, supposed to be a hobby, supposed to be a bit of an escape from the daily grind.

Its a good thing my Dad isnt in charge. He'd just cancel the whole thing.

OK I lied... 1 more post... Only because I sent this as a PM earlier.. then it came up again..

I agree it's not against any rules.  Just the spirit of the thing.  Kind of like having a goalie in hockey that is 1500lbs and just blocks the whole net.  Yes there is no rule against the 'wall' goalie... but it would be against the spirit of the game.


Are you seriously talking "spirit of things" when you trying to get the BN disqualified as a club? The BN is a 1500# goalie that brews amazing beer.  To say we're not a club is just pure jealousy and it's the typical I didn't win so I'll whine about it and stomp my feet until I get my way.

You want to compete against the BN, I recommend you up your brewing game. Maybe listen to a few brew strong episodes.
Actually no.  I stated that I didn't see the need to change rules for what is and is not a club.  I only offered my opinion on why people hate the BN calling itself a club....

As to the 'up your brewing game' comment... BN only had 2 medals... To me it's not really relevant though.  I mean I know there are plenty of good brewers that enter under the BN and that don't.  Quality of beer and number of medals are not what my comments were directed towards.

But you do want to change the rules so the BN has a harder time winning COTY.
I would be in favour of changing the rules so it's actually a worthwhile award.  As to who wins it... I would prefer there was no BN 'club' to even be around to win it, but if there is obviously they would still be I the running for it.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 25, 2015, 03:09:12 PM »
Justin said he's not taking the stage or mic for COTY again. So, that problem is solved. We can stop hammering out that detail.

Justin doesn't control the club anymore than he controlled me entering a couple beers under the club name. I wasnt asked to join, I wasnt asked to participate. 

For the sake of COTY, and under current COTY rules, the BN is a club, regardless of anyone's feelings. Otherwise we wouldn't have won five times in a row.

If you knew anything about it you would know that COTY is an albatross around the BNs neck. Justin and company were hoping to lose so the drama could be pointed elsewhere.

Clubs, real clubs, that want to be awesome clubs and expand their membership and win this award, should stop pouting and do the work to clean up their act and attract people away from things like the BN. No one was forced to choose BN as their club for COTY.

The current importance of COTY rests solely on the people who are making it a big deal. If you want other awards to matter more, spend more time talking about those awards, and when they announce COTY just sit there. Cricket cricket... and dont mention it again. Don't whine that someone else should make it less important for you.

What is this? As you read up on the latest biggest event in homebrewing, 99% of it is about how everyone got screwed out of an award, and how the booing was upseting, and the rooms sucked, and they didn't teach me enough,  and there was a moron in line for an event before AHA, etc etc. A small percentage was about how fun it was and the people are great. Come on people! This is supposed to be fun, supposed to be a hobby, supposed to be a bit of an escape from the daily grind.

Its a good thing my Dad isnt in charge. He'd just cancel the whole thing.

OK I lied... 1 more post... Only because I sent this as a PM earlier.. then it came up again..

I agree it's not against any rules.  Just the spirit of the thing.  Kind of like having a goalie in hockey that is 1500lbs and just blocks the whole net.  Yes there is no rule against the 'wall' goalie... but it would be against the spirit of the game.


Are you seriously talking "spirit of things" when you trying to get the BN disqualified as a club? The BN is a 1500# goalie that brews amazing beer.  To say we're not a club is just pure jealousy and it's the typical I didn't win so I'll whine about it and stomp my feet until I get my way.

You want to compete against the BN, I recommend you up your brewing game. Maybe listen to a few brew strong episodes.
Actually no.  I stated that I didn't see the need to change rules for what is and is not a club.  I only offered my opinion on why people hate the BN calling itself a club....

As to the 'up your brewing game' comment... BN only had 2 medals... To me it's not really relevant though.  I mean I know there are plenty of good brewers that enter under the BN and that don't.  Quality of beer and number of medals are not what my comments were directed towards.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 25, 2015, 01:09:11 PM »
Justin said he's not taking the stage or mic for COTY again. So, that problem is solved. We can stop hammering out that detail.

Justin doesn't control the club anymore than he controlled me entering a couple beers under the club name. I wasnt asked to join, I wasnt asked to participate. 

For the sake of COTY, and under current COTY rules, the BN is a club, regardless of anyone's feelings. Otherwise we wouldn't have won five times in a row.

If you knew anything about it you would know that COTY is an albatross around the BNs neck. Justin and company were hoping to lose so the drama could be pointed elsewhere.

Clubs, real clubs, that want to be awesome clubs and expand their membership and win this award, should stop pouting and do the work to clean up their act and attract people away from things like the BN. No one was forced to choose BN as their club for COTY.

The current importance of COTY rests solely on the people who are making it a big deal. If you want other awards to matter more, spend more time talking about those awards, and when they announce COTY just sit there. Cricket cricket... and dont mention it again. Don't whine that someone else should make it less important for you.

What is this? As you read up on the latest biggest event in homebrewing, 99% of it is about how everyone got screwed out of an award, and how the booing was upseting, and the rooms sucked, and they didn't teach me enough,  and there was a moron in line for an event before AHA, etc etc. A small percentage was about how fun it was and the people are great. Come on people! This is supposed to be fun, supposed to be a hobby, supposed to be a bit of an escape from the daily grind.

Its a good thing my Dad isnt in charge. He'd just cancel the whole thing.

OK I lied... 1 more post... Only because I sent this as a PM earlier.. then it came up again..

I agree it's not against any rules.  Just the spirit of the thing.  Kind of like having a goalie in hockey that is 1500lbs and just blocks the whole net.  Yes there is no rule against the 'wall' goalie... but it would be against the spirit of the game.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: home-made off-flavor kit
« on: June 25, 2015, 12:26:29 PM »
Corona def skunks.  I've actually never had one that wasn't lightstruck...

It may be MGD you're thinking of that uses the extract and is in clear bottles...

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 25, 2015, 12:16:27 PM »

PS.  This is all opinion and I'm allowed to have them. BN is not a club.
I agree, but, if you define "club" it maybe difficult to enforce the definition.

Also, I think if the BN club organized themselves; online meetings, a board of directors, etc. they would start to be much closer to any reasonable definition of a club that could be written.
I would agree with that.  If it were an actual club with organization and structure.  But as it is (or at least how I've perceived it) it's just a bunch of people writing down they are in the same club because they listen to the same podcasts and (possibly) use the same forums.

I'm not saying there should be a rule to exclude them.  I was only bringing it up as to what I think the real reason for the 'hate' towards them winning stuff like COTY.  I think, at least for me, it's mostly because they are perceived (correctly or incorrectly) as not being a real club.  I personally feel like it's not a club in the spirit of the competition.

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Yes, everyone is allowed to have an opinion but if those in the BN Army feel like they are a club then it's a club.  Like was mentioned earlier, the sense of connection I get from the BN is just as valid as any you get from your club and I'm getting tired of trying to justify that to people that just don't like the BN winning or whatever.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on people "feeling like they are a club" making it a real club.  I have no doubt you can/do have a connection with the podcasts and even members of their forums etc... I don't see that as a club.

ok ok... No more drama for me.  This is my last post on the issue.  Since it's my last post on this... I'll also sneak this in... I felt the booing at the awards ceremony was for the AHA for allowing what is perceived (correctly or incorrectly) as a non-club to win COTY again.  Maybe I'm wrong but that's what it seemed like to me from conversations at the event itself.  The people that were on stage for BN I don't think we even a factor as the disgust was at the absurdity of the award.

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