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Homebrew Competitions / Re: Raised glass lettering on bottle?
« on: May 07, 2010, 02:02:03 PM »
Hi all,

For the record, the National Homebrew Competition no longer bans the use of embossed bottles, and that has nothing to do with competition sponsorship.  The reason there was a ban on raised lettering was because breweries using those bottles were regional, so the concept of anonymity of the entry in the competition was compromised.  As those breweries began distributing nationwide, there wasn't any reason to continue to ban the embossed bottles.

Most other competitions, however, have not yet accepted bottles with raised lettering.  You should always read each competitions rules and regulations regarding the types of bottles allowed.

Cheers,
    Janis

Janis Gross
National Homebrew Competition Director
AHA Project Coordinator
janis@brewersassociation.org
 

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Events / Re: Signup for judging NHC second round
« on: May 07, 2010, 01:20:49 PM »
Hi Joe,

Thanks for putting the links up here!

Cheers,
   Janis

Janis Gross
National Homebrew Competition Director
AHA Project Coordinator
janis@brewersassociation.org

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Events / Re: NHC Updates
« on: May 07, 2010, 01:18:35 PM »
So, I don't get it.  The ALES results were posted as of the 18th, yet the AHA is still processing them?

The suspense is killing me!

Hi guys,

I'm sorry I didn't see your Forum topic until just now.  Don't blame the Canadians for the hold up of the NHC results, just because I'm too busy to update the status.  There were a number of hold ups in the database processing for a few regions that caused the delay.  There is lot of information that needs to be processed to get the Winners List on the web site, and I'm the only person working on it.  Thanks for your patience.

Cheers,
   Janis

Janis Gross
National Homebrew Competition Director
AHA Project Coordinator
janis@brewersassociation.org

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Mini BOS
« on: May 04, 2010, 09:54:18 AM »
I was wondering what advancing to the mini BOS means in the first round

Hi Akloco,

Gail covered the concept pretty well, but I thought I'd give a little background information on the mini-BOS concept.  (Sorry I didn't see your post earlier.)

In the National Homebrew Competition, if a category has more than 10-12 entries, then it will be judged in 2 or more flights by different sets of judges.  In order to remove any personal biases of the different sets of judges involved in a category, the mini-BOS enables the top 3 entries from each flight to be evaluated by the senior ranking judge from each flight.  The mini-BOS judging does not re-score each entry, instead they evaluate each entry (without the scores) and chose the top 3 placing entries as those which best exemplify the style. Sometimes when one group of judges has a tendency to score high and another group scores their flight lower, the beers that are picked in the mini-BOS as 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place entries may not have the highest point total.  I know it's disappointing for a brewer with a score sheet matching the Maximum Score for the category to not have their entry place, but that is how it works sometimes.

Anyway, I hope this helps.

Cheers,
   Janis

Janis Gross
National Homebrew Competition Director
AHA Project Coordinator
janis@brewersassociation.org

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Homebrew Clubs / Re: New Club?
« on: May 04, 2010, 08:08:16 AM »
I went to the AHA site looking at how to etc. but it looks pretty complicated, all the go to this page then that page.  Maybe I'm looking into the wrong aspect of it as I don't want a web page etc. for the time being. 

I would just like some help getting it noticed by anyone searching this area, will the AHA let me add the club name, contact info and location to the AHA directory?

I'm hoping there are other homebrewers looking around online that might be interested in a local club.  I could use some suggestions for a name, but then maybe I should wait to see if there is any interest first?  The area has a lot of logging history, most of these towns were logging camps at one time.  The closest town is Hersey, MI... here is a name I'm kinda tossing around... Hersey Lagers... (although I've yet to brew a true lager myself.)  ::) :D   Its kinda short and doesn't say anything about homebrewing so feel free to help with a name or tweeking this one?  Man I hope this flies or I find another club close by... one or the other. 

Dean

Hi Dean,

You can certainly register your new homebrew club with the AHA using the Club Information Form link found on http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/pages/directories/find-a-club.  It's best if you choose a name for the club before registering, but it isn't required.  You could list it as "To Be Determined."

Cheers,
   Janis

Janis Gross
National Homebrew Competition Director
AHA Project Coordinator
janis@brewersassociation.org

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
« on: April 30, 2010, 12:23:23 PM »
This was the first time I entered a brewing contest, so I have a newbee question. I entered an Imperial Stout in the Northwest region and scored a 43.5 and on the cover sheet, the box that says "This beer advanced to a mini-BOS round", is checked. In the results for Northwest region, Cat 13, I did not advance, however it lists 43.5 (same score as mine) as the top score for the category. Does this mean there were multiple scores of 43.5 and I just lost out in the BOS round? I'm really bummed that I didn't make it in to the finals.

Hi Dan (?),

Thanks for entering the 2010 National Homebrew Competition!

Category 13 in the Northwest Region had 44 entries, so there were probably 4 flights.  Each flight judges and scores their entries and then pick the top 3 scoring above 30 points to advance to the mini-best of show (BOS).  In the NHC, all beers judged higher than 30 are given a T-stopper to recap the entry for the mini-BOS, and then they are stored until the mini-BOS.  During the mini-BOS, the top judges from the four flights judge the 12 beers (in this case) without looking at scores, and then they place the beers based on their merits as best exemplifying the style.  In some cases, a beer that scored very high during the initial judging, for whatever reason, will not hold up as well for the mini-BOS.  Another possibility is that the judges in your flight were scoring beers higher than the judges in the other flights, so while your beer scored well, it might not have been as good as the top 9 beers from the other flights.  Viewed this way, the mini-BOS acts as a tool to even out the judges biases in categories with a large number of entries.

I know how disappointing this end result must be for you; I had a super high-scoring mead that didn’t place in one competition.  On the one hand, I was elated with the score, and on the other it was incredibly frustrating that it didn’t even place.  I’m sure you’re experiencing something very similar.  Sorry for the news.

Cheers,
   Janis

National Homebrew Competition Director
AHA Project Coordinator
janis@brewersassociation.org


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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
« on: April 29, 2010, 02:33:32 PM »
I received two sets of scoresheets for one of my entries. I am curious - did it get two rounds of tastings (one of the score sheets says position 4 of 4 and the other says position 5 of 5). Did I get someone else's scoresheet? For the record, it was a Marzen entered in the West region. Also the entry numbers on all of my scoresheets are different from the entry numbers I see on the registration page as belonging to my beers.

Hi Skyler,

In most regions the entries are renumbered when they are checked in.  This is why the entry numbers don't match what you thought you had entered. 

Did you only have one entry in the competition?  What are the entry numbers? I can look them up for you.  E-mail is better.

Cheers,
   Janis

Janis Gross
National Homebrew Competition Director
AHA Project Coordinator

Janis@brewersassociation.org

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Is the NHC for rich people?
« on: April 29, 2010, 01:21:36 PM »
Hi Ralph,

Oh well, now that's different.  Never mind.....  LOL!

That's a good idea, and I will propose this to the AHA GC Competition Sub-committee when we meet to discuss the NHC.  The only downside to this scenario is that it basically doubles the expenses for the competition in that region.  Still, we may figure out how to make it work.  Thanks!

Cheers,
    Janis

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Is the NHC for rich people?
« on: April 29, 2010, 12:42:23 PM »
Instead of limiting the number of entries a person can enter, why not figure out a way for more entries to be handled?  From the sound of it, 750 is the maximum that can be handled at one location, so why not split the judging centers.  After all why do Belgian Beers need to be judged at the same place as American Lagers, except for logistics?  If two places can only handle 500 each, that would still provide a 33% increase in capacity.  Even if you limit the number of entries per person, as the AHA grows you'll still have to handle over 750 entries per region.
<<SNIP>>

Sorry for the book, but I don't like placing limits on competitions.  <<UNSNIP>>

Hi Ralph,
On the surface, expanding the number of regions would seem to be the easiest solution.  Unfortunately it isn't that simple.  Currently we have 10 regions that contribute 3 beers each in each of the 28 categories.  That's a potential 840 entries in the Final Round of the competition that we have to judge in one day at the National Homebrewers Conference (HBC).  For every new region created, the potential entries in the Final Round increases by 84.  Currently the Final Round judging is done on Thursday of the conference and the seminars that are offered that day are repeated on Friday and Saturday so that judges are able to attend any/all of the seminars for which they have paid.  Even with the judging innovations of the last 3 years in the Final Round, I think we'd be pushing it to get the judging done in a day if we added more regions.  Not to mention the non-trivial amount of work associated with having another First Round site to organize and manage.

Of course, it probably wouldn't be as bleak as all that, but you get the idea--it's not as easy as it looks.

Cheers,
    Janis

Janis Gross
National Homebrew Competition Director
AHA Project Coordinator
janis@brewersassociation.org
 

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
« on: April 28, 2010, 03:21:23 PM »
The WINNERS LISTS ARE POSTED!!!!!!!    ;D

Good luck everyone!

Cheers,
   Janis

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
« on: April 28, 2010, 01:57:03 PM »
Thanks for the hard work Janis.

I am sure there is short term pain this time of year with the NHC and Big Brew, but big gratification for you the night of the awards banquet.

One or two visits to my chiropractor would help tremendously in the short term.   :)

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
« on: April 28, 2010, 12:20:02 PM »
Think it's been a day since the AHA Facebook status has been updated as well.  Almost a day since only one group left to process.

It may seem like a day to you, but to me it seems like a week.   ;)

Sometimes one database is more problematic than the others, and this last one is it for this year.  To top it off, the web version of the Winners Lists will not be ready until next week.  In order to ensure you don't have to wait any longer, I am now saving all lists as downloadable PDFs, and they will be available later this afternoon.

Good luck in the competition!

Cheers,
   Janis

Janis Gross
National Homebrew Competition Director
AHA Project Coordinator
janis@brewersassociation.org

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Is the NHC for rich people?
« on: April 28, 2010, 07:59:35 AM »
Interesting topic. And as someone who tends to stay away from competitions I do still fill compelled to leave my 2 cents.

As I see it our hobby has grown a lot and it is no secret how to brew excellent beer. Most of us are very willing to share and as a result most experienced and serious home brewers can brew excellent beers. That pushes all of them into the region where it is not so much the skill as a brewer that matters but simply luck. At that point it does help to have as many entries as possible as much as it helps to buy as many lottery tickets as possible if you want to win the lottery. Just that in our case you increase your odds not only by entering more beers but also by brewing the beers as good as you can.

In the end you can definitely “buy” Ninkasi or BOS. The most extreme form is to have enough money that you can brew full time and enter in all categories. You still have to be a skilled brewer though but with the ability to brew that much the odds are definitely stacked in your favor.

And you don’t even have to brew a batch for each entry. There are a number of styles which can be created by blending. I think I could make a decent Maerzen out of a Helles and a Dark Bock, for example. Though it may not be a candidate for a medal it should still get me 30-40 points just for the cost of an entry fee. Maybe the tie breaker should not be the total number of 1st round points but the average score of 1st round points.

I think an entry cap per person is a fair approach to curb the number of entries in the future. Someone who brews a lot still has a leg up since he/she can select their entries from a larger pool. It would also be fair to keep this cap for only the first 3 weeks of the entry window. If there are still spots available after these 3 weeks they can be filled on a first come first serve basis.

Kai

Hi Kai,

Thanks for your thoughts on the NHC awards.  I'll keep these in mind when the AHA GC Competition Sub-Committee begins discussion for next year.  One thing that I don't think we'll do is to change from the First Round Points to the average scores of the First Round entries earning points.  There is enough variability of scores between flights of a category in one competition, much less from one competition to another, that I don't think that would be a meaningful way to do a tie breaker.

Keep the ideas coming!

Cheers,
   Janis

Janis Gross
National Homebrew Competition Director
AHA Project Coordinator
janis@brewersassociation.org

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Is the NHC for rich people?
« on: April 21, 2010, 09:23:40 AM »
If I'm not mistaken ( which has happened in the past, present and future ), in 2007 Jamil won Ninkasi with 3 golds and 1 bronze...just 4 beers.  And in 2008, Gordon Strong won with just 2 golds...just 2 beers.  It's all based on 2nd round winners, right?  So brew 3-4 kick ass beers and you could win Ninkasi too. 

In 2008, Gordon and another brewer both had 2 golds.  There was a tie breaker involved.  I can't remember exactly, but was it the number that advanced to the second round?

Gordon also said that in 2009, he was between jobs, and used one unemployment check for his entries. 

I entered more this year than last, as well, it is the Nationals.
It all comes down to what is it worth to you!

In 2008 the Ninkasi tie was between 5 brewers.  The tie breaker was the points from the First round of the competition.  The Ninkasi Award is given to the brewer who accumulates the most points in the Final Round with at least one entry placing in the  23 beer categories.

For the two brewers in the years you have mentioned, both had entered a significant number of brews in the competition to win the Ninkasi Award.

Cheers,
     Janis
National Homebrew Competition Director
AHA Project Coordinator
janis@brewersassociation.org

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Is the NHC for rich people?
« on: April 20, 2010, 12:56:45 PM »
Sorry I didn't respond sooner; I was traveling when you first posted.
It's great that you have a suggestion on how to improve the competition.  If you have any other ideas in this regard, please let me know, and I'll see what I can do to incorporate your suggestions.

Cheers,
   Janis

janis@brewersassociation.org

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