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Yeast and Fermentation / Re: Winter Wyeast PC Strains
« on: March 02, 2016, 12:07:25 PM »
Summary: IMO, it's a great alternative yeast for brewing mostly neutral beers while still retaining the malt AND hops.  Not great for British-style beers. IMO.

Well, that's not really what I was hoping to hear.  I'm still planning on using it in my Golden Promise ale; it just got pushed because I fractured my foot and have been on crutches the past few weeks.

Its been 4 years since ive used dry yeast. Its kind of interesting that a smack pack in 1L of oxygenated starter, pitched to 6 gallons of oxygenated wort just 8 hrs later, will be chugging along so much faster than a pack of dry yeast in 2.5 gallons of oxygenated wort.

My experience with US-05 is that it has a pretty decent lag time even if rehydrated.  It doesn't seem to have a negative impact on the beer though.

The Pub / Re: Coors being sued for not brewing all beer in CO
« on: February 29, 2016, 11:00:18 AM »
I really enjoyed touring the Coors brewery - bought some sweet Coors Light sweatbands.

Kegging and Bottling / Re: Kegging with less oxygen
« on: February 27, 2016, 08:40:02 AM »
I ferment 3-gallon batches in 5-gallon food-grade buckets.

I know it doesn't help for this batch, but have you considered fermenting in 5 gallon corny kegs?  Then you could do closed transfers under pressure to your serving keg.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: yeast starter from dry yeast
« on: February 25, 2016, 04:11:04 PM »
Below Dr. Clayton Clone states that Lallemand dry yeast has sufficient lipids for 3 to 4 growth cycles.  In theory, if you require more cells than that, you should either pitch more than one packet or add additional oxygen at some point in the fermentation (that is also touched on in the below).

To paraphrase SC again, the osmotic pressure placed on yeast cells in a high gravity wort is another reason to pitch more cells when brewing high gravity beers.  See reply #46 in this thread:

Here's some more info from Dr. Clone in response to a question concerning rehydrating but which also seems applicable to the question of making starters with dry yeast:

"We recommend that the rehydrated yeast be added to the wort within 30 minutes. We have built into each cell a large amount of glycogen and trehalose that give the yeast a burst of energy to kick off the growth cycle when it is in the wort. It is quickly used up if the yeast is rehydrated for more than 30 minutes. There is no damage done here if it is not immediatly add to the wort. You just do not get the added benefit of that sudden burst of energy."

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: yeast starter from dry yeast
« on: February 24, 2016, 06:41:42 PM »
In theory, there isn’t much point in making a starter with dry yeast for the reasons explained above: you already have a large cell count of yeast with healthy UFA and ergosterol reserves that require little or no additional oxygen on the initial pitch.

With liquid yeast, you are generally starting with a lower cell count and the cells do not have the same levels of UFA and ergosterol due to the method of propagation.  You can increase the amount of cells you are pitching by using a starter (though I don’t think you are going to see much growth pitching a full smack pack into a half liter starter). 

For some interesting information on growth, check out this blog post:

See also reply #56 in the following thread:

Then you have the choice of pitching the starter at high krausen (when UFA and ergosterol reserves are supposedly higher) or waiting until the starter ferments out, decanting, and pitching just the slurry (when reserves are supposedly lower). 

There has been a ton of discussion on these topics here recently, though perhaps not much consensus.  A good chunk of it was posted by user S. Cerevisiae.  If you search this forum for his posts using key words like “ergosterol,” “maximum cell density,” or "morphological changes" you will find a lot of information.

As an example, see reply #48 in the following:

See also reply #5 in this thread:

Beer Recipes / Re: My 1st IPA & Pale Ale and How do you 1st wort hop
« on: February 24, 2016, 02:11:16 PM »
You might consider bumping the gravity up on the rye IPA.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: yeast starter from dry yeast
« on: February 24, 2016, 12:00:52 PM »
I just want to know that if you make a starter from dry yeast, you weaken it considerably... Obviously the proof would require an experiment that I'm not willing to do personally ;)

The nice thing about dry yeast is that (paraphrasing from S. Cerevisiae and the Lallemand website) it is propagated in a manner that results in high levels of ergosterol and UFA reserves.  As such, you do not really need to aerate/oxygenate your wort on an initial pitch.  The other nice thing is that there are a lot of cells in each packet.

I think making a starter with dry yeast is less about weakening the yeast and more about just not being necessary, since you already have a good amount of fully charged cells.

Ingredients / Re: D-240
« on: February 23, 2016, 06:02:36 PM »
"Retail Availability: 1lb pouches coming in Fall 2016"

Ingredients / D-240
« on: February 23, 2016, 01:34:10 PM »

Beer Recipes / Re: Patersbier?
« on: February 23, 2016, 01:32:30 PM »
Outside the purview of the style, I've tried playing around with various darker syrups on lower gravity Belgians, but I haven't really nailed it yet.  I don't know if I'm going to pursue that any further or not.

My favorite at the moment is a pils/pale mix with evaporated cane sugar.

Beer Recipes / Re: Patersbier?
« on: February 23, 2016, 11:01:12 AM »
I see several of you use sugar for this.  What's the thinking behind that?

I really like the character that results from an expressive Belgian yeast, a dry finish, and a portion of the fermentables coming from sugar/sugar syrups.  I think it works well even on these smaller Belgian beers.


All Grain Brewing / Re: Step Mash For Kolsch...
« on: February 22, 2016, 02:59:02 PM »

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