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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 24, 2015, 03:04:08 PM »
Maybe the solution for the club/business fiasco is to change the name of the BN Club to the 'no JPs allowed club', since I think that's something that everyone can get behind! 

I'm afraid that would be every club out there! (Kidding, I love you JP)

Events / Re: NHC 2016 Location
« on: June 24, 2015, 10:42:19 AM »
Hotel probably won't be announced until January/Febuary

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 24, 2015, 10:18:33 AM »
I think the other one is - do we want to make the CotY award more dynamic, more variable and more interesting.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 24, 2015, 09:17:55 AM »
Gordon said he was in the Twin Cities for work often, and started going to the club meetings.

Oh, I know, but that was still the thing people complained about starting year 1 of St. Paul winning. Nevermind that at least by the end, they didn't need Gordon's points to win.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 24, 2015, 08:15:12 AM »
Yeah, every time we've had multiple winners there's been grumbling starting at year 2.

Face it, repeats are a common occurrence with most of the years of this award - the award was created in 1985 - 1986-1995 it went to the Sonoma Beerocrats, 2001-2006 QUAFF, 2007-2009 St. Paul, 2011-2015 TBN. So out of 30 years of the award 24 times it's gone to a repeating club that's on a long streak.

With the BN, everyone's complaining about their spread and reach. With QUAFF everyone complained that hey, how come they have Jamil who lives nowhere near the club because he's in Sacramento? With St. Paul, that's no fair, they've enlisted Gordon Strong who lives in Ohio!

It's always something.

But I'm still a fan of shaking up the award a little and making it more interesting.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 21, 2015, 09:50:31 PM »
Yes, but it's not based on the beer competition (NHC).

And kinda the point too, unless we can figure out how to make a beer competition reflect the meaning of the Radegast.

ETA - I am honestly annoyed at the notion of the Radegast being a "beauty pageant" award. The clubs who enter are working hard throughout the year and in my mind are doing a hell of a lot more for the hobby than any national beer competition. The Carolina Brewmeisters are kicking serious ass in the name of homebrewing. The Falcons are pretty damn awesome [Course, I may not be entirely fair minded about it.] I can't wait to wade through the reports, now that I'm allowed, to pull together tips and tricks for everyone's clubs.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: NHC Date...
« on: June 19, 2015, 12:00:05 AM »
It's tricky - keep it where it is - it interferes with some end of school. Move it back, you run into father's days. fun times! There's also the question of hotel availability - as you move deeper into summer, it's harder to get rooms.

Events / Re: NHC 2016 Location
« on: June 18, 2015, 08:32:10 AM »
I've been to a surprising number of those. :)

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 18, 2015, 08:30:56 AM »
I agree with your first sentence and come to the opposite conclusion.

Hence the creation of Radegast - to reward and recognize the non-competition side of "Best Club". Also, to publicize what the heck clubs are doing out there - like the Carolina Brewmeisters for raising unbelievable amounts of money for charity or the Falcons (woo) for not imploding after 40 years and still going strong.

Events / Re: NHC 2016 Location
« on: June 17, 2015, 08:31:58 AM »
When you're an organization like the AHA running an event like NHC, you can't just ignore inconvenient laws.

Particularly when we have further ongoing efforts to champion other changes to CA law. If the org just flouted the laws as they stood when it came time to testify again, it wouldn't look great to have that black mark on the record.

Events / Re: NHC 2016 Location
« on: June 16, 2015, 09:08:01 PM »
Wait... You couldn't bring homebrew to the home brewing banquet?? 

Welcome to an effect of the new CA law which requires that homebrew served at a member's festival that mixes homebrew and commercial beer have the two services clearly separated. The AHA was being strict in the implementation. I believe there was miscommunication between the AHA and the security staff because Gary did ask in the banquet that people with homebrew should just step outside the banquet area and pour their homebrew and bring it back in

Events / Re: 2015 NHC Impressions
« on: June 16, 2015, 09:04:01 AM »
NHC will need to be in Asheville soon.

Going to have to figure out where in Asheville to put 3000-4000 people and how to get them in/out since the Asheville airport is not exactly a hustling hub.

Events / Re: 2015 NHC Impressions
« on: June 16, 2015, 12:21:39 AM »
Brewers Publications may have also adopted a killing two birds with one stone approach to publishing.  The modern publications are technical enough to be used by professional brewers.  They are written more like textbooks than hobby books.

As far as I'm aware, this was absolutely the mandate on the Elements series.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: My journal of NHC 2015
« on: June 16, 2015, 12:14:57 AM »
Was this the way they set it up back in 2011 and did they do it for space reasons?

2011 was in rounds. They went to the German Beer Hall seating to have enough space for everyone according to Gary.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 16, 2015, 12:12:34 AM »
You know of all the years that I had to miss the AHA Members meeting - it was probably a good thing. I got the report afterwards and I can safely say that I know of no one on the GC that wasn't horrified at the story.

What was said was so far beyond the pale of anything that has ever slipped the surly tongues of any of the BN hosts. Of course, when you've modeled your schtick on Stern, you're going to get the same crappy response as some of Stern's fans.

On Justin's usefulness as a GC member - he's been pretty damn valuable and is a helluva lot more thoughtful than I think people would give him credit for.

On the subject of the BN as a Club or Not-A-Club - the question all hinges on how you want to define it. What's the minimum number of meetings? What's the threshold that one needs to cross. I don't know. I do know that the BN serves as a damn good feeder source for a great many homebrew clubs and the AHA out there. They've been an awfully fine gateway "drug" for getting folks hooked into the idea of being involved with a group.(Even with all the juvenalia)

Lots of different ideas tossed about with regards to levelling the playing field - without being grossly targeting. My one thought was to set the 1st round points on a per-capita basis levelling with 2nd round medals staying flat rate. E.g. the BN has 300 entries and places 100 points worth of medals earns them 30 points where QUAFF placing 80 points with 200 medals earns them 32 points and Joe's Homebrew Shack places 40 points with 35 entries earns them 46 points. After that in the second round, medals get added on a per medal basis (e.g 6 for each gold, 4 for silver,2 for bronze).

Or my personal favorite is reset the award importance and rename CotY to the AHA Habonde Club of the Year (or some such) for the most profligate brewers.

And to the yeasty one's point, when I gave my intro to the Radegast, I explained the rationale as one where competition just isn't the reason for being in a club or being a homebrewer for the vast majority of folks, so we wanted a way to recognize what is the important stuff to most of us.

Having said that, the competition is something people like and I think it will always be part of the convention because it's the one time you can gather that many judges together to handle the workload of the second round in one day.

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