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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 29, 2014, 08:52:00 AM »
Naw that's a Krapfen.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 29, 2014, 07:10:10 AM »
Maibock, Helles, Doppelbock, Eisbock are all spelled the German way. I don't see anyone calling their beer a Maybock or a Light or a Double Bock (just kidding on the last one, http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/35/47785/)

Edit: and apparently there are "May Bocks" as well: http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/maritime-pacific-maybock/19207/

So, I don't know what my point is. But I like Jim's suggestion of Colognesh. Maybe Cologner?

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 29, 2014, 06:29:58 AM »
But this is American language which is unique and has no need for any sort of pretensions. Kolsch. Pronounced exactly as spelled.

Except the BJCP, World Beer Cup, and GABF disagree. Those are about as close as we'll get to "authorities" on beer styles in the US. As soon as they agree with you, or it gets into an English dictionary, I'll start spelling it "Kolsch."

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 28, 2014, 11:59:02 AM »
You can see I only had 2 years of high school German....

I only had 3 years of high school German, if that makes you feel any better.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 28, 2014, 11:08:53 AM »
Das wurst im meine hosen ist gross

"Das Würstchen in meine Hosen ist groß."

FTFY

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 28, 2014, 09:25:38 AM »
I guess I've also been pronouncing Mötley Crüe wrong  :)

Apparently when the band first visited Germany, they were surprised to hear everyone pronounce it properly. I guess they thought the umlauts were purely decorative?

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 28, 2014, 09:10:33 AM »
@ dkfick - it's more transliteration than translation.

@ Jeff -Wërks is indeed gibberish. I really hate the random, "we think this sounds Euro" umlaut. Unless you're Mötley Crüe or Spın̈al Tap, then you get a pass.


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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 28, 2014, 07:24:14 AM »
English has lots of loan words. Once a word gets in the dictionary, I'm fine with Anglicized spellings. For instance, "resume" and "entrepreneur" don't need the accent aigu. There comes a point where the language changes before the dictionary does, but I don't think we're there yet with "Kolsch." It seems like most beer books, style guides, etc. use the proper German spelling still.

@ Dkfick - the "e after vowel if you can't write the umlaut" rule is a German rule, not an English rule, afaik. I believe the "proper" notation in English also involves italicizing foreign words, but that doesn't seem common anymore.

Language changes over time and all that, but I'm not ready to give up on spelling yet.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 27, 2014, 12:47:38 PM »
Im still tryiing to figure out how Curl sounds without the R... I'm thinkng it would be just cl, like clam without the am.

Pronunciations vary a bit by region, but here are some examples:
http://www.forvo.com/word/kölsch/#de

The pronunciation from Thonatas is the closest to how it sounds in the local dialect. The lady from Switzerland has a weird accent, but Swiss German in general is a lot different from High German.

The vowel sound is the same as the e in "le" in French, which is also hard for English speakers to pronounce properly. U and ü are really difficult to differentiate as well. My German has gotten a lot better since I've been here, but there have been a lot of times I've said something and people thought I said something else. For instance, "Juni" and "Uni" are two different words, as are "Trauben" and "traben."

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 27, 2014, 11:54:48 AM »
I've been taught that if you can't make an umlaut, the the correct spelling would be with an "e".  It's not difficult.

You sir, are 100% correct. Apparently web addresses don't support umlauts, so pretty much the only time you see the vowel+e format here is for websites.

What language uses ë or ï? Never saw those in German.

ë and ï I've seen in French, and apparently it's also used in Dutch, and some eastern European/west Asian languages.

Edit: oops, Eric beat me to it.

I know it seems like a pretty nit-picky thing, but if I met a Chinese guy who said "I love drinking Cars Banquet, it's my favorite beer." I'd probably tell him "Naw dog, it's spelled 'Coors.' Also, drink better beer."

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 27, 2014, 07:47:35 AM »
I don't think that is a fair assessment. I'm not going over to Europe wearing my 'merican flag ball cap and going to eat at McDonalds and complaining when people don't speak English. I just don't know how to make an umlaut on my computer. So chill the hell out with your aspersions.

Well, I don't think it's an aspersion, more an observation based upon what you actually said, which was:

I realize there is supposed to be an umlaut but I personally don't care and I think it looks stupid . . . so suck it up and deal with it. KOLSCH!

Which to me, sounds like "I realize (I spelled it wrong), but I think (the proper spelling of German words) looks stupid, so suck it up and deal with (my improper spelling.) KOLSCH!"

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 27, 2014, 07:24:48 AM »
I realize there is supposed to be an umlaut but I personally don't care and I think it looks stupid (and pedantic) with the "e" after the "o" and I'm not about to try to figure out how to do the umlaut on my keyboard so suck it up and deal with it. KOLSCH!

God bless America! That attitude is exactly why people are so surprised I'm here. Everyone thinks Americans know best, in every situation, and don't care what anyone else thinks about anything.

I've also seen one of only two other Americans I've met here arguing with a German about who the president of Germany is. (Hint: It's Joachim Gauck, not Angela Merkel.)

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 26, 2014, 11:45:59 PM »
I did not know that - I appreciate the correction with the spelling and pronunciation (but there are many using the "no e" spelling, including Reissdorf)   

Um, what? Reissdorf definitely spells Kölsch with an o-umlaut. If you can't make that letter, for instance if you have an English keyboard, the proper way to make umlauts is to put an e after the vowel that's supposed to have the umlaut.


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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 26, 2014, 10:47:46 AM »
Also also, it's spelled "Koelsch" or "Kölsch." It's a close-mid front rounded vowel. It's like the vowel sound in "bird." It's not "coal-sh," more like "curl-sh," minus the "r." If you ever make it over here, the proper pronunciation will make your life a whole lot easier.   

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 26, 2014, 10:30:23 AM »
I hate Stangen. Gimme a Hoibe, or gtfo.

Also, it's spelled "Stange." See, I can be pedantic in two different languages now!

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