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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 28, 2014, 11:08:53 AM »
Das wurst im meine hosen ist gross

"Das Würstchen in meine Hosen ist groß."

FTFY

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 28, 2014, 09:25:38 AM »
I guess I've also been pronouncing Mötley Crüe wrong  :)

Apparently when the band first visited Germany, they were surprised to hear everyone pronounce it properly. I guess they thought the umlauts were purely decorative?

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 28, 2014, 09:10:33 AM »
@ dkfick - it's more transliteration than translation.

@ Jeff -Wërks is indeed gibberish. I really hate the random, "we think this sounds Euro" umlaut. Unless you're Mötley Crüe or Spın̈al Tap, then you get a pass.


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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 28, 2014, 07:24:14 AM »
English has lots of loan words. Once a word gets in the dictionary, I'm fine with Anglicized spellings. For instance, "resume" and "entrepreneur" don't need the accent aigu. There comes a point where the language changes before the dictionary does, but I don't think we're there yet with "Kolsch." It seems like most beer books, style guides, etc. use the proper German spelling still.

@ Dkfick - the "e after vowel if you can't write the umlaut" rule is a German rule, not an English rule, afaik. I believe the "proper" notation in English also involves italicizing foreign words, but that doesn't seem common anymore.

Language changes over time and all that, but I'm not ready to give up on spelling yet.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 27, 2014, 12:47:38 PM »
Im still tryiing to figure out how Curl sounds without the R... I'm thinkng it would be just cl, like clam without the am.

Pronunciations vary a bit by region, but here are some examples:
http://www.forvo.com/word/kölsch/#de

The pronunciation from Thonatas is the closest to how it sounds in the local dialect. The lady from Switzerland has a weird accent, but Swiss German in general is a lot different from High German.

The vowel sound is the same as the e in "le" in French, which is also hard for English speakers to pronounce properly. U and ü are really difficult to differentiate as well. My German has gotten a lot better since I've been here, but there have been a lot of times I've said something and people thought I said something else. For instance, "Juni" and "Uni" are two different words, as are "Trauben" and "traben."

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 27, 2014, 11:54:48 AM »
I've been taught that if you can't make an umlaut, the the correct spelling would be with an "e".  It's not difficult.

You sir, are 100% correct. Apparently web addresses don't support umlauts, so pretty much the only time you see the vowel+e format here is for websites.

What language uses ë or ï? Never saw those in German.

ë and ï I've seen in French, and apparently it's also used in Dutch, and some eastern European/west Asian languages.

Edit: oops, Eric beat me to it.

I know it seems like a pretty nit-picky thing, but if I met a Chinese guy who said "I love drinking Cars Banquet, it's my favorite beer." I'd probably tell him "Naw dog, it's spelled 'Coors.' Also, drink better beer."

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 27, 2014, 07:47:35 AM »
I don't think that is a fair assessment. I'm not going over to Europe wearing my 'merican flag ball cap and going to eat at McDonalds and complaining when people don't speak English. I just don't know how to make an umlaut on my computer. So chill the hell out with your aspersions.

Well, I don't think it's an aspersion, more an observation based upon what you actually said, which was:

I realize there is supposed to be an umlaut but I personally don't care and I think it looks stupid . . . so suck it up and deal with it. KOLSCH!

Which to me, sounds like "I realize (I spelled it wrong), but I think (the proper spelling of German words) looks stupid, so suck it up and deal with (my improper spelling.) KOLSCH!"

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 27, 2014, 07:24:48 AM »
I realize there is supposed to be an umlaut but I personally don't care and I think it looks stupid (and pedantic) with the "e" after the "o" and I'm not about to try to figure out how to do the umlaut on my keyboard so suck it up and deal with it. KOLSCH!

God bless America! That attitude is exactly why people are so surprised I'm here. Everyone thinks Americans know best, in every situation, and don't care what anyone else thinks about anything.

I've also seen one of only two other Americans I've met here arguing with a German about who the president of Germany is. (Hint: It's Joachim Gauck, not Angela Merkel.)

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 26, 2014, 11:45:59 PM »
I did not know that - I appreciate the correction with the spelling and pronunciation (but there are many using the "no e" spelling, including Reissdorf)   

Um, what? Reissdorf definitely spells Kölsch with an o-umlaut. If you can't make that letter, for instance if you have an English keyboard, the proper way to make umlauts is to put an e after the vowel that's supposed to have the umlaut.


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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 26, 2014, 10:47:46 AM »
Also also, it's spelled "Koelsch" or "Kölsch." It's a close-mid front rounded vowel. It's like the vowel sound in "bird." It's not "coal-sh," more like "curl-sh," minus the "r." If you ever make it over here, the proper pronunciation will make your life a whole lot easier.   

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Kolsch glass source (stang)
« on: April 26, 2014, 10:30:23 AM »
I hate Stangen. Gimme a Hoibe, or gtfo.

Also, it's spelled "Stange." See, I can be pedantic in two different languages now!

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Going Pro / Re: Biggest barrier?
« on: April 26, 2014, 09:52:15 AM »
I agree with Keith. Money is the biggest barrier to entry. The biggest barrier to success is your own ignorance, followed closely by money again.

I've read a lot of business plans over the years. My sample size is pretty limited, since if you know what you're doing, you wouldn't ask me for advice. But of the plans I've seen, none of them followed accounting practice. (Protip: If you think you found a way to have a 75% margin on your beer, you forgot about labor and overhead. D'oh! Also, depreciation is a thing that exists, so maybe it should exist in your business plan too.)

None of them knew how to make a detailed cash budget. In the real world, your cash flows aren't matched perfectly with your expenses, and you need to plan for that. I think that's partly where the "take your costs and double them, that's how much cash you need" rule of thumb came from.

I'm sure I sound like a broken record, but something like 65% of bankrupt businesses have positive annual net profits, but they can't match their in-flows with their out-flows. So even making and selling a lot of good beer may not be enough to keep your business running.

Some of those breweries have actually gotten off the ground, and haven't exploded yet, so maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt they'll last more than 5 years or so.

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Going Pro / Re: Biggest barrier?
« on: April 25, 2014, 12:44:12 PM »
I don't think you get successful by accident. If you are smart you can be successful and you don't need a ton of money but you need to make good beer. If you don't make it I don't think you lose the total value of your equipment, like lottery tickets.

One other thing a would be brewery owner should ask themselves is what is my goal with this business. You have to be realistic and honest with yourself. What do you consider successful ? Don't worry what others think. If you want to be a millionaire, yes by all means buy them tickets.

I disagree.  plenty of smart people have made great beer and gone out of business. plenty of dumb people make bad beer and make a killing.  I wish the world was fair, but it's not.

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The Pub / Re: Imported beer, German edition
« on: April 25, 2014, 08:26:26 AM »
Between opening a brewery and living a year or so in Germany I guess I'd take the latter. I'm jealous. Have fun.

after my previous adventure in being self employed, I think it'll be a while before I want that much responsibility again. I figured this was probably the only time in my life to move abroad easily, before we buy a house and have kids.

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The Pub / Re: Imported beer, German edition
« on: April 25, 2014, 05:15:36 AM »
Pretty cool. Poking around in Pro Brewer looked like you were opening a brewery. That still coming to fruition?

That was the plan, but I know better now!

I'm finishing my master's in finance, should be done in August. I'm looking for work in investment banking or corporate finance now. Maybe if I get an awesome job and get crazy rich I'll open a brewery someday, but I'm putting it on the far back-burner right now.

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