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All Grain Brewing / Re: Sparge killing my Gravity
« on: April 11, 2016, 07:27:50 AM »
System and Method:
- Recirculating Pump System with 15g mega pots
- Average recipie was 14lb of grain to 17qt of water
- Mash at 150 for 60 minutes (or till iodine test show good to go)
- Sparge 4g of water at 170 for 15 minutes
- Transfer 6g to boil and boil for about 60min at ~196 (Altitude boil point)
- Boil off about 1g for finale volume of ~5g of wort

Issue is that during the sparge process, I am loosing gravity. When I take a sample post mash, but pre-sparge, I am hitting my targets, but post boil, I am reading a consistent 1.040, regardless of the recipe. I took pre-boil/post sparge samples, on the last two batches, and found that I was losing about .020 gravity points with sparging.

What is happening and how do I fix it?

Are you adding the sparge water before draining some or all of the mash?  In fly sparging, you should be draining the mash until the wort is a little bit above the grain level and then add sparge water to maintain that level.  In batch sparging, you should drain the mash tun before sparging. 

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Other Fermentables / Re: Degassing
« on: April 08, 2016, 12:11:28 PM »
There's a lot of mead protocols out there.  Which or whose are you using?  I won't be able to give you any help, but I'm interested in answers for the next time I make mead.

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As soon as you reach a temperature that is safe for your agitating equipment.  I use a plastic impeller.  I'm not sure which plastic it is made from, so I let the temperature drop before putting it in the wort.

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All Grain Brewing / Re: getting rid of clorine
« on: April 08, 2016, 07:00:37 AM »
I fill my pot the day before, leave the lid off but I don't heat the water beforehand.  I haven't had problems that I know of.  I'm on Chicago water.

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I figured the purported extra body created by step mashing would be from unfermentable sugars. If its not that, does anyone know what it is? And how the step mash creates it but single infusion doesn't?

Look up glycoproteins, supposedly released at mash temps around 160.  Kai touches on them briefly, and they are mentioned in some other sources I have seen.

Edit: Below is the relevant page from Kai's site.

http://braukaiser.com/wiki/index.php?title=Decoction_Mashing

"Narziss [Narziss, 2005] and Fix [Fix, 1999] suggest, that a rest at 158 - 162 *F (70 - 72 *C) benefits head retention and body of the beer though glycoproteides that are extracted from the malt but not degraded by enzymatic activity. Because of that Narziss suggests holding this rest up to 60 min."
Interesting!  I'd read that before and purged it lol. I think my take away originally was that the higher temp step was for body. So apparently glycoproteides are not considered a sugar and would not be measurable with a hydrometer?
Glycoproteins could measurably affect gravity if there was enough of them.  It sounds like they have high molecular weights so a small amount of them can affect mouthfeel.
I have not done blind tests, but I don't really feel the need to. Enzymes work best at different temperatures and a 150F rest isn't doing the best for beta and alpha enzymes. Separate rests are best. But I guess if you don't care to spend a little extra time then don't. That's why this hobby is great, we can put into it what we want to get out of it.
A 150F rest isn't doing the best what? Separate rests are best at what? Why?

I get that the enzymes do different things, but none work in a vacuum. Why is it better to have alpha and beta active separately, rather than together? And how are you sure that alpha isn't having a significant effect down at beta rest range before you ramp up? Modern malts have a crap-ton of enzymatic activity, and even if it's at a lower rate there's a good chance that alpha-amylase is still gobbling away well enough just by sheer enzymatic content at beta rest temps. And frankly, alpha amylase activity will certainly improve beta amylase's effectiveness, by exposing more 1-4 bonds for beta to act on.

I think you have to be really cautious to start extrapolating scientific facts, given how complex the chemistry of wort and beer production is. You can make all the claims you want, but they are really just unproven hypotheses until you back it up with data.


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The Pub / Re: Brewers Association Top 50
« on: April 06, 2016, 10:18:25 AM »
Can someone tell me about Minhas Craft Brewery? It didn't seem to fit the category to me, but I've never heard of them.

Minhas' brewery is the old Huber brewery. 

The footnote to Minhas says "includes Mountain Crest and 10 other brand families as well as export volume."

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General Homebrew Discussion / Tuesday Beer Trivia: More Hops
« on: April 06, 2016, 08:46:03 AM »
Question 3 does not provide the right answer.  Assuming that nothing is lost in drying hops other than water, for the water percentages provide in the explanation of the answer, the correct answer is 4.5.  In drying my homegrown hops, the weight loss is 75 - 80%.

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Beer Recipes / Re: Experimental All Oat Ale:Results are in!
« on: April 03, 2016, 04:42:19 PM »
Would an all oat ale be gluten free?

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All Grain Brewing / Belle Saison
« on: March 31, 2016, 11:49:08 AM »
There are some folks who have a lot/quite a bit of experience with Belle Saison.  IIRC from past threads, Belle Saision is a beast and there is no need to raise the temperature out of the 60s or the lows 70s.

I would ferment at room temp.

D-45 is probably not part of the style, but who cares.

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All Grain Brewing / Re: Lautering issue
« on: March 29, 2016, 07:28:43 AM »
A few different ideas:

The hose makes the flowrate increase.  Presumably the higher flowrate pulls in more debris.  Perhaps you should vorlauf with the hose on.

I had a similar problem in that no matter how much I vorlaufed I could not stop the occasional chunk of husk from getting into the boil pot.  It turned out I had a "leak" in the lauter manifold which allowed the chunks through.  The leak was bigger than the slots in the manifold.  Once I fixed the leak, the problem went away.

A few husks and even a lot of husks is often no big deal.  There is a recent xbeeriment thread about this.

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The Pub / Re: Laptop/Desktop
« on: March 29, 2016, 07:16:28 AM »
A few random thoughts:

I last bought a windows laptop because I need windows for work.  I got BeerSmith 1.4 to work on it just fine so I'm happy.

For my few desktop purchases over the last 25 years, I took the hard drive from my old computer and plugged it into the new computer so I could easily access my old data.

Don't you also run some brewing software?


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All Grain Brewing / Re: Water salts influence on aroma?
« on: March 27, 2016, 07:16:32 PM »
I don't think there is much direct effect of salts on aroma.  pH can influence the solubility of aromatic compounds, but changing pH probably has a stronger effect on flavor.

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Ingredients / Re: Lyle's Golden Syrup
« on: March 25, 2016, 06:23:44 AM »
I think that unholymess is pretty much crock on making invert. Ron Parkinson's guide to making vintage beers has better instructions.

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All Grain Brewing / Re: Mash steps/Beer body/Fermentable sugars
« on: March 25, 2016, 06:15:36 AM »
Why are you mashing at 60C (140 F)? You are converting almost no starch into sugar at that temperature.  In contrast, 65 C (149 F) is a useful mash temperature.

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Extract/Partial Mash Brewing / Re: Partial Grain American Wheat
« on: March 24, 2016, 12:25:50 PM »
Secondary should be an exception rather than the rule.

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