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Kegging and Bottling / Re: C02 tank and force carbonating
« on: March 01, 2011, 09:12:54 PM »
How does the gas escape the corny?

It isn't supposed to escape unless your tap is open and your glass is collecting beer.

I do have to also say, you are an industrious took me a couple of weeks to put all of my components together, even after taking a couple of months collecting the stuff on Craigslist....and then it still took me a couple more weeks to both brew and buy a commercial craft beer to try it out.

Got pics?

Oh, and last thing, I didn't use any teflon tape on my gas or beer leaks.  I kind of remember somewhere it saying it was unnecessary.  Perhaps I am heading for a leak.

Kegging and Bottling / Re: Beer line length.....
« on: February 28, 2011, 07:02:10 PM »
or a secondary regulator (like you need an excuse for that).....cut a foot (or 6 inches) at a time to get it perfect!

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Vote For Your AHA Governing Committee
« on: February 27, 2011, 09:12:10 PM »
I will enjoy getting TT2 in my inbox, but I really have made a concerted effort to add whatever knowledge I have gained to whatever topics I can here....and have gotten some inspiring and thoughtful feedback on questions of my own.  I guess, with all things, you get what you give....still, I don't check all of the forum categories, and probably miss some cool stuff that I would otherwise have read in an e-mail.

I certainly see both sides of the coin.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Vote For Your AHA Governing Committee
« on: February 27, 2011, 06:52:00 PM »
We're getting close to launching TT2.  We've been beta testing it and as soon as a couple issues are worked out we should be set to go.

I have been wondering about TT2....I, too am sticking around, I miss TT but I also think that this forum has improved and become less campy (less +1 and me too type posts unless more info is added)....

Pimp My System / Re: Keezer build
« on: February 27, 2011, 02:58:14 PM »
I know its all going to be worth it that 1st party, when everyone is enjoying my beer out of my taps. My wife and I love entertaining people and host the annual halloween and New Years parties, so this will add a fun touch.

I know we all can't wait for the invite! :)  Happy Building!

Pimp My System / Re: Keezer build
« on: February 27, 2011, 09:37:13 AM »
I am jealous of all the brand spanking new stuff you bought!  Your dilemma now is whether to brew now and race to finish said keezer, or continue to remain (relatively) sober and make progress on the keezer.

A little bit of advice when you finally get it all together, hooked up with beer and are working on getting the pour correct.  You CAN get drunk on just foam.   :)

Keep all of us looky lou's in the loop.


Equipment and Software / Re: keezer help
« on: February 24, 2011, 07:53:22 PM »
Another reason for a can drill into it and avoid marring the freezer altogether.

I just went from long time direct fire MT with circulation pump to a HERMS system that lives in my HLT.  I did my first brew on the HERMS last week, and the jury is still out.

My direct fire system had me constantly turning on and off the burner to maintain temps and avoid scorching (I never did scorch....good false bottom), but the temp fluctuations always bothered me.

My new herms system seems to make it easier to maintain a given temp, as the temp changes slowly....however, I figured that I could raise the temp to mash out using only the HERMS system, but it took a little longer than I expected to get the temp from mash to mash out....I think it is not an indictment of the system, but a problem to be solved through process and procedure....or call it operator ignorance.

In the long run, if I figure out how to use it, I will like it much the meantime, I hope my beer is not adversely affected....check back in a few weeks.

Equipment and Software / Re: keezer help
« on: February 23, 2011, 09:35:42 PM »
The set up you show has a Sanke coupler for American commercial style kegs.  You would need ball or pin lock (depending on your kegs) gas and beer couplers.  The tower shown has one faucet, so to run 4 kegs you would also need either 3 more towers and faucet combos or a tower that had 4 faucets.  You also will likely need more 3/16" beer line to balance the system than is shown for each tap (I use about 10 feet...there are other threads about this), a gas manifold to split the gas to each of the kegs, some gas line to run from manifold to kegs....

I opted for the collar, for ease of build, but agree that the tower looks nice.  I just finished my build and am still learning about my system....see my blog for info/pics.....I didn't detail the building, but talk about the problems and show the freezer.

Oh, and my chest freezer had a nice plug in the back of the lid (and no coils in the lid, either) where I could run electric into, but your gas could go through that too, just drill through the insulation.  There are a number of nice plug in style controllers available at HBS if you don't want to worry about wiring and mounting something like a Love controller.  

good luck.  It is a fun and satisfying build when complete.


Kegging and Bottling / Re: Going extinct?
« on: February 23, 2011, 07:11:23 AM »
I was thinking of the term peak corny....since the beverage manufacturers stopped using them, yes, we are past peak....but our homebrewer needs are small, so even if every homebrewer in America needs an average of 10 corny's, there are probably enough corny kegs to go around.  Same if the brewers stop using stainless kegs or even glass bottles.

AHA membership is about what, 30,000, and let's say only 1/3 of homebrewers belong to the AHA (we know it is all the good ones, right?).  100,000 brewers.  If we all had 10 kegs on average (which is a higher number than probably actual), the total demand is 750,000, and if we need to replace 1% per year (which seems high, too) , that is only an additional 7,500 per year.  Someday, we run out of reconditioned kegs....but I am not sure there is a real shortage now.  I don't know what the cost should be, but it shouldn't be spiking due to shortage, but maybe more likely due to increased demand for stainless steel....and every time I see someone mention that they are becoming scarce, that time is not now and it drives me nuts.

Current prices seem to be $40-$50 retail, or $20-$35 resale or wholesale.  Is that reasonable?  I don't know.

Kegging and Bottling / Re: Kegging Newbie
« on: February 21, 2011, 04:34:47 PM »
you can go either way on carbonating....either prime with sugar or force carbonate....both work ok.

Kegging and Bottling / Re: Going extinct?
« on: February 21, 2011, 04:29:58 PM »
their real value is in that they help make good beer cheaply.  :)

Kegging and Bottling / Re: keg cleaning
« on: February 21, 2011, 02:08:43 PM »
All useful advice! Thanks!

Kegging and Bottling / Re: Going extinct?
« on: February 21, 2011, 02:07:37 PM »
I don't know how long you've been in brewing, but compared to 10 years ago cornies are much harder to find and more expensive.

I have been brewing for just shy of 20 years....kegging for 1 month.  I am just paying attention now.  Understanding that scoring a bunch of used corny's from some coke distributer or restaurant for dirt cheap is rare, the scrap steel is probably worth more than $10 per alone....but is there a shortage?  No HBS seems to ever be out of kegs to sell for between $45 and $49.  Pricey (or not depending on perspective), but not at all hard to find.  I think that this is a manufactured shortage....and if you look at any other 5 gallon stainless vessel (a basic brewpot for instance) of any quality is $30-$60 new (or over $200 with fancy pieces-parts), which used might be $15-20.  Technically, a new keg at $110 should make a used one about $ maybe the $50 price isn't so bad.

Tell me that the price of steel is the factor of the keg price, not shortage.

Kegging and Bottling / Going extinct?
« on: February 21, 2011, 09:03:34 AM »

After reading many posts and other stuff on line about corny's going extinct, I wonder if it is true.  Recently a shop near my house that deals in volumes of kegs raised their prices to match all of the LHBS after getting a shipment, stating that they were going to get harder to find, but I see mountains of them at all of the LHBS, on line, and on craigslist.  And, if I lived in Seattle, I could get them from Tom for $25.....

I understand the beverage makers are not using them anymore, or retiring them, but shouldn't that just make them more available to the homebrew trade at nearly the scrap metal value?  Lastly, is it disingenuous to say that they are scarce when you can also buy them new (at 3 times the price, however)?  I posit that they someday might become scarce, but they are nowhere near at this point, and treating them as rare precious metal and the price inflations are just plain wrong.  I also understand that once upon a time, you could get them for practically nothing, requiring nothing more than a little elbow grease.

On another note, I was at a local craft brewer and noticed that they have elected to use plastic kegs (I don't know what types of plastic)....does this mean that stainless kegs will also go away altogether eventually?  I am not worried, as how many years would it take to replace the quadzillion kegs in circulation?

Also, as canning becomes more prevalent in craft beer, will the opinion of cans improve, and will that eventually mean the end of glass bottles?  I am surprised this hasn't happened already in BMC world (it would be so much cheaper to only deal with one packaging line).  They even have cans shaped like bottles.  Again, hard to worry about these would take years to make them rare.

Kind of like the gasoline powered automobile....if they stopped making them tomorrow (which they won't), how many years would it be before you couldn't find a gas station?  In fact, the reason alternative fuel vehicles are a hard sell is that there are a million gas stations that would need to convert, and they wouldn't convert until there is a majority of vehicles to serve, and there won't be a majority of vehicles to serve until there are reliable numbers (at reliable intervals) of places to fuel them.  Electric vehicles have the only real chance because you can charge them at home overnight breaking the status quo cycle somewhat.

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