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Equipment and Software / Re: keezer help
« on: February 24, 2011, 04:35:42 AM »
The set up you show has a Sanke coupler for American commercial style kegs.  You would need ball or pin lock (depending on your kegs) gas and beer couplers.  The tower shown has one faucet, so to run 4 kegs you would also need either 3 more towers and faucet combos or a tower that had 4 faucets.  You also will likely need more 3/16" beer line to balance the system than is shown for each tap (I use about 10 feet...there are other threads about this), a gas manifold to split the gas to each of the kegs, some gas line to run from manifold to kegs....

I opted for the collar, for ease of build, but agree that the tower looks nice.  I just finished my build and am still learning about my system....see my blog for info/pics.....I didn't detail the building, but talk about the problems and show the freezer.

Oh, and my chest freezer had a nice plug in the back of the lid (and no coils in the lid, either) where I could run electric into, but your gas could go through that too, just drill through the insulation.  There are a number of nice plug in style controllers available at HBS if you don't want to worry about wiring and mounting something like a Love controller.  

good luck.  It is a fun and satisfying build when complete.


Kegging and Bottling / Re: Going extinct?
« on: February 23, 2011, 02:11:23 PM »
I was thinking of the term peak corny....since the beverage manufacturers stopped using them, yes, we are past peak....but our homebrewer needs are small, so even if every homebrewer in America needs an average of 10 corny's, there are probably enough corny kegs to go around.  Same if the brewers stop using stainless kegs or even glass bottles.

AHA membership is about what, 30,000, and let's say only 1/3 of homebrewers belong to the AHA (we know it is all the good ones, right?).  100,000 brewers.  If we all had 10 kegs on average (which is a higher number than probably actual), the total demand is 750,000, and if we need to replace 1% per year (which seems high, too) , that is only an additional 7,500 per year.  Someday, we run out of reconditioned kegs....but I am not sure there is a real shortage now.  I don't know what the cost should be, but it shouldn't be spiking due to shortage, but maybe more likely due to increased demand for stainless steel....and every time I see someone mention that they are becoming scarce, that time is not now and it drives me nuts.

Current prices seem to be $40-$50 retail, or $20-$35 resale or wholesale.  Is that reasonable?  I don't know.

Kegging and Bottling / Re: Kegging Newbie
« on: February 21, 2011, 11:34:47 PM »
you can go either way on carbonating....either prime with sugar or force carbonate....both work ok.

Kegging and Bottling / Re: Going extinct?
« on: February 21, 2011, 11:29:58 PM »
their real value is in that they help make good beer cheaply.  :)

Kegging and Bottling / Re: keg cleaning
« on: February 21, 2011, 09:08:43 PM »
All useful advice! Thanks!

Kegging and Bottling / Re: Going extinct?
« on: February 21, 2011, 09:07:37 PM »
I don't know how long you've been in brewing, but compared to 10 years ago cornies are much harder to find and more expensive.

I have been brewing for just shy of 20 years....kegging for 1 month.  I am just paying attention now.  Understanding that scoring a bunch of used corny's from some coke distributer or restaurant for dirt cheap is rare, the scrap steel is probably worth more than $10 per alone....but is there a shortage?  No HBS seems to ever be out of kegs to sell for between $45 and $49.  Pricey (or not depending on perspective), but not at all hard to find.  I think that this is a manufactured shortage....and if you look at any other 5 gallon stainless vessel (a basic brewpot for instance) of any quality is $30-$60 new (or over $200 with fancy pieces-parts), which used might be $15-20.  Technically, a new keg at $110 should make a used one about $ maybe the $50 price isn't so bad.

Tell me that the price of steel is the factor of the keg price, not shortage.

Kegging and Bottling / Going extinct?
« on: February 21, 2011, 04:03:34 PM »

After reading many posts and other stuff on line about corny's going extinct, I wonder if it is true.  Recently a shop near my house that deals in volumes of kegs raised their prices to match all of the LHBS after getting a shipment, stating that they were going to get harder to find, but I see mountains of them at all of the LHBS, on line, and on craigslist.  And, if I lived in Seattle, I could get them from Tom for $25.....

I understand the beverage makers are not using them anymore, or retiring them, but shouldn't that just make them more available to the homebrew trade at nearly the scrap metal value?  Lastly, is it disingenuous to say that they are scarce when you can also buy them new (at 3 times the price, however)?  I posit that they someday might become scarce, but they are nowhere near at this point, and treating them as rare precious metal and the price inflations are just plain wrong.  I also understand that once upon a time, you could get them for practically nothing, requiring nothing more than a little elbow grease.

On another note, I was at a local craft brewer and noticed that they have elected to use plastic kegs (I don't know what types of plastic)....does this mean that stainless kegs will also go away altogether eventually?  I am not worried, as how many years would it take to replace the quadzillion kegs in circulation?

Also, as canning becomes more prevalent in craft beer, will the opinion of cans improve, and will that eventually mean the end of glass bottles?  I am surprised this hasn't happened already in BMC world (it would be so much cheaper to only deal with one packaging line).  They even have cans shaped like bottles.  Again, hard to worry about these would take years to make them rare.

Kind of like the gasoline powered automobile....if they stopped making them tomorrow (which they won't), how many years would it be before you couldn't find a gas station?  In fact, the reason alternative fuel vehicles are a hard sell is that there are a million gas stations that would need to convert, and they wouldn't convert until there is a majority of vehicles to serve, and there won't be a majority of vehicles to serve until there are reliable numbers (at reliable intervals) of places to fuel them.  Electric vehicles have the only real chance because you can charge them at home overnight breaking the status quo cycle somewhat.

Kegging and Bottling / Re: keg cleaning
« on: February 21, 2011, 03:33:30 PM »
Bluesman Wrote:
1. Hot rinse
2. Hot PBW soak
3. Hot rinse
4. Sanitize
5. Purge and pressurize with CO2

This looks like my regimen, except for the purge and pressurize.....Bluesman, do you then just fill it when you are bottling, or do you repeat the sanitation when kegging?  I like the idea of not having to re-sanitize, but my paranoia doesn't allow me to feel comfortable about it.  Perhaps I could just use my spray bottle of star san to coat everything when cracking it open to fill?  Or do you push beer into it using co2? 

Pimp My System / Re: Kegerator Showcase
« on: February 20, 2011, 03:00:57 PM »
I am vertically challenged (I like to say I am averaged height....for women), but elected to have the collar attached to the freezer and remount the hinges to it.  I felt that the weight of the collar would be too great to support, and attaching the collar to the lid must be stout as it moves....if it falls on you while loading, it could hurt. (not to mention that you are in a world of hurt if the hinges break.  If I was making the collar out of a lighter material (plastic of some sort would work) I might have felt differently.

Equipment and Software / Re: making lemonade out of lemons
« on: February 19, 2011, 05:19:14 AM »
Yep, it'll be sterile up until the point that it clogs.

Ya sure she doesn't need oxygen? Just in case, ya know, for emergencies maybe/quote]

Let's hope not I said, her asthma is mild, but many friends were telling me that some of their kid's asthma had I was thinking that you might find this medical device not very expensive on the resale market (ie craigslist) checking craigslist....looks like anywhere from $15-$100 (and as low as $22 new on Amazon) and more than a few available in my, all I am saying, besides "give peace a chance" is that if you were looking at wanting to try aerating your wort, a used nebulizer might be the cheap way to go because of the sterile filter action.  Admit it, you would spend more on a single stainless steel fitting, which doesn't do a thing to improve your beer.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Suggestion for home bar build
« on: February 19, 2011, 03:47:48 AM »
I like the flip top bar top suggested, but if you had the freezer on wheels, and the tower mounted to the bar, depending on the clearance between the bottom of the bar top and the top of the freezer, your lines can live in your freezer and go through a hole on the lid straight into the tower.  The lines will need to be in the 12-15 foot length to balance the system and overcome the as long as you can guide them back into the freezer when you slide the freezer back into place, it all sounds workable.

Or, do the standard collar and have them under the bar....not fancy, but practical.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Price for Rogue Ales
« on: February 19, 2011, 03:37:10 AM »
I actually had a taste for a belgian dark today....went to a local liquor store that has a lot of them....couldn't bring myself to buy a bomber (locals/nationals) for $10+ and Imported 750ml well into the teens.  I walked out.  I may just go down to the brewery and get me a five gallon keg of Great Divide's Grand Cru for $41 ($52 minus 20% AHA discount) local it is the only way.  I figure the keg will last me a year or so.  The deposit is $50, however.

Equipment and Software / making lemonade out of lemons
« on: February 18, 2011, 03:10:30 AM »
My daughter was diagnosed with asthma today.  :-[  Luckily, it seems to be mild and there are good drugs and equipment to deal with it.  :-\

After she got home from the doctors we unpacked a piece of equipment called a nebulizer, basically an air compressor that vaporizes medicine to inhale.  All of the medicine and vaporizing happens at a mouth piece.....remove that and all you have is a fish tank type air compressor with a sterile filter.....a FISH TANK TYPE AIR COMPRESSOR WITH A STERILE FILTER!!!!!

great googily moogily!  If the air is pure enough to medicate someone with, surely it is pure enough to aerate wort!

I guess just got a new piece of brewing equipment.  Now that is some lemonade!!!  :D

Which got me thinking....what would a used medical device like that go for on craigslist.....maybe a cheap piece of equipment to pick up?  Since I now have one (until she moves away in 15 years), I just thought I would share the idea.

Equipment and Software / Re: Help Building Keggle Mash Tun
« on: February 18, 2011, 02:34:20 AM »
I use a keggle for a mash tun, and direct fired it until recently.  I had a simple (yet pretty strong) false bottom with a drilled hole for the dip tube....worked like a charm.  The false bottom you indicate looks kinda flimsy until you see the supports....the supports look like they give you a few extra inches of height and would stand up to about 50 pounds of grist, which is good, but for $75 you could probably go with a thicker material one and not need the supports.

All things considered, it looks good, go for it.

Kegging and Bottling / Re: Sanitize CO2 line & connecter?
« on: February 17, 2011, 08:54:28 PM »
A spare keg with starsan works nice to disinfect the liquid line. Just don't leave it in there too long or the inside of the line will get gummy.

sorry to hijack this thread....but what does starsan do to the vinyl beer line?

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