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Commercial Beer Reviews / Re: Bigfoot 2013
« on: February 28, 2013, 11:36:47 AM »
4 pack? Why?  >:(

Same cost as 6 pack last year?

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Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: February 28, 2013, 11:24:17 AM »
I think you are fooling yourself if you think the winners of the NHC are the best of the best when many, many people were shut out of entering all together.  This year it will be the best of the best of people who were fortunate to get a slot.  Might as well make it a random lottery.....

I don't think anyone is fooling themselves, but to say that winning a medal doesn't grant you some standing because you were lucky to get in when others didn't is a little insulting.  I definitely admit I am not the best of the best, but do the best I can and try to improve.  Many of the best brewers out there don't even compete, so what does that say about last year's winners?  Again, some got shut out which is unfortunately,  but entering beers that I've been brewing over the past 6 months in preparation for the competition was a priority to me.  So I made sure I was available when registration opened.  And I do not "carpet bomb".  I had two other beers I could have entered but didn't because I didn't feel like they were worthy.

What about the brewers who don't attend NHC because they can't afford it until it's in their backyard so they can limit the expense of travel, and share a room with 3 other people to cut down on cost?  If they decide $30 is too steep for a brewing competition, is there beer not considered the best of the best?

And it's because we are willing to spend hundreds, even thousands of dollars to attend the greatest homebrew event in the world that we balk at increasing the cost even more by doubling the entry fee for competition.  Again, if it happens, I just won't enter.  But I will still attend NHC and have a great time.

NHC is one of the comps I try to enter each year.  Other ones I will enter will either be local, or if someone I know from The Brewing Network is calling for entries and it fits my timeline.

Based on the responses from Tom, Ron, Fred, and others, I know the opinions on both sides will get their day in court and hopefully the outcome will benefit the membership as a whole.

edit:  although I think Tom will take a position opposing me because he hates Belichick  ;D

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Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: February 28, 2013, 11:03:38 AM »
With the cost to attend NHC every year going up, it just wouldn't be worth it to me.
Can you be more specific? 
Conference cost, Hotel cost, or Travel cost?
The first one, Conference cost, has had very few increases, Hotel, we have a little control over and have held the increases down, travel we have no influence on.

Fred,

I was referring to the total cost to attend, which I realize the AHA doesn't have a lot of control over.  It was not meant to offend or suggest the AHA, GC, or local committees aren't doing a great job setting these events up...they are.

Thanks!

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Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: February 28, 2013, 09:54:54 AM »
+1!!!!   And that is what a higher entry fee will do..people will be sending the beers that they feel are the best of the best.  It will help lower the amount of people "carpet bombing" the competition with every beer they have brewed in the last 6 months.   The brewers who brew beers specifically for the NHC,and have put in many hours refining and brewing will pay the higher entrance fees. The guys just looking for feedback will opt out and find other comps.

I don't agree with this.  This year, I specifically scheduled my brew days for the competition, entered beers that I thought could win ( some have won this year including NHC ).  Even though I paid more than $30 to register my entries this year, if I had to pay $30 to register one, I just wouldn't bother...even if I had won with that beer throughout the year.  I also think the banquet awards ceremony wouldn't be as exciting as it is now, knowing that anyone has a chance to win, not just the ones with the means (i.e. $$)

With the cost to attend NHC every year going up, it just wouldn't be worth it to me.

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Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: February 28, 2013, 09:42:49 AM »
and here's a comment from you on conference registration last year:
"...Obviously the servers are overloaded but it will eventually go through.  It felt like I was trying to get Buffett tickets."   ;D

Yes, I did say that but I didn't think it was an issue.  Like you said, last year was a walk in the park compared to this year.

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Kegging and Bottling / Bottle Fill Line
« on: February 28, 2013, 07:37:26 AM »
So here's one that bugs me.  In several competitions, most scoresheets have had the low fill or high fill line checked.  I know you're not supposed to get points off for that, but is this picture ( taken from the internet ) a good indication of a proper fill.


I use a beergun and it is said that if you fill it to the top, the displacement of the gun will result in a proper fill when removed, but I'm not too sure of that so I'll hit it with a little extra.

Thanks.

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Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: February 28, 2013, 07:07:02 AM »
I don't see where it's extremely exclusive.  Everyone had the same opportunity to experience 503 Service Unavailable errors as anyone else.  The brewer has to make a decision if it's important enough to take time off from work, shift their lunch hour, or call in sick to be available for the opening of registration.  Moving it to a Saturday or evening may work, but not everyone is working banker's hours, (2nd & 3rd shifts, working weekends, etc ), so you potentially exclude them.

I am against a prequalifier for the ability to enter the first round of the NHC.  That's potentially 3 brewing days for one competition depending on the style.  Now you exclude the people who try to fit a brewday in between work, kid's karate, family time, and all the other crap we save up for the weekend. 

I enjoy enter the national competition, but the rule changes proposed will exclude me from entering in the future (prequalifier, $30 entry fee, etc.)...so mission accomplished I guess.

I don't see an too much of an issue with lowering the limit to 10, but I would never enter that many anyway, so I'd hate to exclude the one who do.



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Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: February 28, 2013, 06:34:37 AM »
Was there problems registering for the competition last year?  I got my 4 entries in no problem and then remember watching the site to see how fast they filled up.  Not as fast as this year, but pretty quickly.  I just don't remember any issues with the comp registration, hotel, or conference.

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Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: February 27, 2013, 02:29:14 PM »
At $30-$50 per entry, wouldn't you think there would be a requirement for the judges to be National or above, therefore limiting the number of judges.  I know I wouldn't want to spend that money and have someone like me judge the beer.

You think you can find that many National level judges?

It takes time, money, effort, reading, learning, etc to become a National level judge, or any BJCP judge for that matter. This is obviously the bottleneck here - people who will talk about solutions but not actually be part of it. We NEED more qualified judges!

That was my point.  At a entry fee this high, there would have to be some expectation of quality and experience, similar to the 2nd round of NHC.  I admit I am not a judge but have thought about it.  But I have a hard time picking up flavors and aroma, and believe me I try (as my recycle bin can attest to :)

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Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: February 27, 2013, 02:05:25 PM »
At $30-$50 per entry, wouldn't you think there would be a requirement for the judges to be National or above, therefore limiting the number of judges.  I know I wouldn't want to spend that money and have someone like me judge the beer.

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Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: February 27, 2013, 01:16:56 PM »
If you choose not to enter because it costs too much...well that is YOUR choice and at least you were given ample chance to enter the NHC.
Kinda like a poll tax?

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Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: February 27, 2013, 11:49:38 AM »
The last time we got on the stage, Charlie was not there. Settled for shaking hands with Gary, which was cool.
I got to shake Charlie's hand last year.  I felt bad because I thought he had a cast and didn't want to aggrevate the injury.  After I realized it was the wrap he puts on the save his hand from all the handshaking.

The pre-qualification argument to reduce entries is not a good one.  That's what the first round of this competition is for.  If you want to enter a competition where you have to pre-qualify then google MCAB and proceed from there.
I was just going to say the same thing...now I don't have to.  Thanks.

Don't bump the price. That would make the amount you can throw at this a big part of your chances to win.
Kai
Exactly.  I know when Gordon was going for Ninkasi, he mentioned he spent a week's salary enter beers and shipping them.  I don't know about anyone else, but I don't think I should have to raid my son's college fund to enter a beer contest.

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Events / Re: NHC Direct links email
« on: February 27, 2013, 07:32:23 AM »
I Received the letter also and to play it safe was going to pay again, but when you log In to do so It says all entries are paid for?

Take a screenshot and save it.  That along with your receipt from Janis should be enough to prove you've paid for you entries.

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Events / NHC Direct links email
« on: February 26, 2013, 05:43:10 PM »
My NYC entries registered and paid, and show such in the website.

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Events / Re: NHC Direct links email
« on: February 26, 2013, 02:50:46 PM »
OH says 810 entries out of 750 have been logged...

Now it says 903 entries out of 750 have been logged for Zanesville.

924....she's going to blow!!!!

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