An ounce of roasted barley or carafa III added to the mash at sparging time should add a lot of colour without much flavor.
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I don't "hope to find" anything. Just curious. I doubt anything can be determined conclusively from this. Also, I posted this in the All Grain subforum since that's how I brew, and I have zero interest in extract beer making (I can't bring myself to call it "brewing"...sorry).
Or you could enter it in both+1 - I would enter it in both categories too.+1 I would enter both.I don't have enough to enter both.