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##### General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 5.2 PH Mash Stabilizer??
« on: July 11, 2013, 05:36:20 PM »
I still have to ask one of the Five Star guys in person about this product.  I'd like to get past the marketing explanation and would like to get a straight answer how this product works.  Maybe at the NHC 2013 we can get some of knowledgeable folks and not just the sales team.

Unfortunately 5.2 is a trade secret and not a patented product.

Kai

Kai,

Did you get to do this at NHC 2013? I am also curious about the "how". I mean, I know it doesn't work, but I'd sure like to see their side of the explanation.

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##### Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: July 08, 2013, 01:12:50 PM »
Found past winners on line.

2012 Seattle, CA = 36
2011 SD, CA = 48
2010 Minneapolis.  CA  = 62
2009 Oakland. CA = 39
2008 Cincinnati. CA = 35
2007 Denver. CA = 48

I want to look at Michigan next.

The right way to do this would be by percentage since it's pretty obvious that CA skews the results due to high numbers. But I don't think we have those numbers.

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##### Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: July 08, 2013, 10:50:54 AM »
I would really like to see some data on NHCs winning entries versus distance from the competition. I think I could spin this info out of the winner's pages, but it would take some time.

Well, I did this and proved myself wrong.

I took the 2013 NHC winners, arranged them by state (for time's sake), and assigned each place a value (1st place = 5pts, 2nd = 3pts, 3rd = 1pt). I then took the state and googled "distance from philly to 'x' state" and input the distance.

Looking at the very simplistic -and truncated- data set:
State/Pts/Miles Away
CA   46   2834
MN   21   1324
WA   21   2750
MI   17   788
PA   17   1
TX   14   1687
OH   13   505
VA   11   323
CO   10   1794
NY   9   96
AZ   8   2266
IL   7   842
NM   7   1906

In the top three states, two are from clear across the country. The other is from the middle of the country. Clearly, shipping across the country is not the issue here.

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##### Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: July 08, 2013, 10:18:47 AM »
I wonder if a more detailed description would help your beer fare better in areas where they do not know the joy of Saison-Brett as we do. I can't imagine a couple weeks of warm transport would destroy a brett beer.

hard to give much more information when limited to 50 characters of specialty information.  Just sayin'

I think that description is 47-48 characters long. It's okay though, I'm happy with the beer and now I can just hoard the last 12-18 bottles to myself.

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##### Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: July 08, 2013, 08:17:19 AM »
I agree with Jeff's comment.  Shipping clearly damages beer and those beers traveling the farthest are more likely to suffer.  In the case of long-distance shipping, air freight might need to be a prerequisite if a brewer is interested in good results at the second round.

This was what my "data point" was mostly aimed at - shipping. I decided not to do air freight on this one as it was \$170 versus \$19 to Philly from KC.

I would really like to see some data on NHCs winning entries versus distance from the competition. I think I could spin this info out of the winner's pages, but it would take some time.

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##### Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: July 08, 2013, 05:53:52 AM »
At any rate, a judge should not be experiencing a 20 or less at the June final round, especially if the beer scored 30+ in April.

The first time I judged final round was in Orlando with you.  We judged bocks.  I recall both of us saying how disappointed we were in the overall quality of them.

As a data point, I hand delivered my entries (assistant organizer, so I just walked them to the cooler) in KC. I entered 4 beers and advanced 2. 50%, not bad right? Anyway, I have a "clone" of Boulevard's Saison-Brett, a beer you likely cannot get outside of the Midwest. I enter it in 16E with the description, "Saison with dregs from Boulevard's Saison-Brett". In the Midwest, it cleans up in competition. At a recent comp, Stan H. commented something to the effect of "Excellent beer, the brewers at Boulevard would be happy to know that this is how their beers are being used." It placed first at the KC NHC Regional over 68 entries in Belgian & French.

It got a 30 in Philly. It averages a 40.3 in the comps it's been to here in the Midwest.

Perhaps it's a combination of shipping times/heat, regional knowledge and a bit of voodoo? FWIW, I judged at the 2012 finals and was surprised at the lack of really great beer as well.

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##### Events / Re: Announcing the names of the winning beers
« on: July 08, 2013, 05:33:29 AM »
In my case, it would be a moot point since my beer names are like "#424 German Pils".

I'm not nearly to that many batches, but I still get a bit lazy with naming (even though my fiance inspires some pretty great names). I tend to name a recipe that I've been working on for a while (e.g. Pants on Fire, Complete Twaddle, etc) but most of my batches just end up as "Nelson Saison", "Amarillo Saison", "Dry Stout", etc.

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##### Yeast and Fermentation / Re: WY3724 How long does this take?
« on: July 05, 2013, 08:22:47 AM »
An update on my Belgian Saison experiences...

I had mentioned that I was going to do WY3724 at 90* and see what happened, but I end up getting a fresh dump of WLP565 from a friend to rebrew the Nelson Sauvin Saison. First impressions... I'm confused, I thought these were the same yeasts??

WLP565 finished to 1.006 in 8 days from 1.048. Eight days?? I started at 72 and then took it to 80 after 2 days, then after 2 more days, set it at 85 and walked away. I was just checking progress at 8 days and couldn't believe it was finished.

Are these not the same yeasts? I've always been told they were both from Dupont. But tasting this sample, it seems that WLP565 is more spicy than WY3724, which I perceive as fruitier.

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##### Events / Re: NHC 2013 Entry Problems - Possible Solutions?
« on: July 05, 2013, 07:56:11 AM »
What is the point of raising the lower limit to 35 if scoring is arbitrary and if time can degrade entries?

What if a set of judges scores higher than everyone around them, and they're judging an IIPA. You will the score meet the criteria provided, but when the brewer doesn't rebrew it, you're still drinking a 4 month old IIPA at the final round of NHC.

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##### Yeast and Fermentation / Re: Sour question from a beginner
« on: July 05, 2013, 05:14:06 AM »
3 months, some of those bugs critters are just getting going. Give it time, lots of time.

Indeed. I have seen that sour beers change in character with a noticeable change in gravity.

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##### Equipment and Software / Re: Erlenmeyer Flask Size?
« on: July 03, 2013, 10:28:24 AM »
I like your cookie jar solution. Looks like a flat bottom, and pretty cheap.

I use the stir bars with the little ring in the middle : http://www.amazon.com/Scienceware-371100138-Magnetic-Integral-Diameter/dp/B002VBW5HW/ref=pd_sim_indust_7

That seems to mitigate any problems with the slightly convex bottom.

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##### Equipment and Software / Re: Really cheap tetra pond pump
« on: July 03, 2013, 10:05:47 AM »
Its not so much the cost. I wanted to make ice blocks in Chinese food containers and then refreeze the water afterwards.  It might take up a lot of space and I've already taken up a lot of real estate in our spare freezer with hops.

Easy solution. Buy another freezer!

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##### Equipment and Software / Re: Erlenmeyer Flask Size?
« on: July 03, 2013, 10:05:03 AM »
I've grown tired of Erlenmeyer flasks breaking or cracking. I've had ones from the LHBS and Pyrex ones. I now use a glass cookie jar that I picked up for \$4, that thing holds 3.5L and has lasted me longer than all of the Erlenmeyer flasks combined!

I was thinking that a mason jar would do just fine.

I've used those as well. Problem was when I tried to find anything over 2qts - they got pretty expensive compared to the lowly cookie jar.

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##### Equipment and Software / Re: Erlenmeyer Flask Size?
« on: July 03, 2013, 07:37:47 AM »
I've grown tired of Erlenmeyer flasks breaking or cracking. I've had ones from the LHBS and Pyrex ones. I now use a glass cookie jar that I picked up for \$4, that thing holds 3.5L and has lasted me longer than all of the Erlenmeyer flasks combined!

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##### Equipment and Software / Re: Homebrew Fight Club: Kettle Filter Edition
« on: July 02, 2013, 01:56:14 PM »
I'm a big fan of the hop stopper.  It's a large, square mesh that surrounds a pickup tube going to the bottom of the kettle.  The only con I can think of is that people have had cold break clog it, so it may not be suited for use with an IC.

I also use this system with a CFC and pellet hops. Best system I've used.

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