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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: shocking my system
« on: November 11, 2014, 03:41:30 PM »
I'm guilty too !  I can't find the study I thought I'd seen to back up the 'bugs getting resistant to starsan' thing people talked about here last year. Worst case, I guess I always have bleach sitting around somewhere and I'm out a little.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: shocking my system
« on: November 11, 2014, 03:13:43 PM »
the fact that bleach corrodes stainless at the welds.

That's only true at chlorine levels greater than 500 ppm. 

I think I had read that back then too, but since I kegged even then I never wanted to chance it. So I used iodophor on my kegs, bleach for everything else. I actually 'broke the rules' and rinsed the bleach solution like crazy then and never had a problem. I don't know how much of it was the quality of my local city water vs the warning not to rinse being overstated. Though I will say that if I had a well as my water source back then I might have rethought rinsing off the solution.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: shocking my system
« on: November 11, 2014, 12:40:12 PM »
I agree. But I do rinse the crap out of it and use starsan after. I don't pick up even a hint of bleach. Again, only once or twice a year for me.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: shocking my system
« on: November 11, 2014, 12:33:52 PM »

thinking of shocking all my equipment in my brewhaus-not because i have anything just becuase all i use is starsan and pbw and think perhaps a chlorine shock may be a good idea once in a while.

whats the proper dosing per gallon of water, and how much contact time to do the job?

thanks

I posted yesterday that I use maybe 2 or 3 tablespoons unscented bleach per 5 gallons. A couple hours contact time. Be sure to rinse like crazy with hot water. Then starsan it.

so not questioning your practices-but i guess that's my dilemma based upon some readings. low dosage (a few tablespoons per 5 gal at best sanitizes and doesn't disinfect..im no expert but that's what im reading. for disinfection i see 1/4 cup minimum per gallon with 2-3 minute contact time-and that seems problematic with plastic equipment and being able to remove residual chlorine on the equipment.

Well, Palmer recommended in HTB 1 tbsp/gallon as a no rinse sanitizer for 20 minutes.

http://homebrew.stackexchange.com/questions/11907/sanitizing-with-bleach-without-rinsing


And Charlie P always recommended 2 oz/ 5 gallons. This is a reference to that:

http://www.birkocorp.com/brewery/white-papers/principles-of-cleaning-and-sanitizing/


So 2 tbsp would = 1 oz/5 gallons. I'm not using bleach as my sole sanitizer - I use it occasionally to hopefully get rid of something that starsan MIGHT not, without having to use a lot of bleach which could likely leave residue and flavor.

And I agree it seems in brewing that's the practice as you reference. Just curious if it's beneficial at low levels or not- in the interest of time well spent. Knock on plastic but so far starsan has served me well.

I think it is beneficial .  Charlie P and Palmer (and many others) recommended those levels as stand alone no rinse sanitizers, and there are brewers here that still do something similar on all their batches. I did it for years before starsan. I feel like it's plenty. The argument against using bleach in the first place wasn't its effectiveness - it was the impact on flavors/aromas and the fact that bleach corrodes stainless at the welds.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: shocking my system
« on: November 11, 2014, 12:12:02 PM »
thinking of shocking all my equipment in my brewhaus-not because i have anything just becuase all i use is starsan and pbw and think perhaps a chlorine shock may be a good idea once in a while.

whats the proper dosing per gallon of water, and how much contact time to do the job?

thanks

I posted yesterday that I use maybe 2 or 3 tablespoons unscented bleach per 5 gallons. A couple hours contact time. Be sure to rinse like crazy with hot water. Then starsan it.

so not questioning your practices-but i guess that's my dilemma based upon some readings. low dosage (a few tablespoons per 5 gal at best sanitizes and doesn't disinfect..im no expert but that's what im reading. for disinfection i see 1/4 cup minimum per gallon with 2-3 minute contact time-and that seems problematic with plastic equipment and being able to remove residual chlorine on the equipment.

Well, Palmer recommended in HTB 1 tbsp/gallon as a no rinse sanitizer for 20 minutes.

http://homebrew.stackexchange.com/questions/11907/sanitizing-with-bleach-without-rinsing


And Charlie P always recommended 2 oz/ 5 gallons. This is a reference to that:

http://www.birkocorp.com/brewery/white-papers/principles-of-cleaning-and-sanitizing/


 I'm not using bleach as my sole sanitizer - I use it occasionally to hopefully get rid of something that starsan MIGHT not, without having to use a lot of bleach which could likely leave residue and flavor.

 

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The Pub / Re: Veteren's Day
« on: November 11, 2014, 11:24:39 AM »
Thank you veterans for your service and sacrifice. It's easy to take our lifestyle and culture for granted sometimes, but it takes people paying the price to have a country like this. The whole idea of a free country even trickles down to the right to brew beer at home. Thank you !

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: shocking my system
« on: November 11, 2014, 11:16:53 AM »
thinking of shocking all my equipment in my brewhaus-not because i have anything just becuase all i use is starsan and pbw and think perhaps a chlorine shock may be a good idea once in a while.

whats the proper dosing per gallon of water, and how much contact time to do the job?

thanks

I posted yesterday that I use maybe 2 or 3 tablespoons unscented bleach per 5 gallons. A couple hours contact time. Be sure to rinse like crazy with hot water. Then starsan it.

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Yeast and Fermentation / Re: Repitching Wyeast 3724
« on: November 11, 2014, 09:44:01 AM »
By far - the most complex and authentic-tasting saisons I've made have been with Wyeast 3724.


^^^^^^^  I don't believe I've ever repitched it (always on to brew the next thing). I've heard that repitching improves performance as well - need to try it next time.

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All Grain Brewing / Re: Hop stand newbie advice
« on: November 11, 2014, 05:25:33 AM »
If it has a green hue, then you've let a fair amount of hop debris into your bottles (or at least the one you opened). It's only 8 days as you say - that stuff will settle out over time. Give it another week and be sure to pour carefully with the rest. In the future you could wrap a (sanitized) fine mesh hop bag or even a piece of nylon women's hose around the end of your racking cane to act as a filter. This will help get cleaner beer into your bottling bucket. Don't draw any big conclusions on the beer yet - hops taste great, the debris does not. It'll settle out in time.

EDIT -  As soon as you feel the beer is carbed properly, it'll speed up the settling process to keep the bottles in the fridge. Just be sure it's carbed well first - it won't carb any further in the fridge.

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All Things Food / Re: Those Brats
« on: November 11, 2014, 05:14:25 AM »
No crock pot.  Smoker.  Simmered in beer with onions.

Remove from beer and finish them on the grill.

^^^^^Yep.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: probably been covered, but…..
« on: November 10, 2014, 05:34:33 PM »
I say do not rack your beer until you're @ FG - verified by 3 hydrometer checks of a day or two apart.

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Kegging and Bottling / Re: Force carb vs Keg conditioned
« on: November 10, 2014, 05:26:08 PM »
I haven't had a new keg in so long I forgot that. I've had a bunch for years and the poppets just fall out. I will say they're in way better shape than most of the used/reconditioned ones I've seen lately.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Alpine is acquired by Green Flash
« on: November 10, 2014, 03:46:31 PM »
Wow, hope it works out for both. I love Alpine - hopefully more people can try their beers now. Key thing being the staffs (and beers) are left intact.

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I use Starsan, but a couple times a year I use a bleach solution first, rinse very thoroughly, and then use Starsan as extra insurance against resistant infection. IIRC someone here posted maybe last year on a recent study which concluded that some organisms can indeed build resistance to the same sanitizer over time.
So Jon, what strength are you using the bleach solution at? I've been brewing for about 1.5 years and have not switched up sanitizer sat all. Have bleach at home, just curious

Just a dilute solution similar to what S. Cere mentioned - a couple or three tablespoons of UNSCENTED bleach/5 gallons, mixed well and soaked for a couple hours. I rinse with a ton of hot water, then give it starsan. Looking back I've done it once or twice/year for a few years. Cheap easy insurance.

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Beer Recipes / Re: What style is this recipe most like?
« on: November 10, 2014, 01:43:54 PM »

I like the thought of an Imperial American Brown Ale! What specifically qualifies a beer as Imperial?


Generally, bigger or scaled up.  Whereas American Brown Ale is listed as ~ 1.045 - 1.060ish OG, an 'Imperial' version would be well above 1.060 OG.

EDIT -  I have an American Brown on tap now with an OG of 1.069, so it could technically be called an Imperial American Brown Ale.

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