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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: medicinal bite - astringency?
« on: October 27, 2017, 08:17:13 PM »
Sorry about my hop choices. Some people like simcoe...

I normally use Magnum for bittering but not in hoppier beers beers where I admittedly want a little more bite

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: medicinal bite
« on: October 26, 2017, 05:27:13 PM »
My experience with hop astringency is the small hop particles in suspension.  Once those settle, the astringency goes away.  However you attack this problem to get those particles settled (in a non-abusive way) is the correct method.  It's easy enough to test on your own: bottle a couple beers, give them 2-7 days cold aging to settle, pour carefully into glass, and compare side-by-side with a fresh pull on your keg.  The downside to the test is that the bottle loses some of the hop goodness to oxidation but for a simple astringency/medicinal test then it should suffice.

This is kind of what I was looking for. The sample I pulled was only a few days after the second hop addition. There was still likely a lot of hop matter in suspension though I didn't note it. This is a problem that might resolve itself.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: medicinal bite
« on: October 26, 2017, 05:13:13 PM »
Going into keg tonight. Will post an update soon.

The goal of this beer was mainly to do a couple things I haven't tried before. It is missing some fundamental things that would make it a proper NEIPA.

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Yeast and Fermentation / Re: 2 staggered yeast pitches
« on: October 26, 2017, 05:04:22 PM »
All great ideas. Thanks.

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Yeast and Fermentation / 2 staggered yeast pitches
« on: October 26, 2017, 02:37:13 PM »
My goal is to ultimately have a pretty neutral yeast character with just a touch of complexity from a secondary yeast.

My thought is to use a neutral yeast and once fermentation is complete possibly add some more fermentables then pitch a second more expressive yeast to get some character out of it but not so that it dominates.

What is the best way to go about this?

For this example, I would likely be using US-05 and WLP705 (sake).



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The Pub / Re: song title game
« on: October 26, 2017, 02:02:41 AM »
I miss you - incubus

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Kegging and Bottling / Re: Quick Force Carbing
« on: October 24, 2017, 06:56:50 PM »
I never recommend connecting gas to the beer side. It’s an easy way to muck up your gas line. Most reliable method is to get the beer cold, set at your desired pressure, purge 10-20 times, shake until the gas no longer goes in. let set a while, do it again. Let set overnight and test.

When you say "desired pressure", how do I figure out what pressure I want? I have never been 100% clear on what PSI I need to set my tank to for carbing a beer.

Just so I understand your steps I am getting the correct PSI, filling the keg with Co2 until I cannot hear anything, purge it with the release valve letting gas escape for a couple seconds (Repeat 10-20 times), then shake the keg until I don't hear gas going in. (Sorry for basically repeating everything but I want to make sure I understand exactly what I need to do)

http://www.kegerators.com/carbonation-table.php


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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: medicinal bite
« on: October 24, 2017, 06:01:54 PM »
So first off excuse my naivety. The complaint of the article's author regarding a lot of NEIPAs is the exact same as mine...

So polyphenols appear to be the issue however I am still confused. If haze active proteins bind to polyphenols shouldn't all NEIPAs be very astringent? Again since my hopping rates are not high for an IPA I don't really understand why I am having this problem especially since I followed a lot of the specific processes for NEIPA.

Could I fix this by attempting to clarify the beer?

Again, sorry for my lack of understanding.

I haven't had a lot of NEIPAs (maybe 15 different commercial examples, including 8 from Treehouse) have all had some amount of astringency.

Interesting and good to know. One of the local examples around here is almost undrinkable because of astringency to me but everyone else seems to love it. I thought the goal of the substyle was to avoid this characteristic? Maybe goals are related to lower bitterness NOT astringency...

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: medicinal bite
« on: October 24, 2017, 03:21:23 PM »
So first off excuse my naivety. The complaint of the article's author regarding a lot of NEIPAs is the exact same as mine...

So polyphenols appear to be the issue however I am still confused. If haze active proteins bind to polyphenols shouldn't all NEIPAs be very astringent? Again since my hopping rates are not high for an IPA I don't really understand why I am having this problem especially since I followed a lot of the specific processes for NEIPA.

Could I fix this by attempting to clarify the beer?

Again, sorry for my lack of understanding.


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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: FG too low?
« on: October 22, 2017, 07:21:18 PM »
Well I took a proper reading today and it is actually at 1.016. Not sure how the reading in the fermenter was so misleading. Maybe I thought the line for 1.015 was 1.010...

Sample tastes great but has a very slight alcoholic/solvent bite. I think it will fade with some lagering time. It is actually tasting like what I would expect from a doppelbock although I am admittedly not too familiar with that style. Definite malt bomb with very light notes of chocolate, coffee, and caramel.

64% Munich 9L
18% Pilsner
9% flaked oats
5% caramunich I
2% Brown malt
2% carafa special I

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: medicinal bite
« on: October 22, 2017, 05:41:40 PM »
Thanks for the information. I thought it might be related to the hops I threw in with 2 minutes remaining in the boil. I do that addition there to get about 10 calculated IBUs so I can lower my bittering charge a bit though I don’t know how much sense that really makes. Just kind of started doing and stuck with it. Hopstand is probably the way to go but I haven’t had good results with my system.

Any information about hops added at high krausen? It was my first time doing that too.

At the end of the day I know my hopping rates are not high which is why I thought it may have something to do with water or another ingredient.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: medicinal bite
« on: October 21, 2017, 09:54:51 PM »
Many people have noted harsh, unpleasant polyphenols from the high late hopping in NEIPA.  Could that be it?

Kind of my assumption however 4 oz at the end of the boil and 6 oz dry is nothing compared to what a lot of people use. Are you referring to the hops at the end of the boil?


I don't brew NEIPAs (as of yet), but that level of late and dry hopping isn't out of line with my hopping and I don't get medicinal character from an 8 oz hop stand and 5 oz dry (or more on each). So I don't think it's the hopping in and of itself. Not being a NEIPA brewer, I don't know the interplay between the higher levels of oats and other ingredients including higher CaCl2 levels. 1056/001/05 should be no factor. Any chance of infection? Medicinal fits there.


Edit -  Or maybe it's a different beer in a week as it sits and mellows/comes together. Be sure to post how it comes out. Sorry not to be more help.

Thanks Jon. Going in the keg next week so maybe so time will help. I have noticed this character in some real neipa examples which is what originally worried me.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: medicinal bite
« on: October 21, 2017, 09:28:07 PM »
Many people have noted harsh, unpleasant polyphenols from the high late hopping in NEIPA.  Could that be it?

Kind of my assumption however 4 oz at the end of the boil and 6 oz dry is nothing compared to what a lot of people use. Are you referring to the hops at the end of the boil?

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General Homebrew Discussion / medicinal bite - astringency?
« on: October 21, 2017, 08:08:28 PM »
First off, I realize this is missing a lot of components to be a NEIPA so let's go with 'hazy IPA'. I am getting this sort of medicinal hop bite at the back of my mouth. I have gotten this is in a lot of NEIPAs which is why I have been a bit leery of the substyle that this is influenced by. It's kind of like a combination of hop bitterness, citrus pith, and aspirin that just sits on the palate and almost burns. Is it possibly related to my water profile in combination with a reasonably low FG/yeast choice? Maybe because of a considerable bittering charge when a lot rely mostly on all late hops?

61% Pilsner
21% Wheat
16% flaked oats
2% caramunich III

30 g Nugget 60 min
56 g Equinox 2 min
56 g Cascade 2 min

28 g Equinox Dry Hop day 3
28 g Simcoe Dry Hop day 3
28 g Amarillo Dry Hop day 3

28 g Equinox Dry Hop day 7
28 g Simcoe Dry Hop day 7
28 g Amarillo Dry Hop day 7

Water:
Ca - 87
Mg - 6
Na - 25
SO4 - 50
Cl -150
mash pH = 5.4

OG 1.056
FG 1.009
56 IBU
US05 yeast

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: FG too low?
« on: October 21, 2017, 04:25:46 PM »
Thanks. I just have issues with bigger beers apparently. I either get a lot more or a lot less attenuation than expected. I normally get near 80% with S-189 but I guess the longer mash did its job.

This is supposed to be a giveaway Christmas beer which is the main reason for my concern. Last years version was over carbonated which was really disappointing because I didn’t realize until after giving them away.

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