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Commercial Beer Reviews / Re: Paulaner Original Munich (Helles)
« on: August 16, 2015, 10:38:58 AM »
I didn't think of Kölsch malt. I haven't used it, but from the descriptions I've heard that may be the closest. I had thought of something like Biscuit or Victory to try to replicate that breadiness, but that always bugged me because I'm pretty sure that's not how Paulaner does it.

Anyone have any idea what yeast strain they use for their lagers?

Right, I stand correct.  Sorry to perpetuate a common brewing myth.  I'm still curious about the original question: why does fermenting without continuous aeration proceed to high krausen faster?  Is a longer lag phase building cell walls and reservers still a valid hypothesis, which would lead to healthier (possibly more?) yeast?  Many people have conducted experiments that show a correlation between amount of oxygen added and yeast growth.
Just to clarify my earlier comment, I did not use a stir plate prior to the "Shaken, not stirred" method. I simply shook to aerate initially, then shook the starter every chance I could. Now I specifically target getting the initial shaking to the point where the starter is almost entirely foam, including dividing it into two separate vessels if needed to provide adequate headspace for the initial shake. I have no personal experience with a stirplate, so I cannot compare those two methods.

Beer Recipes / Re: sour IPA thoughts?
« on: August 16, 2015, 10:31:11 AM »
I have plans to try something like this, but at very low IBU's. My plan is to do a sour wort, then bring it up to 170F to pastuerize. Once it gets there I'll do a hop stand with a whole bunch of hops, much like I'd do with a normal hoppy beer. At that temp there will be minimal isomerization but you will get a lot of hop flavor and aroma. This way there is less of a clash between bitter and sour flavors.

I'm thinking you'd want to stick with fruity/citrus hops rather than pine/earth/herbal. Citra, Galaxy, Meridian, Motueka, Nelson, etc. would be the route I'd go.

Equipment and Software / Re: Thermometer probe length
« on: August 16, 2015, 10:22:33 AM »
It also helps to warm the whole thing up by letting it sit for a bit with with the hot water as a precursor to mashing in.
I'd rather just adjust my strike temp to account for the extra few degrees needed to heat up a room temp mash tun. One less step to forget when I'm still half asleep and trying to mash-in.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: It's Official
« on: August 16, 2015, 08:42:52 AM »
Plus, finding bottles should not EVER be the most complicated part of your homebrewing hobby.  If it is, you are doing it wrong. 
Yeah, that was my thought, too.
+2 - If I want beer, I buy beer. If I want bottles I buy bottles...

Ingredients / Re: When to Start Looking for Bulk Whole Hops 2015 Season?
« on: August 15, 2015, 07:02:48 PM »
Yeah, I have a comp coming up soon and I'd love to get 8 ounces or so of fresh, whole-cone hops from this year's harvest. I'll share if I find anything.

Ingredients / Re: Adding essential oils
« on: August 15, 2015, 07:00:20 PM »
I'd be more inclined to try citrus oil than pine oil for this type of application. Sure, a lot of the pine aroma compounds are similar to what are found in hops. What I'd be worried about are some of the other tar/pitch type compounds.

I like your idea of adding it to late primary. This gives the yeast a chance to potentially metabolize some of the compounds to add some complexity.

Let us know how it turns out if you try it. I have some pure compounds that I've been meaning to try this with myself (linalool, geraniol, alpha- and beta-pinene, citronellol, etc).

In my experience WLP002/WY1968 works the same as any other yeast for bottle conditioning. Your usual process should yield your usual results.


So if I were to cold crash a starter at high Krausen would that be a reasonable option for those of us that get into scheduling problems as and have to make a starter several days in advance?

I've done this on my last 3 batches because I wanted to try the no-stir method but was afraid of timing things properly. (Instead of shaking I inject with 15 seconds of O2 then let it sit.)

I take them out of the fridge and decant then let them warm up for about 2 hours before pitching and I've had 3 very short lag times each time. (3 of the shortest I've ever had.)

Going to get rid of my stir plate for sure.

Just curious, why not do both?  Initial aeration is always a good idea, but from what people who have DO meters have said, it dissipates very quickly.

My starters seem to be reaching high krausen in 5 to 7 hours so it seems like they don't need anything more than the initial 15 seconds of pure O2. I admit I could be wrong and extra shaking could be worthwhile.
My guess is that the yeast are grabbing what they need rather quickly and taking off, making the extra aeration unnecessary. My starters have been noticeably more active and healthy since starting to use the "shaken, not stirred" method where you simply shake to a complete froth at the start, then just let your starter go. As a matter of fact, I think I need to start making my starters later than I used to, since they are reaching high krausen quite a bit earlier than my previous starters.

Beer Recipes / Re: Thoughts on a baltic porter
« on: August 14, 2015, 08:02:47 PM »
Just a thought. Baltic Porter is neither roasty or hoppy. You can use fair amount of dark Munich in there.

Agreed. When I think Baltic Porter, the first words to come to mind are "rich" and "balanced". I get a fair amount of roast out of something like Sinebrychoff (love that beer!), but the malty richness comes first and the roast is just there to balance it out.

To the OP, if you're looking for a dry strain, 34/70 is a good choice for this style.


Bigfoot is open fermented.

Speaking of Bigfoot, I need to get better at being able to squirrel away that beer.
It's tough. I find putting it in a case at the bottom and back of the pile works best.
When it comes out every year, I buy two 6-packs 4-packs. One immediately goes into the cellar, where it is doomed never to be opened because everything down there is just too precious for me to open once it gets a little age on it. My beer hoard seems to be a bit out of control nowadays.

Beer Recipes / Re: another saison
« on: August 14, 2015, 05:57:35 AM »
I just kind of threw the aromatic in there to provide some more complexity. I will probably take it out and put in some biscuit or something else. It works out to 4 oz.
Personally, I love a bit of Aromatic in my saisons. It's all personal preference - either way is fine.

I bought an O2 canister a few years back, used it on a few batches, then piled it away with the rest of the questionable brewing gear purchases. I have been known to break it out once or twice a year for the really big beers, but even then I'm not sure it makes a huge difference. I don't use pure O2 in my 18% melomels, and they turn out just fine. I'm not sure if you can draw an exact correlation to beer from that, but that makes me feel a bit more confident skipping the O2.

I brew smaller batches, so I probably overpitch when I use dry yeast. And for liquid yeast I'm typically either making a starter and pitching it at high krausen or brewing a style where underoxygenation isn't necessarily a bad thing (i.e., styles where I want a bit more flavor expression from the yeast). In other words, I'm not necessarily the type of brewer that would necessarily see a lot of the purported benefits of pure-O2.

Nowadays, most of my beer is poured through a series of mesh screens to filter out hop trub before it hits the fermenter. I'm pretty confident that this is giving me all the aeration I need.

I think the true folly here is entering into an argument on HBT. There is a reason why many of us choose this forum as our home base. The attitude is much different 'round these parts.

Commercial Beer Reviews / Re: Wheats fall from grace
« on: August 14, 2015, 05:28:42 AM »
moving back to the beer channel now- Hefe Wheaties????? What???
Leinenkugel Sunset Wheat is essentially liquid Fruity Pebbles, so this isn't too big of a jump. Certainly can't taste much worse...

Commercial Beer Reviews / Paulaner Original Munich (Helles)
« on: August 13, 2015, 09:23:26 PM »
There is a fairly new liquor store in my area that I recently discovered. They have a very solid craft beer selection, but it's not huge. There's no mix-a-six section collecting dust, everything is in the fridge. There may not be the hugest selection, but what they have is cold and fresh. I mention this because Paulaner Helles is a beer I'd never touch at the other bottle shops in my area, as it is typically stored warm and not likely to be turned over very quickly. So when I saw it in the fridge at Big Gary's, I snapped it right up.

This beer just hits all the marks for me. It has a wonderful rich, bready malt character to it. It is well attenuated, but not as bone dry as a pils. The carbonation level is also backed off a bit compared to other lagers. It isn't crisp and bone-dry, but that plays to the maltiness well, and it is still dangerously easy to put down in quantity.

What I really enjoy about it is the malt character. With most pilsners I get a malt character that reminds me of uncooked pasta. The Paulaner is different. It reminds me more of a french baguette. I would love to brew a beer with this same malt flavor, but I can't quite think of a grain that would get me there. If I had to guess, I'd wager that Paulaner has this malt made to spec and it's probably in between Pils and Vienna malt somewhere. I also wonder if yeast strain comes into play here. I can't think of a Paulaner beer that I haven't loved when I've had a good/fresh bottle of it.

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